Taarabt to be sold!

[sloth]

Well give some examples. What is this thought based on? Surely if it was that simple as a team adapting then someone would have done something about the way the English national side play, as during every International tournament it is pointed out how much more comfortable the continental and South American sides are on the ball. If the best players this country has to offer struggle to play the intricate, quick passing game we see the likes of Spain and Argentina playing, then what makes you think a coach can come along and do so at Spurs?

It seems that football history is littered with cases of good coaches going to new clubs and failing. Why do you think this is? They can't have just become bad coaches. Why did such a good coach as Wenger fail at Nancy? What happened at Monaco? He didn't go from being a Championship winning coach to an idiot in the space of a few seasons. The reason he gave was that they bought the wrong players. What happend to Hector Cuper. Took Valencia to 2 CL final twice in a row, but at inter and Mallorca he couldn't make the same impact. And most significantly what about Caparos. Took Sevilla from division 2, to 6th in La Liga, but when he got a "bigger" opportunity with Depor, things didn't work out.

The point is, good coaches can and very often do, fail to succeed with good groups of players. The key reason for this, is that it isn't just about having good players, but the right players, the players that suite the way a particular coach wants to play. Therefore the most important part of the Coach and Director of Football relationship surely has to be a shared appreciation of the same kind of players. Now when I look at the player we have in our squad and compare them to those in the Sevilla squad i see two very different groups. Hence, given the 3 years of team building we've undergone since 2004 and the fact we have been 5th twice, i see him as an odd appointment. I think for Ramos to succeed he has to be given the opportuinty to bring in a number of new players, which is against the whole point of our structure.

Okay, although my point is a more general one about life, descriptions of life and the differences therein. I think you argue a good case but lose sight of the difference between the argument you construct and the reality about which you construct it.

In other words you make a good case but along the way their are too many ifs, buts and wherefores meaning it all ends with a definite maybe rather than a conclusive definitive.

I hope that makes sense? It's as if you looked back on your life and argued that your reached your current destination down a single line. In one sense you did, it's completely inevitable that you are who you are and if you drew a line through all the significant points it would indeed be singular, however into the future it branches in a myriad directions and in the past there's the ghost lines of all the decisions you didn't make or paths you didn't follow.

The situation at Spurs is far more complex than the simple line you try to draw linking the several dots.

 

[Stoof]

sell our best prospect. good move.

being 18 and being one of the most skillfull players in the squad

:-D

fucking spurs fans!!

Criticizing a player like Taarabt now is so ridiculous.

Criticism? Or showing that maybe in fact he's got a looooooooooooong way to go before he's anything close to a First Team player. It's countering the ridiculous statements above, nothing more.

 

[Bonjour]

Give him his own ball and he can come on to do he half time entertainment.

 

[Krafty]

Indeed, he has potential and is one of the brighter prospects we have. Obviously if we never play him then he will never become good enough to become a first team regular, and that has been our problem a lot of the time. We dont seem to nurture talent properly. The last one was probably ledders, and he got game time because of the injury to Mabs and judas' antics.

We need to give these players time, if not here then definately on loan at a strong championship club, otherwise why have we got them if they are never going to make the grade?

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I think the fact that he isn't really a winger at all has been lost on some people. I doubt Ramos would play him on the wing, he is more likely to get a game up front (number 10) where he should develop into a good player.

However, like I have already he said before he needs to put the effort in and prove his worth to Ramos (like every other player in the squad). If he does I expect he will be given a chance. Who would have thought Troy Archibald-Henville would be in the squad? He obviously worked hard and impressed Ramos. It can't be said that Ramos won't try players, he alreaady has. So if a player such as Taarabt wants to get a game, he has to show he is working and trying to improve.

 

[Darrkespur]

I think Taraabt has the potential to be a new cristiano ronaldo but at the moment his attitude to the game makes me think of another player, who had a cameo at spurs. With his talented dribbling but selfish style of play and general arrogance, I wouldn't be surprised if Adel ends up as the next Stephane Dalmat.

Of course as a promising young player I'd like to be wrong and that he'd mature and become an excellent team player but current evidence isn't leaning that way.

 

[karsten_finkle]

I love Adol Traaabata. He is probably Spurs best player. Adlo Trabatar has all the tricks. I love it when Tabbatra does a run with the ball then shoots 30 yards wide. I also love it when Abdul Tarrarrababbabatata goes like he's going to pass it but beats 3 players before running into another one and giving possession away. Abede Torro-Battyboy reminds me of Paul Gasscoyne. I love A Dull Taaaaabrt so much I'm going to get his name, Adolf Treebeard, on the back of my jersey.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

 

[Capocrimini]

"Adolf Treebeard" That was the funniest post on here in a while!

 

[sloth]

I agree with the VoiceOfReason, there's no need whatsoever to be analysing the kid or his attitude yet, he's 17 with a lot to learn, but he's a decent prospect.

SS, what's this about?

