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[Lufti]

Really, where has it come from that Lewis is anywhere close to Eriksen? Holtby was poor for us last season and a decent showing against Tblisi hasn't changed things overnight.

What evidence is there that Eriksen is better than Holtby?! He's played in a very weak league, whereas Holtby has played in what is the second strongest league in terms of overall quality in Europe if not the world. Don't get me wrong, I think Eriksen is a very good player but how can you that he's definitively better than Holtby?

And please don't use the CL reference.

 

[Kendall]

What evidence is there that Eriksen is better than Holtby?! He's played in a very weak league, whereas Holtby has played in what is the second strongest league in terms of overall quality in Europe if not the world. Don't get me wrong, I think Eriksen is a very good player but how can you that he's definitively better than Holtby?

And please don't use the CL reference.

OK I won't use the league he played most of his football in, the highest level club competition in the world or internationals as reference.

Wait, wut?

 

[Flatters]

You want creativity?​

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Lloris

Walker Chiricheș Vertonghen Rose

Holtby Sigurðsson

Lennon Eriksen Lamela

Soldado​

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Subs: Friedel, Kaboul, Naughton, Paulinho, Townsend, Chadli, Adebayor.​

 

[talkshowhost86]

Eriksen has shined in the best of all, the Champions League. Making City look like a bunch of mugs wasn't a bad way to demonstrate your class on the grandest of stages.

One game does not prove anything though, and as has already been said Holtby has had his fair share of experience in the Champions League and against last season's two Champions League finalists.

I think basically both are starting from scratch this season. Will be interesting to see who comes out on top or if we can accommodate both into the side.

 

[Mr Pink]

One game does not prove anything though, and as has already been said Holtby has had his fair share of experience in the Champions League and against last season's two Champions League finalists.

I think basically both are starting from scratch this season. Will be interesting to see who comes out on top or if we can accommodate both into the side.

One game? It was two actually! But I was just using that tie as an example, because it was a sparkling performance against the Champions of England. The guy is incredibly experienced for his age. Looking at the number of caps he has for his national side is testament to that. He has 38 appearances already for the Danish team. That's extremely impressive for a 21 year old.

Anyhoo, pleased to have both - and I'll be gutted if at least one of them doesn't start on Saturday.

 

[Lufti]

OK I won't use the league he played most of his football in, the highest level club competition in the world or internationals as reference.

Wait, wut?

Good, because those would all be stupid things to compare them by. Holtby can't get into the senior Germany team because of how good it is, and likewise neither would Eriksen if he were German. But given Denmark are hardly a European footballing superpower Eriksen can easily get into their team, and I have no doubt Holtby would to if he were Danish. You could compare them at u21 international level but again, the gap in quality between Denmark and Germany is large and Holtby has played a lot more games at that level.

Comparing them from their times in the Bundesliga and Eredivisie would also be pretty dumb considering in Holland there are three relatively strong teams (and that's a stretch) where as the Bundesliga is, as I said before, probably the 2nd best league in the world in terms of overall quality. Add on top of that the fact that Eriksen is playing for the strongest team in Holland.

Comparing them via champions league would also be strange as Holtby has been on loan at Mainz and so has only been able to feature in the champions league once, and it was a good campaign from him too as Schalke were unbeaten during his time playing for them in a group which included Arsenal and a tricky away trip to Olympiakos. Eriksen has been able to play in the champions league for the last 3 years though as he has been playing for the strongest team in Holland.

If you must compare them, then last year's Champions League is probably the best basis despite the fact Ajax had a tougher group, but then Holtby was pivotal in helping his team out the group where as Eriksen was unable to help his team into the last 16 so your point still doesn't really have legs. Still, as I say, it's stupid to compare them as they've both experienced completely different levels of competition, and it'd only be fair to do so after this year. Even then, why is it so important to say one player is better than the other? No doubt you were one of those kids who used to say 'my Dad can beat your Dad up'.

 

[Kendall]

Good, because those would all be stupid things to compare them by. Holtby can't get into the senior Germany team because of how good it is, and likewise neither would Eriksen if he were German. But given Denmark are hardly a European footballing superpower Eriksen can easily get into their team, and I have no doubt Holtby would to if he were Danish. You could compare them at u21 international level but again, the gap in quality between Denmark and Germany is large and Holtby has played a lot more games at that level.

