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whitelanefever

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He’s not committed to Tottenham. I’m sure he’d like to win a trophy with us. Like I said, if he played his cards right he could’ve had his cake and eaten it (won a cup and got a move in the summer) but he’s clearly been fucking us about and isn’t 100% committed otherwise Poch would be playing him.
So because he hasn't signed a new contract he's fucking us about..nonsense..he's looking out for his career..did he show lack of commitment against Brighton..no..

Coutinho wanted out..he was still played & performed, similarly Suarez before.. Can currently is free agent in summer hasn't stopped him been picked b4 injury.. David Silva wants to finish his career in Spain & will likely return in summer but while they are still under contract they perform..it's been a professional..players move clubs the whole time & it's not about commitment it's doing what's best for your career..

Not playing one of the best defenders in the world is biting off your nose to spite your face..you either want to win or not & playing Toby improves your chances..
 

hutchiniho

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TBH, I’m almost as surprised people are going with Tobi.

No way he starts. Why would he. He’s not committed to the cause.

You don’t think he’d like to win the FA Cup (before he leaves)?

Also, if we have a better chance of lifting the trophy with him in the side - get him in the starting 11. Next season can look after itself. No point cutting your nose off to spite your face for the sake of showing him a lesson. Drop him for the Prem matches sure but I want the best 11 out there Saturday regardless.
 

E17yid

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You don’t think he’d like to win the FA Cup (before he leaves)?

Also, if we have a better chance of lifting the trophy with him in the side - get him in the starting 11. Next season can look after itself. No point cutting your nose off to spite your face for the sake of showing him a lesson. Drop him for the Prem matches sure but I want the best 11 out there Saturday regardless.

I’ve already said I’m sure he wants to win a trophy. In fact, I’m sure he’ll say something to that affect when he says goodbye in the summer.

It’s not about teaching him a lesson it’s to let everyone else know (though tbf I’m sure they do already) don’t fuck with Poch. If you want out and you don’t 110% be at THFC then you’re not playing.
 

Shadydan

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So because he hasn't signed a new contract he's fucking us about..nonsense..he's looking out for his career..did he show lack of commitment against Brighton..no..

Coutinho wanted out..he was still played & performed, similarly Suarez before.. Can currently is free agent in summer hasn't stopped him been picked b4 injury.. David Silva wants to finish his career in Spain & will likely return in summer but while they are still under contract they perform..it's been a professional..players move clubs the whole time & it's not about commitment it's doing what's best for your career..

Not playing one of the best defenders in the world is biting off your nose to spite your face..you either want to win or not & playing Toby improves your chances..

I was with you up until that last sentence, all well and good saying pay him what he wants but quadrupling his pay inevitably pushes the wage bill up for the entire staff and will eventually cause unrest in the dressing room.
 

Ronwol196061

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So because he hasn't signed a new contract he's fucking us about..nonsense..he's looking out for his career..did he show lack of commitment against Brighton..no..

Coutinho wanted out..he was still played & performed, similarly Suarez before.. Can currently is free agent in summer hasn't stopped him been picked b4 injury.. David Silva wants to finish his career in Spain & will likely return in summer but while they are still under contract they perform..it's been a professional..players move clubs the whole time & it's not about commitment it's doing what's best for your career..

Not playing one of the best defenders in the world is biting off your nose to spite your face..you either want to win or not & playing Toby improves your chances..

Toby was injured Im sure. He looked fittee in this last game and was involved with no diffence than he was. Im sure he usnt the type to mess us around. Ewnts to make more money..good luck to him..he deserves it. He is top notch
 

whitelanefever

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I was with you up until that last sentence, all well and good saying pay him what he wants but quadrupling his pay inevitably pushes the wage bill up for the entire staff and will eventually cause unrest in the dressing room.
Eh I said playing... personally though I do think we should get closer to what he will get offered elsewhere.. look at Madrid or Bayern you have a few of the really big earners & then those on a good wage but significantly less & they except it because they know 1)how important they are to the team 2)They are elite players & one best in world

To me Toby & Kane are one of best players in world in their position & if you have ambition you pay them like it & I bet rest of team wouldn't have a problem if Kane earned 200+ a wk & they wouldn't because they know you havery more chance of been successful with him..similarly Toby
 

Shadydan

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Eh I said playing... personally though I do think we should get closer to what he will get offered elsewhere.. look at Madrid or Bayern you have a few of the really big earners & then those on a good wage but significantly less & they except it because they know 1)how important they are to the team 2)They are elite players & one best in world

To me Toby & Kane are one of best players in world in their position & if you have ambition you pay them like it & I bet rest of team wouldn't have a problem if Kane earned 200+ a wk & they wouldn't because they know you havery more chance of been successful with him..similarly Toby

Haha sorry read it wrong and I agree that he should play.

