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Nebby

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Bit extreme. If he stays beyond the European window, then there's a good chance he'll start eventually. Injuries, rotation, change of formation etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Toby to stay as he's quality. Just got a feeling that he'll be gone and will only start / play in emergencies. Would love to be wrong.
 

Nebby

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With our poor defensive showing on Saturday we could easily start Toby at the back. I think we needed a reason to start him seeing as he needs to earn his spot back. I just wasn't expecting it so soon but we looked poor at the back against Newcastle so a good reason to get him back in now.

If you play 3 at the back you only really need 1 central midfielder to sit in front. That frees up a spot for another creative midfielder.

Agreed. We looked very at odds.

Also, very noticeable how Dembele turned the tide when he came on. Amazing what happens when you have someone in midfield that doesn't give the ball way and retains possession (often on his own) relieves pressure off the back four.
 

Locotoro

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With our poor defensive showing on Saturday we could easily start Toby at the back. I think we needed a reason to start him seeing as he needs to earn his spot back. I just wasn't expecting it so soon but we looked poor at the back against Newcastle so a good reason to get him back in now.

If you play 3 at the back you only really need 1 central midfielder to sit in front. That frees up a spot for another creative midfielder.

Not sure you need any CM to sit defensively in front of a back 3 as it becomes a but redundant with the extra man. But if you mean sit creatively and dictate play (aka carrick) then sure. Dier especially struggles in front of a 3 as he has no space to drop into between the CBs

For us we don't have that type of player (winks maybe) that can play the role so I'd rather see Eriksen and Dembele in the middle with Kane Alli and Lucas ahead
 

coys200

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The problem with that, mate, is Trippier at FB. He'll get slammed by our supporters because, well, he's just not the best FB.

However, as he showed at the World Cup, give him the licence to get up the pitch & utilise his, quite frankly, world class delivery.

I honestly don't see or understand why we wouldn't do all we can to ensure he is played to his strengths. We'll only benefit from it in the long run, in my opinion.

If we do play 433 all season wouldn’t be surprised to see Trippier utilised on the right side of midfield 3. It’s really not a million miles from what he was doing for England. And would give us another nice option in midfield.
 

nicdic

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With our poor defensive showing on Saturday we could easily start Toby at the back. I think we needed a reason to start him seeing as he needs to earn his spot back. I just wasn't expecting it so soon but we looked poor at the back against Newcastle so a good reason to get him back in now.

If you play 3 at the back you only really need 1 central midfielder to sit in front. That frees up a spot for another creative midfielder.
Our issue was caused in the middle though with our inability to keep the ball.

We need to get Sissoko out of the middle of the park, and that will solve most of the defensive issues. A back 3 with Sissoko still there is not going to stop the issues.
 

hughy

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If we do play 433 all season wouldn’t be surprised to see Trippier utilised on the right side of midfield 3. It’s really not a million miles from what he was doing for England. And would give us another nice option in midfield.
Who plays at RB then? Both Aurier and KWP are attack-minded RB's, this would probably end up pushing Trippier in-field, and he'd be useless there. We'd have to play either Dier or Toby at RB for that to work.
 

mil1lion

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Our issue was caused in the middle though with our inability to keep the ball.

We need to get Sissoko out of the middle of the park, and that will solve most of the defensive issues. A back 3 with Sissoko still there is not going to stop the issues.
In part but I thought our biggest issue was down our right side. Actually Sissoko can do a job there to help when there's an overload on that side (something Lennon did well) but KWP would be more ideal. Aurier positionally is a big issue and when Moura goes drifting there's a big gap on that side. The reason I like the back 3 is because you have a natural wide play (trippier) rather than an infield one (Moura/Lamela). So the 3rd centre back (Toby) covers across on that side when we're caught with the front man forward and we still have 2 centre backs.
 
