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beats1

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Last season he created as many scoring chances as VdV and Modders. It wasn't his fault that only a couple were converted.

Let's just write him off, shall we?

Agree. Lennon is nowehere near in as deep a shit period of form as some on here will have you believe.

Well i disagree i cant remember the last time lennon beat his man on the outside, his performance against united was shocking as was the fact he couldn't pass to VDV from 3 yards away despite VDV waving like a fairy as usual he hit the ball against the defender on front of him,

that said he looked good 2nd half against Rubin but that was the first time he looked like he could beat a man when not on the counter in a long time
 

Narnill

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Who didn't look shit against United? I don't remember Bale looking anything like good anyway, if anything Lennon had more impact in the first two games than him.
 

beats1

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Who didn't look shit against United? I don't remember Bale looking anything like good anyway, if anything Lennon had more impact in the first two games than him.

disagree anyone on earth would be able to make that pass to vdv instead he didn't even see him and the thing that pissed me off more than anything, was as he went to get the ball for the corner he was smiling instead of being pissed off at himself

Last season he only turned up at moments during last season but he didn't manage to beat players like he did pre groin injury, his best game was newcastle away when he was on the left iirc

wenger said the reason why fabregas wasnt playing great was because mentally he wasn't ready to overcome the hamstring injury, i think this is the case with lennon with his groin injury and why he isn't taking players on in his manner pre-groin injury, this injury was only suppose to keep him out for 3 weeks and suppose to make his return for the leeds fa cup match in january but it carried on until may
 

Narnill

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The stats don't back up what you say though? As SS57 said, he created lots of goalscoring chances last season.
 

Chimbo!

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............... Friedel

Walker Kaboul Bassong Ekotto

Lennon Parker Modric Bale

............... VdV

............. Adebayor

It picks itself to be honest. Why play two holding midfielders against QPR?
 

jamesc0le

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sky saying gallas and pienaar in contention for qpr game
 

thekneaf

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Would be good to give Gallas a little run out, maybe 45mins to build him up slowly.
 

spurslenny

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Would be good to give Gallas a little run out, maybe 45mins to build him up slowly.

I'm not sure I'd start him though.

Kaboul and Bassong to start, give gallas 20/25 minutes at the end if we have a comfortable 2/3 goal lead.
 

Yid-ol

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Matter of opinion but one game isn't enough to judge this, plus we've won every game that Parker and Modric have played together in midfield.

All this is for a lot of people is getting Sandro, everyones favourite in the team. Its thinly veiled as some tactics debate but really this is the essence of it.

Newcastle away?

we also have won every league game that Sandro has played this year :shrug:

and on stick VDV on the right being such a bad mistake, here's some stats about whos played up top.

i know some of these are cup games but working it on 3 points per game for a win and 1 for a draw

VDV + Defoe - 2 (1 win 1 loss)
VDV + Crouch - 0 (1 loss)
Pave + Kane - 1 (2 draws)
Ade + Defoe - 3 (3 wins)
VDV + Pav - 1 (1 draw)
VDV + Ade - 2.33 (2 wins 1 draw)
Defoe + Pav - 3 (2 wins)
VDV came on at half time against Liverpool and played right, and we won 4-0, and also on the right against arsenal and we won 2-1! That’s 2 of the top 5 teams this formation has been used for and we have won, dispite it being so bad for VDV and the team....

IMO the best line up we can put out that is both attacking and defensive is -

----------------Friedle
Walker-Kaboul-Bassong-BAE
-------Parker-Modric-Bale
----VDV
-----------Defoe-Ade

to me giving VDV a free role on the right (but he wont stay there as we all know) so goes between midfield and forwards. Ade and Defoe both do and can track back if needed, Walker and BAE push up making it almost a flat midfield 4 again or 5 anyway! and parker and bale are capable of covering each side if needed, or sandro if one of 3 cm needs taking off or not playing.
 

sloth

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You write so much and quite a lot of rubbish in my opinion, your diagnosis is incredibly wrong, United play a 4-4-1-1,we play a 4-4-1-1 most of the time, this stupid talk as if there is any difference between a 4-2-3-1 and a 4-4-1-1 is barmy.

Formations are irrelevant anyway, basically it comes down to whether you want two defensive midfielders in the team instead of one. Sometimes the answer will be yes but most of the time its a no and Tottenham will need to get as many aggressive players on the pitch as possible and Modric being able to hold his own in central midfield is a massive plus because it allows us to get an extra attacker on the pitch.

I agree there's a blurring of lines and it's silly to get too hung up over whether it's 4-2-3-1, 4-4-1-1, 4-4-2 or whatever.

And you're quite right it does in the first place simply boil down to whether you want two tough tackling, ball-playing CMs at the base of your midfield rather than one.

You feel that it's more attacking having Modric share the defensive work-load playing slightly deeper, but having an additional attacker like Lennon on the pitch, we argue that this isn't the case.

In essence you feel we can win the ball more than adequately with a two man centre midfield including Modric against most opposition. We argue that in fact we can't.

More than that we think that if you can press high up the pitch, get in the oppositions faces and win the ball back quickly and aggressively this is a platform which means your primary attackers, albeit five rather than six (inc Walker) are seeing more of the ball and seeing more of it in the final third.

The alternative is you contain more than press, you only close up the space as they approach our defensive third, you wait for them to make an error as much as try to force the issue, so that you win the ball back less frequently, you allow them more of a platform to attack us in our half of the pitch, but you do hit them with counter-attacks from deep where you hope having the extra attacker and speed on the flanks will mean you're more likely to damage them when you do.