I think £130k a week is fair though tbh, that would make him our highest paid player.
 

whitelanefever

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Haha sorry read it wrong and I agree that he should play.

I think £130k a week is fair though tbh, that would make him our highest paid player.
I think he's worth more.. I think 160 & big signing bonus & is what he should be offered with a commitment that if he still wants to leave next summer we won't price him out of a move.. sign a contract keep the team together & have a right go at winning lg next year..if we fall short you can leave..
 

E17yid

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It’s a tough call between Son and Lamela but I’m going with Lamela (partly because I think Son is a better option off the bench). If I wanted to go 3 at the back I’d push Dier back there with Wanyama coming in alongside Dembele but I’d stick with 4 at the back.

Hugo
Trippier Sanchez Jan Davies
Dier Dembele
Lamela Alli Eriksen
Kane
 

Shadydan

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I think he's worth more.. I think 160 & big signing bonus & is what he should be offered with a commitment that if he still wants to leave next summer we won't price him out of a move.. sign a contract keep the team together & have a right go at winning lg next year..if we fall short you can leave..

Problem is apparently he wants £200k regardless it's very difficult to say how much a player is worth because you're comparing them to other players, Virgil Van Dijk is on £180k a week at Liverpool, before he was on £50k a week at Southampton, that doesn't suddenly mean that Toby is 'worth' what someone else is being paid especially as our budget differs from other teams respective budgets.

The club have ambition and aren't stupid and such an increase in wage will most probably mean that everyone else will be expecting a significant hike in wage and we'll need to honour and would probably struggle to.
 

whitelanefever

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Problem is apparently he wants £200k regardless it's very difficult to say how much a player is worth because you're comparing them to other players, Virgil Van Dijk is on £180k a week at Liverpool, before he was on £50k a week at Southampton, that doesn't suddenly mean that Toby is 'worth' what someone else is being paid especially as our budget differs from other teams respective budgets.

The club have ambition and aren't stupid and such an increase in wage will most probably mean that everyone else will be expecting a significant hike in wage and we'll need to honour and would probably struggle to.
Van Dijk isn't half the defender Toby is.. if he is on 180 then sure as hell Toby is worth it.. make up for it with signing on fee & bonus..
The likes of Rose I'd flat out refuse more because you could pay the same for someone to do same job..the likes of Toby, Jan, Dembele, Eriksen & Kane are core of side & deserve to be paid like it imo.. to lesser extent Son, Dele & Dier should get increases ..the rest could be replaced easily at same wage..
 

LexingtonSpurs

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No way Jose parks at home to us that would just be plain embarrassing and the crowd would not stand for it and he knows it. If Poch has any sence he will drop deeper for this game and hope to get them on the break ourselves. Basically play for a draw.
Home?
 

LexingtonSpurs

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I will say this - if Poch was willing to think outside the box - he will do what Chelsea did to us last year. Anticipate extra-time, and save Kane until the 60-minute mark.

Start Son, Eriksen, Lamela, Dele - bring Kane on for Lamela (or Dembele - moving Dele or Eriksens back if we are chasing a goal) at 60 minutes. Lucas can sub in for Son a little later.

Gives us the best squad at the end of the match, and into extra-time.


I don't think Poch will do that - but its a viable strategy.
 

Shadydan

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Van Dijk isn't half the defender Toby is.. if he is on 180 then sure as hell Toby is worth it.. make up for it with signing on fee & bonus..
The likes of Rose I'd flat out refuse more because you could pay the same for someone to do same job..the likes of Toby, Jan, Dembele, Eriksen & Kane are core of side & deserve to be paid like it imo.. to lesser extent Son, Dele & Dier should get increases ..the rest could be replaced easily at same wage..

