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Sunderland Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

JamieDaCosta

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The ball he back heeled wasn't meant for him, if he dummied that it would have been a goal most likely as Lamela was wide open on the back post. But he had to be greedy and felt a back heel was a good shot there.

If anything I felt he should have just laid it off to whoever was in front of him running into the box for them to have a crack, I cant remember who it was?
 

bobbof

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Walkers face on the banner still cracks me up every time i open SC. Oh man, what a fantastic picture! He really is "special", isn't he? :ROFLMAO:
 

mark87

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Walkers face on the banner still cracks me up every time i open SC. Oh man, what a fantastic picture! He really is "special", isn't he? :ROFLMAO:

He looks like he's just stepped on a bit of Lego while being barefoot, inevitably though the piece of Lego is his.
 

parj

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Yawn, this is getting a bit boring now but anyway, I shall humour you

I dont know which games you watch but Soldado's movement is not good enough, he makes one, maybe two runs per game, he needs to be on the move constantly, not just randomly here and there, it is very easy to defend against him and the fact he doesnt work hard enough nor ruffle the defenders feathers enough makes it pointless even playing him

Paulinho has been supporting Defoe? No he hasn't, which games do you watch??? Holtby was supporting Defoe in both of the games, Paulinho was dropped into a slightly deeper role which is exactly where he SHOULD be playing and he made a few bursts from midfield, again, this is his strength

Defoe's missed chances and the first 20 minutes against Fulham.......in the first 20 minutes he did excellent to create space for himself and have a crack at goal, he also did superbly well to counter with the ball, hold it up, wait for Paulinho to make a run and set him up for a perfect chance which Paulinho should have buried, oh, and he also did something similar but with Lamela on the end of it, again, Lamela should have done better

Why didn't he score against Fulham or Sunderland, right......he had 1 one on one chance against Fulham which yes, he should have scored, he also had 1 one on one chance against Sunderland which, again, he should have scored

I am surprised he didn't but what can you do, even the best of strikers miss easy chances and one on ones

The other chances against Fulham were a backheel which he couldn't really do much more about and against Sunderland he hit the post with 2 half chances, one which was a class bit of skill to flick it toward goal which he was very unlucky with and the other a header which, again, he couldn't really do much more about

What about in all the games Soldado has played in, why has he not scored more, fuck me, he hasn't even made the runs or worked hard enough to get into the positions to score so actually getting the chances for himself would be a start (A few examples....a one on one against Man United, a VERY tame header against Newcastle straight into Kruls hands, a shot from just inside the area against Everton, he blazed it over, 1 excellent cross from Eriksen into the 6 yard box against Newcastle, he was no where to be seen, again, a perfect cross against Man City which went right across goal that eventually fell to Lamela although Soldado should have been attacking the 6 yard box in the first place and if he had done so, he would have scored)

You say he needs service, well yeah, of course, but he needs to move his ass more and work 100 times harder, if he does that and makes more than a couple of runs a game I can assure you he will get the service because he will be making angles for the players to pass the ball into and work off of him

We are just going to go round in circles. Let's agree to disagree. But it would be interesting what you have to say when Defoe stats are worse than soldado after same number of games.
 

JamieDaCosta

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We are just going to go round in circles. Let's agree to disagree. But it would be interesting what you have to say when Defoe stats are worse than soldado after same number of games.

Dude, its not just about the stats, its their overall contribution in terms of work rate, runs and hassling the defence, it all goes hand in hand and if Bobby had worked harder in general I can bet his stats would look a damn sight better
 
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jezz

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Strikers should be judged on goals.
No point in running around a bit if you dont score.
And that goes for both of them.
JD has got his chance.
He doesn't score then he shouldn't play.
Same for soldado.
 

nidge

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Strikers should be judged on goals.
No point in running around a bit if you dont score.
And that goes for both of them.
JD has got his chance.
He doesn't score then he shouldn't play.
Same for soldado.

Just because I am little bored I have checked. (League only.)

Soldado has started 12 games (1 sub appearance) or 1012 minutes and has 4 goals and 2 assists.

Defoe has started 3 games (8 sub appearances) or 416 minutes and has 0 goals and assists.
 