I think both are viable options, each depends on the quality of player you have available to you, but I would prefer to more often start with the plan A we had against Newcastle, but switch to the plan B (4-4-2) if it isn't working.

Well, I could have permed it to leave out Lennon and play Bale right or left. I should have thought the point was pretty obvious—that a change of formation is (or should be) very straightforward to bring about, especially when you know that substitutes are going to be used anyway, and that it is no more difficult for a manager to influence things with a 4-4-2 than it is with a 4-2-3-1 or anything else.

We know that virtually every team will line up with four men at the back; the only question there is how the FBs are employed. We also know that one at least of the FBs will be used in an attacking role. You've got six men to sort out, and your permutations are not only limited but overlap; 4-4-1-1 can as easily be a 4-4-2 or a 4-5-1, depending on how far forward or how far back your withdrawn forward plays.

Sure, you can switch - though the formations describe the qualities of the players in each role as much as the simple position they play on the pitch; to illustrate the point with an extreme example, you could put Friedel in CM and Modric in goal and play 4-2-3-1, but you'd have missed the point of what you're trying to describe - but my argument is that the efficacy of the switch is greater switching one way than the other.

This, I'm afraid, is what gets me about the Sandro love. As soon as some of those who are raving about him now see signs of fallibility, they'll turn on him. Huge potential, but he's appeared in barely 20 games and people would prefer him to Parker? Stroll on. He's got a lot to learn.

You simply couldn't imagine the attacks on Defoe we get now a few seasons ago (and one has to ask, why did it take so many people so long to realise he was a good but not outstanding striker?). Same with Lennon.

So lectures SC's very own paragon of balance and fair-mindedness :rofl:
 

alex3

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Good news from Harry this morning - Steven Pienaar, William Gallas and Ledley King could all be available to face QPR on Sunday.
 

Danny1

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LEDLEY!!! Im gonna change my team to this now:

Friedel

Walker---Kaboul---King---Assou-Ekotto

Sandro---Parker

VDV---Modric---Bale

Adebayor​
 

Spurger King

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Good news from Harry this morning - Steven Pienaar, William Gallas and Ledley King could all be available to face QPR on Sunday.

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AJW

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Still reckon bassong may end up starting. Gallas won't start ahead of him having been out for so long. Just a question of whether Ledley makes it
 

Yid-ol

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Still reckon bassong may end up starting. Gallas won't start ahead of him having been out for so long. Just a question of whether Ledley makes it

Was going to say something along these lines also!

great that they are back though, even if not in this game.
 

gregga

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What about a proper 4-3-3?

Would fit the personnel I reckon as Ade likes to run the channels and it will give VdV licence to roam:

Hellboy​

Walker Kaboul Bassong BAE​

Parker Sandro Modric​

Vdv Defoe Ade​


Dropping Bale is contraversial I know but we could bring him on for VdV after an hour and he could run them ragged!​
 

kendoddsdadsdogsdead

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I agree there's a blurring of lines and it's silly to get too hung up over whether it's 4-2-3-1, 4-4-1-1, 4-4-2 or whatever.

And you're quite right it does in the first place simply boil down to whether you want two tough tackling, ball-playing CMs at the base of your midfield rather than one.

You feel that it's more attacking having Modric share the defensive work-load playing slightly deeper, but having an additional attacker like Lennon on the pitch, we argue that this isn't the case.

In essence you feel we can win the ball more than adequately with a two man centre midfield including Modric against most opposition. We argue that in fact we can't.

More than that we think that if you can press high up the pitch, get in the oppositions faces and win the ball back quickly and aggressively this is a platform which means your primary attackers, albeit five rather than six (inc Walker) are seeing more of the ball and seeing more of it in the final third.

The alternative is you contain more than press, you only close up the space as they approach our defensive third, you wait for them to make an error as much as try to force the issue, so that you win the ball back less frequently, you allow them more of a platform to attack us in our half of the pitch, but you do hit them with counter-attacks from deep where you hope having the extra attacker and speed on the flanks will mean you're more likely to damage them when you do.

I think both are viable options, each depends on the quality of player you have available to you, but I would prefer to more often start with the plan A we had against Newcastle, but switch to the plan B (4-4-2) if it isn't working.



Sure, you can switch - though the formations describe the qualities of the players in each role as much as the simple position they play on the pitch; to illustrate the point with an extreme example, you could put Friedel in CM and Modric in goal and play 4-2-3-1, but you'd have missed the point of what you're trying to describe - but my argument is that the efficacy of the switch is greater switching one way than the other.



So lectures SC's very own paragon of balance and fair-mindedness :rofl:

That's the thing, Bale is the type of traditional wide player who likes to take on the full back, carries the ball long distances he's not really going to be the one and two touch player in and around the box, so he's naturally going to pick up the ball from a traditional position in a 4-4-2 or whatever you want to call it. Where would you play him? same for Modric for me he's still at his best and the only player really in our team who can receive the ball from the back under pressure and be able to manipulate the ball and get us facing the opposition. How high up the pitch would you play him. In one of the three? I really rate Sandro and Parker and they can both win the ball back very well, but there no where near Modric technically in that respect. For me your 4-2-3-1 is basically 4-4-1-1 with two destructive centre midfielders with one of Modric or VDV playing from the right.
 

felmani26

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Still reckon bassong may end up starting. Gallas won't start ahead of him having been out for so long. Just a question of whether Ledley makes it

I tend to disagree as with options coming back in the form of Ledley and Gallas, Bassong will be deemed a starter when we travel out to Russia so if Ledley is fit, or as fit as he ever is, I would not be surprised to see his name on the team sheet.

Whichever way, it's great to have some quality depth at CB for a change.
 
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