That's the point though isn't it, Liverpool are paying him that because they can afford to, we can't. Man Utd are paying Lingard £100k a week which means that Alli should theoretically be on at least £150k but again it doesn't work like that. Why should we be penalised and held to ransom just because other teams overpay their players?

Not sure how easy it would be to replace players at the same wage like you are suggesting either.
 

ajspurs

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Son has been a bit iffy lately generally although he does work hard his control is off at times.
We have also been suspect at the back..with only Jan really on form..I would play all 3 CB's
and just use Dembele as the DM. He can handle it well
That leaves enough going forward as apart from the wingbacks,Dele coukd be a quasi CM and that leaves 3 more. Eriksen Kane and Lamela

Yeah I do agree that Son hasn't been at his best recently but I still think his directness and willingness to try and get to the byline and put crosses in as well as being another goal threat is important to the team. Have we really been suspect at the back though? Minus Man City at home, we've only conceded 3 goals in the last 4 games and 2 of them being from Lloris mistakes and a penalty.

Lloris
Toby Sanchez Verts
Trippier Dembele Davies
Alli Eriksen Son
Kane​

I guess with this it could depend on how disciplined Alli and Eriksen can be in supporting Dembele, and would that take away some of their ability to get forward? I think United will definitely go for a midfield 3 this time so we have to make sure we're not outnumbered and controlled in the centre of the pitch.
 

Ronwol196061

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Yeah I do agree that Son hasn't been at his best recently but I still think his directness and willingness to try and get to the byline and put crosses in as well as being another goal threat is important to the team. Have we really been suspect at the back though? Minus Man City at home, we've only conceded 3 goals in the last 4 games and 2 of them being from Lloris mistakes and a penalty.



I guess with this it could depend on how disciplined Alli and Eriksen can be in supporting Dembele, and would that take away some of their ability to get forward? I think United will definitely go for a midfield 3 this time so we have to make sure we're not outnumbered and controlled in the centre of the pitch.

I had Dele (CM) supporting Dembele (DM) and Lamela un there too.
So defensive not bad
Expanding quickly with the two backs and Dele Lamela and Kane
Son of the bench as an impact sub
Moura off the bench for a different look
Dier off the bench in defence
 

Gaz_Gammon

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So because he hasn't signed a new contract he's fucking us about..nonsense..he's looking out for his career..did he show lack of commitment against Brighton..no..

Coutinho wanted out..he was still played & performed, similarly Suarez before.. Can currently is free agent in summer hasn't stopped him been picked b4 injury.. David Silva wants to finish his career in Spain & will likely return in summer but while they are still under contract they perform..it's been a professional..players move clubs the whole time & it's not about commitment it's doing what's best for your career..

Not playing one of the best defenders in the world is biting off your nose to spite your face..you either want to win or not & playing Toby improves your chances..


We have lost one PL game this year without him (since November actually), and beat Yanited without conceding as well, beat Arsenal, Chelsea (away for the first time in decades) and held Liverpool away. I think at my last count we had also kept clean sheets in half of those PL games played in 2018.

Writing a list of what you think other players at other clubs will likely do has nothing to do with Spurs, or any of the Spurs players. The facts are that Toby has been out injured for twenty nine games this season, and we have played outstanding football without him.

If he does not want to sign a new contract then that is down to him and his agent, but there are several players who have played in those twenty nine games that Toby has missed that are more deserving of a new or extended contract than Toby.

Then again why let the facts get in the way of a good argument.
 

Cavehillspur

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Absolutely dreading this, out for my mates birthday Sat night and will be watching this with a group of United and Pool fans. Just hope we finally get past an FA Cup semi final AND United in a cup game but im just not confident, can see Jose doing a number on us.

On a side note, im no expert but Kane doesn't look fit to me and our performances have dipped since he returned to the side, maybe freshen it up and play Sonny up top, only if Kane isn't fully at it though.
 

montylynch

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I think the business around that goal at Stoke has got inside his noggin. Far too much was made of it at the time and of course everything since, what with Ronaldo doing the same last night too.

I'm sure if he wasn't fit for Tuesday, he wouldn't of played.

Maybe Mo will pull a doozee and play him and Llorente up top, like Real away.
 
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