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whitelanefever

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That's the point though isn't it, Liverpool are paying him that because they can afford to, we can't. Man Utd are paying Lingard £100k a week which means that Alli should theoretically be on at least £150k but again it doesn't work like that. Why should we be penalised and held to ransom just because other teams overpay their players?

Not sure how easy it would be to replace players at the same wage like you are suggesting either.
I see your point..however it's elite players & if you want to win trophies the market dictates, otherwise be sure this team will break up over next few seasons..to me it's an omen for what will happen with Eriksen & Kane, Dele over next few seasons & we will get into a cycle of rebuild every summer..that's my concern.. I do think the likes of Rose could be replaced at same wage or less Aaron Martin espanyol & PhilIpp Max augsburg spring to mind & they would improve us but that's just my personal opinion..

I do get your point though
 

whitelanefever

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We have lost one PL game this year without him (since November actually), and beat Yanited without conceding as well, beat Arsenal, Chelsea (away for the first time in decades) and held Liverpool away. I think at my last count we had also kept clean sheets in half of those PL games played in 2018.

Writing a list of what you think other players at other clubs will likely do has nothing to do with Spurs, or any of the Spurs players. The facts are that Toby has been out injured for twenty nine games this season, and we have played outstanding football without him.

If he does not want to sign a new contract then that is down to him and his agent, but there are several players who have played in those twenty nine games that Toby has missed that are more deserving of a new or extended contract than Toby.

Then again why let the facts get in the way of a good argument.
I'm not sure I get your point..we have dominated most of those games & without defensive mistakes could of won at Liverpool..alright Sanchez made mistakes same vs City & he's young & will learn however here's where it counts Sanchez makes the same positional mistakes in every match I watch, it's just that his pace gets him out of bad positioning & against the top teams you get punished for it..Young Cb need a leader beside them someone who is vocal..Toby is that..alright we probably would lostto City with Toby in the team, he wouldnt give up the goal Sanchez did..

Same Juve we wouldn't of conceded 2 in 5 mins imo because he is a leader & it's in those really big games it shows..

I don't see how anyone would think not having Toby wouldn't make us weaker.. it does significantly.. Alegri was right when he said we give up chances
 

Gaz_Gammon

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I'm not sure I get your point..we have dominated most of those games & without defensive mistakes could of won at Liverpool..alright Sanchez made mistakes same vs City & he's young & will learn however here's where it counts Sanchez makes the same positional mistakes in every match I watch, it's just that his pace gets him out of bad positioning & against the top teams you get punished for it..Young Cb need a leader beside them someone who is vocal..Toby is that..alright we probably would lostto City with Toby in the team, he wouldnt give up the goal Sanchez did..

Same Juve we wouldn't of conceded 2 in 5 mins imo because he is a leader & it's in those really big games it shows..

I don't see how anyone would think not having Toby wouldn't make us weaker.. it does significantly.. Alegri was right when he said we give up chances



But that's hearsay?

The actual facts are that we have lost a single PL game this year to the runaway Champions. When you say "we give up chances" how do you know we wouldn't have give them up with Toby in the team?

Our record appears to be factually better without him?

Do i value him well yes, but that does not mean that you should change a winning side after a single defeat since last November, and certainly for a player who patently does not want to play for the club next season.
 

whitelanefever

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But that's hearsay?

The actual facts are that we have lost a single PL game this year to the runaway Champions. When you say "we give up chances" how do you know we wouldn't have give them up with Toby in the team?

Our record appears to be factually better without him?

Do i value him well yes, but that does not mean that you should change a winning side after a single defeat since last November, and certainly for a player who patently does not want to play for the club next season.
Because positionally & as an organiser he's the best in the world.. can you count on one hand the amount of glaring mistakes he's made since joining us..he doesn't & he doesn't cost us goals.. we could still lose but are chances of not losing increase with him..
 

WexfordTownSpur

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I’ve already said I’m sure he wants to win a trophy. In fact, I’m sure he’ll say something to that affect when he says goodbye in the summer.

