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Sunderland Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Gaz_Gammon

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The "that my friend [sic]" bullshit is getting annoying. It isn't making you sound more intelligent, you know? Especially with the missing punctuation. Remember, you don't even know the meaning of the word "irony".


Now we have someone on here from the thought Police, worried shitless about using correct punctuation, the post was punctuated enough for you to understand and respond was it not?

Oh, and the "irony" is that you think i give shit what you say.
 
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jezz

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This had 11 agrees and one disagree .. funny reading through the match thread the day after, shows how WRONG and pathetic all the armchair managers are really lol.
Little unfair, we scrapped past a awful Sunderland.
The first half was really slow and rubbish.
Second half for 20 minutes we played well because they went behind and opened up to try and get a goal back.
If you think that kind of performance will beat a better team, we wont.
Great 3 points, every team needs a bit of luck sometimes.
Dont be complacement, better teams lie in wait.
 

Nocando

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The "that my friend [sic]" bullshit is getting annoying. It isn't making you sound more intelligent, you know? Especially with the missing punctuation. Remember, you don't even know the meaning of the word "irony".

Were the 'you know' and question mark ironic? ;-)
 

cheeseman

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Now we have someone on here from the thought Police, worried shitless about using correct punctuation, the post was punctuated enough for you to understand and respond was it not?

Oh, and the "irony" is that you think i give shit what you say.

LMAO!!! That's still not irony. D'oh!!!
 

beats1

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If dembele can play like that every game we'd be winning every week. Totally unplayable yesterday!
I doubt he will be able to since he has been carrying that hip injury for over a year now. Our medical team is starting to look like a joke
 

JamieDaCosta

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This here is what the soldado haters don't understand. We sign player who scored 95% of his goals inside box so we stop crossing the ball. All of sudden we start doing that but defoe is on the pitch. Its amazing how much better a striker looks when he has service.

Horses for courses my friend, horses for courses, the ball was played into those positions because the forward worked hard to make the run or create the space, there's no point playing those types of balls into the box if the striker doesnt allow himself to be a target/no one is in there or get the move going in the first place
 

JamieDaCosta

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It's also the case that Defoe has been hopelessly isolated in earlier matches, for same reason as Soldado - we have been playing the ball forward so sluggishly that we never deliver any crosses or through balls for either of them to attack. Defoe played well today, but that was partly because he benefited, after the first turgid half-hour, from Lennon, Holtby, Walker and others getting the ball through and behind the defence for the first time in ... well ... months.



It wasn't obvious at full speed, but the defender (was it Ki?) got a toe on it. Defoe was in line with where the ball was headed until it was deflected.


The thing is, he has only played 3 league matches (and only 2 in succession), 1 was against West Ham when the whole team was awful anyway and the last 2 when we have been a little bit better, where as Soldado has played a lot more both in general and in succession

Oh and Match of the Day being Match of the Day, I didnt get to see that chance again as they didn't even show it but I never realised that at the time, that pretty much explains why he was rooted then as he obviously thought the ball was going to him until the very last second
 

parj

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Horses for courses my friend, horses for courses, the ball was played into those positions because the forward worked hard to make the run or create the space, there's no point playing those types of balls into the box if the striker doesnt allow himself to be a target/no one is in there or get the move going in the first place

There was plenty of movement from Soldado , but given the instructions were clear that wingers need to keep shooting (Townsend and Sigurdsson prime examples) the service was never provided by our wingers. In later games he has just waited for Walker or Vertonghen to get forward and then he made his runs.

Paulinho has been supporting Defoe in both his last games. If Defoe is that good, why didnt he score against Fulham or Sunderland? He had more than enough chances to miss. If that was Soldado, all the Soldado haters would be saying he is a waste of money, but its ok when its Defoe. The first 20 mins against Fulham, he did a "Soldado" but then AVB swaps the wingers to their correct wings and he plays better. This is no coincidence my friend. you need to see when he does nothing and when he does something.

Soldado has always been given nothing to work with at Spurs and its clear from media and some fans that its the tottenham tactics. We play it slow, we play it sideways...there are plenty on this forum that say so. If you play it that slow, nobody is going to make runs because of that offside rule. He's a box player, he needs service.
 

JamieDaCosta

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There was plenty of movement from Soldado , but given the instructions were clear that wingers need to keep shooting (Townsend and Sigurdsson prime examples) the service was never provided by our wingers. In later games he has just waited for Walker or Vertonghen to get forward and then he made his runs.

Paulinho has been supporting Defoe in both his last games. If Defoe is that good, why didnt he score against Fulham or Sunderland? He had more than enough chances to miss. If that was Soldado, all the Soldado haters would be saying he is a waste of money, but its ok when its Defoe. The first 20 mins against Fulham, he did a "Soldado" but then AVB swaps the wingers to their correct wings and he plays better. This is no coincidence my friend. you need to see when he does nothing and when he does something.