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mil1lion

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Not sure you need any CM to sit defensively in front of a back 3 as it becomes a but redundant with the extra man. But if you mean sit creatively and dictate play (aka carrick) then sure. Dier especially struggles in front of a 3 as he has no space to drop into between the CBs

For us we don't have that type of player (winks maybe) that can play the role so I'd rather see Eriksen and Dembele in the middle with Kane Alli and Lucas ahead
Yeah I think more from a positional point of view we only really need one in the middle rather than 2 (like Dier and Dembele). They wouldn't need to drop deep particularly when playing a high line. Winks could be a good shout for that role, he looked good there in Madrid. It's still important the other 2 central midfielders tuck in when defending but with Dier/Wanyama and 3 centre backs in behind we look very solid. We did great in the Champions League with that system too.
 

nicdic

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In part but I thought our biggest issue was down our right side. Actually Sissoko can do a job there to help when there's an overload on that side (something Lennon did well) but KWP would be more ideal. Aurier positionally is a big issue and when Moura goes drifting there's a big gap on that side. The reason I like the back 3 is because you have a natural wide play (trippier) rather than an infield one (Moura/Lamela). So the 3rd centre back (Toby) covers across on that side when we're caught with the front man forward and we still have 2 centre backs.
The overloads on the right were also in part due to poor cover from Sissoko, and moreso our inability to keep the ball. No surprise that Poch's change to steady things was Dembele into the middle and not a shift to a back three.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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If we do play 433 all season wouldn’t be surprised to see Trippier utilised on the right side of midfield 3. It’s really not a million miles from what he was doing for England. And would give us another nice option in midfield.


Although I see the reasoning behind your thinking, and agree with you, to an extent, that would almost certainly mean Aurier plays at RB & that's just downright scary.
 

Yid

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Fulham play open attacking football, and we answer in kind, to set the tone for home/Wembley matches. Full on attack mode ladies and gents:

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Yid-ol

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Fulham play open attacking football, and we answer in kind, to set the tone for home/Wembley matches. Full on attack mode ladies and gents:

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Why not go full attack

Lloris


Trippier............. Dier Onomah...........Rose
Moura Alli Sissoko Eriksen Lamela
Kane
Lloris to play the sweeker keeper rolse, and dier can drop back if needed....sorted!
 

SugarRay

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Kane will get fitter with games, there's no other better way.

I also fill Kane needs to up his overall fitness and dear i say lose a touch of muscle.

It works for some, Ronaldo and Bale for example, but maybe Kane could do with dropping 2/3lb maybe?
 

Lighty64

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He may have looked a bit off the pace at the world cup although there's a lot more to it than fitness. The humidity, the long travelling across the largest country in the world, the nervous energy of being at the world cup. He didn't look any more leggy than a lot of the England players particularly as the tournament went on. It just annoys me that everytime he doesn't play a blinder it's because he's worn out. It's nonsense. Besides he is well rested now and if you think he needs more than 3 weeks to recover than I guess you're not very clued up on physical fitness.

I wouldn't go that far as well rested, his other half has just dropped their 2nd, 1 is most probably just started teething, the other is screaming for her milk at all hours during the night. the poor sod (now on 200k a week) then has to attend double training.

I'm only expecting 40 goals from him this season, and hope avoids injury
 

mil1lion

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I wouldn't go that far as well rested, his other half has just dropped their 2nd, 1 is most probably just started teething, the other is screaming for her milk at all hours during the night. the poor sod (now on 200k a week) then has to attend double training.

I'm only expecting 40 goals from him this season, and hope avoids injury
He'll be fine. I think a lot of the concern over Kane is in a lot of peoples heads. He'll need games early on just like the others. He didn't show any signs of issues when he had his first kid and his comments about his 2nd suggest there wont be much sleepless nights ahead.

I do think he just needs to judge better when to chase a lost cause and when to pace himself better though. He doesn't need to chase everything. I think it's one of Messi's greatest strengths, that he strolls around at times to reserve energy so that when he gets the ball he can go 100% with it. Kane just needs to pick the right moments to use his energy.

Hopefully the THS will be less draining than Wembley as well (when we finally move in). He will need to be rested on occassion during the season, just not now in my opinion. We definitely need to rotate in September when the CL starts and the fixtures build up. Son will be back then though so he can rotate a bit with Kane and Moura rotates with Son. that should help keep them all fresh.
 
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