Comparing them from their times in the Bundesliga and Eredivisie would also be pretty dumb considering in Holland there are three relatively strong teams (and that's a stretch) where as the Bundesliga is, as I said before, probably the 2nd best league in the world in terms of overall quality. Add on top of that the fact that Eriksen is playing for the strongest team in Holland.

Comparing them via champions league would also be strange as Holtby has been on loan at Mainz and so has only been able to feature in the champions league once, and it was a good campaign from him too as Schalke were unbeaten during his time playing for them in a group which included Arsenal and a tricky away trip to Olympiakos. Eriksen has been able to play champions league for the last 3 years though as he has been playing for the strongest team in Holland.

If you must compare them, then last years Champions League is probably the best basis despite the fact Ajax had a tougher group, but then Holtby was pivotal in helping his team out the group where as Eriksen was unable to help his team into the last 16. Still, as I say, it's stupid to compare them as they've both experienced completely different levels of competition, and it'd only be fair to do so after this year. Even then, why is it so important to say one player is better than the other? You were definitely one of those kids who used to say 'my Dad can beat your Dad up'.

Sweet, lets not compare at all then.

Not taking into account the dutch league, champions league or internationals, I'm wondering why we even bothered to sign him considering he's hardly played any football?

 

[TaoistMonkey]

You want creativity?​

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Lloris​

Walker Chiricheș Vertonghen Rose​

Holtby Sigurðsson​

Lennon Eriksen Lamela​

Soldado​

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Subs: Friedel, Kaboul, Naughton, Paulinho, Townsend, Chadli, Adebayor.​

Sexual.




















*not the team. Flatters posting again. Nah J/K. That team is immense.

 

[Lufti]

Sweet, lets not compare at all then.

Not taking into account the dutch league, champions league or internationals, I'm wondering why we even bothered to sign him considering he's hardly played any football?

Now you're getting there.

 

[Bobbins]

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Potentially, it has yet to be proven.

Well, they're yet to be proven as a group working together, or playing for us, yes. But as individuals they have more than proven themselves in their respective leagues, each player being one of their former clubs best, most creative, and most important players.

I see no reason to assume that any of them will suddenly be unable to play creative football just because they've signed to us. Indeed Holtby, who has played for us pretty much only when unfit or with no prep, has already shown that he could be a future star for us, with his touch, movement off the ball and willingness to try a clever pass or dummy.

 

[Mr Pink]

Good, because those would all be stupid things to compare them by. Holtby can't get into the senior Germany team because of how good it is, and likewise neither would Eriksen if he were German. But given Denmark are hardly a European footballing superpower Eriksen can easily get into their team, and I have no doubt Holtby would to if he were Danish. You could compare them at u21 international level but again, the gap in quality between Denmark and Germany is large and Holtby has played a lot more games at that level.

Comparing them from their times in the Bundesliga and Eredivisie would also be pretty dumb considering in Holland there are three relatively strong teams (and that's a stretch) where as the Bundesliga is, as I said before, probably the 2nd best league in the world in terms of overall quality. Add on top of that the fact that Eriksen is playing for the strongest team in Holland.

Comparing them via champions league would also be strange as Holtby has been on loan at Mainz and so has only been able to feature in the champions league once, and it was a good campaign from him too as Schalke were unbeaten during his time playing for them in a group which included Arsenal and a tricky away trip to Olympiakos. Eriksen has been able to play champions league for the last 3 years though as he has been playing for the strongest team in Holland.

If you must compare them, then last years Champions League is probably the best basis despite the fact Ajax had a tougher group, but then Holtby was pivotal in helping his team out the group where as Eriksen was unable to help his team into the last 16. Still, as I say, it's stupid to compare them as they've both experienced completely different levels of competition, and it'd only be fair to do so after this year. Even then, why is it so important to say one player is better than the other? You were definitely one of those kids who used to say 'my Dad can beat your Dad up'.

I think its just opinion at the end of the day, there is no definitive answer. What we do know though, as good Holtby is, is that he struggled last season and obviously we all hope he kicks on this season - and being played in his best position should certainly aid that. I like him as a player and I really do think he'll kick on this season.

Eriksen hasn't had half a season to settle either - so we need to bear that in mind, but my bet is he'll make a pretty quick impact.