Soldado has always been given nothing to work with at Spurs and its clear from media and some fans that its the tottenham tactics. We play it slow, we play it sideways...there are plenty on this forum that say so. If you play it that slow, nobody is going to make runs because of that offside rule. He's a box player, he needs service.

Yawn, this is getting a bit boring now but anyway, I shall humour you

I dont know which games you watch but Soldado's movement is not good enough, he makes one, maybe two runs per game, he needs to be on the move constantly, not just randomly here and there, it is very easy to defend against him and the fact he doesnt work hard enough nor ruffle the defenders feathers enough makes it pointless even playing him

Paulinho has been supporting Defoe? No he hasn't, which games do you watch??? Holtby was supporting Defoe in both of the games, Paulinho was dropped into a slightly deeper role which is exactly where he SHOULD be playing and he made a few bursts from midfield, again, this is his strength

Defoe's missed chances and the first 20 minutes against Fulham.......in the first 20 minutes he did excellent to create space for himself and have a crack at goal, he also did superbly well to counter with the ball, hold it up, wait for Paulinho to make a run and set him up for a perfect chance which Paulinho should have buried, oh, and he also did something similar but with Lamela on the end of it, again, Lamela should have done better

Why didn't he score against Fulham or Sunderland, right......he had 1 one on one chance against Fulham which yes, he should have scored, he also had 1 one on one chance against Sunderland which, again, he should have scored

I am surprised he didn't but what can you do, even the best of strikers miss easy chances and one on ones

The other chances against Fulham were a backheel which he couldn't really do much more about and against Sunderland he hit the post with 2 half chances, one which was a class bit of skill to flick it toward goal which he was very unlucky with and the other a header which, again, he couldn't really do much more about

What about in all the games Soldado has played in, why has he not scored more, fuck me, he hasn't even made the runs or worked hard enough to get into the positions to score so actually getting the chances for himself would be a start (A few examples....a one on one against Man United, a VERY tame header against Newcastle straight into Kruls hands, a shot from just inside the area against Everton, he blazed it over, 1 excellent cross from Eriksen into the 6 yard box against Newcastle, he was no where to be seen, again, a perfect cross against Man City which went right across goal that eventually fell to Lamela although Soldado should have been attacking the 6 yard box in the first place and if he had done so, he would have scored)

You say he needs service, well yeah, of course, but he needs to move his ass more and work 100 times harder, if he does that and makes more than a couple of runs a game I can assure you he will get the service because he will be making angles for the players to pass the ball into and work off of him
 

SandroClegane

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Yawn, this is getting a bit boring now but anyway, I shall humour you

I dont know which games you watch but Soldado's movement is not good enough, he makes one, maybe two runs per game, he needs to be on the move constantly, not just randomly here and there, it is very easy to defend against him and the fact he doesnt work hard enough nor ruffle the defenders feathers enough makes it pointless even playing him

Paulinho has been supporting Defoe? No he hasn't, which games do you watch??? Holtby was supporting Defoe in both of the games, Paulinho was dropped into a slightly deeper role which is exactly where he SHOULD be playing and he made a few bursts from midfield, again, this is his strength

Defoe's missed chances and the first 20 minutes against Fulham.......in the first 20 minutes he did excellent to create space for himself and have a crack at goal, he also did superbly well to counter with the ball, hold it up, wait for Paulinho to make a run and set him up for a perfect chance which Paulinho should have buried, oh, and he also did something similar but with Lamela on the end of it, again, Lamela should have done better

Why didn't he score against Fulham or Sunderland, right......he had 1 one on one chance against Fulham which yes, he should have scored, he also had 1 one on one chance against Sunderland which, again, he should have scored

I am surprised he didn't but what can you do, even the best of strikers miss easy chances and one on ones

The other chances against Fulham were a backheel which he couldn't really do much more about and against Sunderland he hit the post with 2 half chances, one which was a class bit of skill to flick it toward goal which he was very unlucky with and the other a header which, again, he couldn't really do much more about

What about in all the games Soldado has played in, why has he not scored more, fuck me, he hasn't even made the runs or worked hard enough to get into the positions to score so actually getting the chances for himself would be a start (A few examples....a one on one against Man United, a VERY tame header against Newcastle straight into Kruls hands, a shot from just inside the area against Everton, he blazed it over, 1 excellent cross from Eriksen into the 6 yard box against Newcastle, he was no where to be seen, again, a perfect cross against Man City which went right across goal that eventually fell to Lamela although Soldado should have been attacking the 6 yard box in the first place and if he had done so, he would have scored)

You say he needs service, well yeah, of course, but he needs to move his ass more and work 100 times harder, if he does that and makes more than a couple of runs a game I can assure you he will get the service because he will be making angles for the players to pass the ball into and work off of him
The ball he back heeled wasn't meant for him, if he dummied that it would have been a goal most likely as Lamela was wide open on the back post. But he had to be greedy and felt a back heel was a good shot there.
 
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