"I wouldn't assert that Taarabt would not fit into a Ramos side, but from what I've seen of Sevilla JR's checklist for players that float his boat probably doesn't include boxes for fannying about and wanting your own personal ball." (classic you btw, getting the disclaimer in first and then going on to insinuate exactly what you've denied, lol).

And this...

"is he going to put those gifts at the team's service? Taarabt or Bale? Which is the Ramos player?"

On what basis are you passing these comments and asking these questions?

 

[SpurSince57]

Just going on the little I've seen on him, which, apart from those who regularly get to the ressies, is probably as much as most on SC have. So, no, I'm not in a position to say whether he will or will not figure in JR's future plans. It's pretty obvious why he may not figure in the immediate ones, though. Where's the contradiction?

Bale slotted straight in and despite his inexperience has been a very valuable addition to the first team squad. Taarabt hasn't had a place on the reserves bench, let alone started a game, for ten weeks. I'd say that's a pretty sound basis for asking questions. Jol said he thought Taarabt was one of the most talented footballers he'd seen. In spite of that, he barely used him. One can only speculate as to why this was so.

 

[tartanspur100]

Really is some right fickle people among us.

There are little more than rumours and people jump on the kids back, and turn against him.

Besides, i believe he was away on international duty until last midweek, which would explain his absence from the squad.

 

[Mornstar]

Good work for whomever have just troll rated me for saying young Adel is a twat.

What happened to freedom of speech?

tell me about it. Same thing happenend to me a few days when I called a few of the gals (ok, all of them) mingers.

 

[striebs]

....With his talented dribbling but selfish style of play and general arrogance, I wouldn't be surprised if Adel ends up as the next Stephane Dalmat.
....
Of course as a promising young player I'd like to be wrong and that he'd mature and become an excellent team player but current evidence isn't leaning that way.

I am not optimistic that Adel will become the class of Dalmat .
Would suggest shifting him out on loan to Bolton for a bit of accelerated growing up but he's not going to help them in a relegation scrap .

Don't panic. Ramos clearly feels that Spurs have been too casual in their approach play. Last night every pass was made noticeably quicker. ....The way Kaboul was 're-focused' recently is an indication of the way he operates. What were you all like at 17 / 18 when told to wait. Tabaart will be ok at Spurs because by Xmas will be clearing some of the deadwood and he will get his chance.

Looking to match Pompey's fast passing game in 12 months time should be a realistic target .

Think we would need a better set of players to match Arsenal's fast passing game .


It is encouraging if Ramos and Poyet have actually managed to get it into Kaboule's head that he needs to be focussed and remain disciplined . Jol and Hughton must have been doing their nut .

Take your point about Tarabt being 17/18 , guess this is one of the risks inherent on buying ones for the future rather than the finished article .

 

[chinaman]

I do not think Taarabt can become the next C. Ronaldo as someone said earlier. He doesn't have the pace. If he ever becomes good or great, he'll be the first Taarabt instead of a second Ronaldo.

 

[worcestersauce]

I feel for the boy a little bit, for one thing he is easily a first team player - in a French team.

Secondly a few people are comparing him to Gareth Bale which is unfair, Bale is exceptional, he really could be one of the greats.

 

[SpurSince57]

Really is some right fickle people among us.

There are little more than rumours and people jump on the kids back, and turn against him.

Besides, i believe he was away on international duty until last midweek, which would explain his absence from the squad.

This has been stated already. It hardly explains a ten-week absence.

Pointing out that he's a long way short of being the finished article despite having abundant natural talents is hardly being fickle. It's being realistic. BOF's last reserves report was highly critical of his contribution (or lack of) and he was roundly slated by some.

Rumour this is, but since the thread was begun by a member who reported Taarabt's signing before anyone else suggests it shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

 

[Loque]

I happen to think he is a fantastic prospect. With a little discipline he'd go a long way. Put it this way - if he played for Barca or Real Madrid everyone'd be creaming over how skillful this player is. Having said that he really does need to put his head down and work hard to succeed at Spurs and in England. Facts are our team isn't good enough to carry passengers and work ethic is a great way of winning over English fans. Look at Freund - technically abysmal but full of heart! If he had Steffen Freund's grittyness he'd be a legend already. The talent's there for all to see.

That said it could just be the usual BS. :shrug:

 

[nuttynoah]

i'd like to see him on the bench in place of one of the usual 2 strikers, gives better cover, on sun he could have replaced the injured malb

 

[yanno]

The bottom line with both Huddlestone and Taarabt is that if Ramos doesn't think they have a first team role at present and they won't be getting much match time at Spurs, they should both be loaned to clubs playing at a decent level where they can be guaranteed first-team football. Given their obvious natural ability, and the fact that we don't need the cash, both are much too young for us to throw the towel in and sell them.

PS if it's true that Ramos wants to sell Taarabt, Comolli must be pretty darn unhappy... mg:

 

[SpurSince57]

And Spursking will be distraught. God only knows what he'll do if Ramos decides Zokora is surplus to requirements.