 

[Kendall]

Now you're getting there.

Considering there was already a discussion on the merits of starting with Holtby OR Eriksen I find it weird you would wade in like this. The topic was based on teams people had chosen and the merit of either player vying for a single position so it is perfectly valid.

But since we can't take into account any football Eriksen has ever played (by your criteria) that has been made impossible.

Congratulations. I hope you're happy.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Considering there was already a discussion on the merits of starting with Holtby OR Eriksen I find it weird you would wade in like this. The topic was based on teams people had chosen and the merit of either player vying for a single position so it is perfectly valid.

But since we can't take into account any football Eriksen has ever played (by your criteria) that has been made impossible.

Congratulations. I hope you're happy.

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[playboypaul]

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[wishkah]

play them both play them both! play them all!

 

[Lufti]

Considering there was already a discussion on the merits of starting with Holtby OR Eriksen I find it weird you would wade in like this. The topic was based on teams people had chosen and the merit of either player vying for a single position so it is perfectly valid.

But since we can't take into account any football Eriksen has ever played (by your criteria) that has been made impossible.

Congratulations. I hope you're happy.

First of all, pick up your toys and put them back in your pram. Secondly, I didn't say you can't judge Eriksen as a player, I said it would be stupid to compare him to a player who hasn't played in any of the same competitions as him, with the exception of one Champions League campaign in which the two players were in contrasting groups.

Also, I'm not wading into the debate of whether Eriksen or Holtby should start, (where have I stated that either should start ahead of the other? My only previous posts in this thread have actually stated I'd like both to start, just for the reference), I'm commenting on this post by you:

Really, where has it come from that Lewis is anywhere close to Eriksen? Holtby was poor for us last season and a decent showing against Tblisi hasn't changed things overnight.

Which to be honest, is stupid, because as I've said three times now, they have played in different environments. If you have to compare them against each other then do so at the end of the season, because it's ridiculous who's better to say either way at this point in time.

Nice spam rating by the way. Also like how you've ruled out any ability Holtby might have on the basis of half a season in a new league, during which he joined half way through and played out of position in pretty much all his games.

 

[Lufti]

I think its just opinion at the end of the day, there is no definitive answer. What we do know though, as good Holtby is, is that he struggled last season and obviously we all hope he kicks on this season - and being played in his best position should certainly aid that. I like him as a player and I really do think he'll kick on this season.

Eriksen hasn't had half a season to settle either - so we need to bear that in mind, but my bet is he'll make a pretty quick impact.

Yeah that's all fair, but for Kendall to say:

Really, where has it come from that Lewis is anywhere close to Eriksen? Holtby was poor for us last season and a decent showing against Tblisi hasn't changed things overnight.

is ridiculous, especially considering the circumstances Holtby was playing for us under last year

 

[Kendall]

First of all, pick up your toys and put them back in your pram. Secondly, I didn't say you can't judge Eriksen as a player, I said it would be stupid to compare him to a player who hasn't played in any of the same competitions as him, with the exception of one Champions League campaign in which the two players were in contrasting groups.

Also, I'm not wading into the debate of whether Eriksen or Holtby should start, (where have I stated that either should start ahead of the other? My only previous posts in this thread have actually stated I'd like both to start, just for the reference), I'm commenting on this post by you:



Which to be honest, is stupid, because as I've said three times now, they have played in different environments. If you have to compare them against each other then do so at the end of the season, because it's ridiculous who's better to say either way at this point in time.

Nice spam rating by the way. Also like how you've ruled out any ability Holtby might have on the basis of half a season in a new league, during which he joined half way through and played out of position in pretty much all his games.

Ruled out any ability? Get a grip. I havent done that at all.

 

[Kendall]

Yeah that's all fair, but for Kendall to say:



is ridiculous, especially considering the circumstances Holtby was playing for us under last year

But he was poor, in my opinion. I can't see how there's an issue there. I've even said in other threads that period was a settling in period and he needs to kick on and show he's a good player, because frankly, he was a headless chicken last year.

 

[Lufti]

Ruled out any ability? Get a grip. I havent done that at all.

A slight exaggeration (though to say he's "nowhere near" Eriksen would show you don't think much of him), I love the 'get a grip' from you after your previous posts The fact that little segment if my post is all you've got to comment on speaks wonders.