JamieDaCosta

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Strikers should be judged on goals.
No point in running around a bit if you dont score.
And that goes for both of them.
JD has got his chance.
He doesn't score then he shouldn't play.
Same for soldado.

Starting 2 games in a row isn't enough time to judge the guy, as Alan Shearer always says, if he wasn't getting the chances (Soldado) then its a major concern

Defoe IS getting chances so there is no problem there, however, only 2 of the chances have been clear cut in the 2 games he has played both of which, admittedly, he should have scored

On another day he would have and with a proper run in the team you will see him start to bury those chances

Soldado got given 12 games to prove himself (which he has failed big time in doing so thus being dropped) so Defoe should be afforded the same, at LEAST

Amen
 

Bus-Conductor

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Starting 2 games in a row isn't enough time to judge the guy, as Alan Shearer always says, if he wasn't getting the chances (Soldado) then its a major concern

Defoe IS getting chances so there is no problem there, however, only 2 of the chances have been clear cut in the 2 games he has played both of which, admittedly, he should have scored

On another day he would have and with a proper run in the team you will see him start to bury those chances

Soldado got given 12 games to prove himself (which he has failed big time in doing so thus being dropped) so Defoe should be afforded the same, at LEAST

Amen


He also got put clean through against West Ham and failed to score. Score was 0-0 at the time.

Massive difference being Defoe has had about 270 games for us to prove he's good enough. Since 2001 he's only managed to score more than 11 goals in a season twice. 13 in 2004-5 and 18 in 2009-10. For a player who gives a team absolutely fuck all else that really isn't good enough for a team trying to be in the top 4 consistently.
 

beats1

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He also got put clean through against West Ham and failed to score. Score was 0-0 at the time.

Massive difference being Defoe has had about 270 games for us to prove he's good enough. Since 2001 he's only managed to score more than 11 goals in a season twice. 13 in 2004-5 and 18 in 2009-10. For a player who gives a team absolutely fuck all else that really isn't good enough for a team trying to be in the top 4 consistently.
Starting 2 games in a row isn't enough time to judge the guy, as Alan Shearer always says, if he wasn't getting the chances (Soldado) then its a major concern

Defoe IS getting chances so there is no problem there, however, only 2 of the chances have been clear cut in the 2 games he has played both of which, admittedly, he should have scored

On another day he would have and with a proper run in the team you will see him start to bury those chances

Soldado got given 12 games to prove himself (which he has failed big time in doing so thus being dropped) so Defoe should be afforded the same, at LEAST

Amen
Not only that the fucking team werent getting the ball in to the box until after city drubbing, if you cant see we changed the way midfield plays after that game then you need to give up now
 

parj

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Dude, its not just about the stats, its their overall contribution in terms of work rate, runs and hassling the defence, it all goes hand in hand and if Bobby had worked harder in general I can bet his stats would look a damn sight better

But it is about stats. What's the point in a striker that has no goals or assists? Might as well play with no striker and have more creativity.

Defoe, according to some, is working hard but his stats are not getting better.
 

JamieDaCosta

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He also got put clean through against West Ham and failed to score. Score was 0-0 at the time.

Massive difference being Defoe has had about 270 games for us to prove he's good enough. Since 2001 he's only managed to score more than 11 goals in a season twice. 13 in 2004-5 and 18 in 2009-10. For a player who gives a team absolutely fuck all else that really isn't good enough for a team trying to be in the top 4 consistently.

He should have scored that but it was just an off day for everyone, loads of players miss chances, even the best in the world

If you think Defoe is giving fuck all else to the team then god help Bobby S!
 

BorisTM

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I don't give a monkey's...Sunderland have been better under Poyet just because they were handicapped with that plank Di Canio for most of their games don't take the credit away from us. They just pushed Chelsea to the limit.

We should of won about 5-1. That;s what the fans want to see, creating clear cut chances....do that consistently and a steady flow of goals will come.

I'm delighted.

Are you still delighted after the loss from Liverpool?
 

ItsBoris

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Utterly embarrassing. Unlike City, this Liverpool team isn't even that good. Missing Gerrard and Sturridge for one thing.
 
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