It’s not about teaching him a lesson it’s to let everyone else know (though tbf I’m sure they do already) don’t fuck with Poch. If you want out and you don’t 110% be at THFC then you’re not playing.
Think he already did that with walker last season and has done it with Rose this, and maybe he is already doing it with Toby.
However bottom line for me is we are worse of this season with Walker gone and not replacing him with as good a RB.
And we could be worse off again losing Toby and Rose and not being able to replace them with as good as players. Please don’t say we have Sanchez as he is not as good as Toby. Maybe one day but Toby is at least a couple of years ahead. In my mind best CB in the premier league and that in including van dyke
 

luptic

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Im already dreading this match, United are going to through, we will find some way of messing up.
 

Mr Pink

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You really think he is playing injured or unfit?

Harry is leggy and out of form and the Stoke shit might have knocked his ego abit, after he scored against Brighton he seemed to perk up.

You can say it how you want, not playing him in a FAcup semi final would be wrong on so many ways IMO.

After the way we played the last 2 games we could say the whole squad looks unfit and off form , good luck dropping most of them.

That's because the press from the front was non existent, that's my whole point. We looked off the pace as a unit, Harry leads that press, and if he's not 100 per cent fit he obviously won't be pressing effectively.

If he's fit he starts all day long, obviously. But if he isn't quite fit enough I wouldn’t start him for the reasons above, that's all I'm saying.
 

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I will say this - if Poch was willing to think outside the box - he will do what Chelsea did to us last year. Anticipate extra-time, and save Kane until the 60-minute mark.

Start Son, Eriksen, Lamela, Dele - bring Kane on for Lamela (or Dembele - moving Dele or Eriksens back if we are chasing a goal) at 60 minutes. Lucas can sub in for Son a little later.

Gives us the best squad at the end of the match, and into extra-time.


I don't think Poch will do that - but its a viable strategy.

Poch is not tactically savvy to think like that
 

Trix

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Just for clarity... There is no concern with Toby's short term commitment, but he wants to move on. As I have said previously this is not just a financial issue. I posted a long while back that this is very similar issue to Walker last season, and nothing since then has changed.
 

dagraham

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Just for clarity... There is no concern with Toby's short term commitment, but he wants to move on. As I have said previously this is not just a financial issue. I posted a long while back that this is very similar issue to Walker last season, and nothing since then has changed.

Well let’s just hope the ending is different and he doesn’t end up at one of our rivals.
 

thinktank

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Vorm, Aurier, Sanchez, Wanyama, Sissoko, Lamela, Alli
 

Bulletspur

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Stop having a hissy fit and show some fucking loyalty. harry will shut you all up saturday. Form temporary class perm.

Poch should know if he is fit enough to play ,alot more than you.
Not wanting a popular player to play if he is injured or off form has nothing to do with not being Loyal. If a good player is fit, by all means play him. If he is not and playing him could be detrimental to our performance then don't. Simple. As I said, get over yourself
 

Ronwol196061

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Poch is not tactically savvy to think like that
Personally I think he is less of a creative thinker than believer in his system. Many systems were on formss till they stop working and often the result is thinking system is not being adhered to enough rather than looking at anything outside the box.
I think Poch is loyal to his system
70 minute changes 80 minute changes and in tune to what he has done before
 

guy

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I see poch has come out with some unnecessary comments again as he has done before other cup games.

'It will be fantastic for Southampton, Chelsea, Manchester United or Tottenham if we will win the FA Cup but is it going to change our lives? I don't believe so. But it's not about need or don't need."

Just stay positive poch, we want to win the fucking thing. The players do need a trophy, listen to their interviews FFS.

I just do not understand why he cannot keep this kind of shit to himself, the only effect it is going to have is negative.
 

EastLondonYid

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Not wanting a popular player to play if he is injured or off form has nothing to do with not being Loyal. If a good player is fit, by all means play him. If he is not and playing him could be detrimental to our performance then don't. Simple. As I said, get over yourself

Poch prides himself of picking players who show him on the training ground that they are ready and up for the challenge, and now you've implying he is persisting with an unfit player....Anyone with any football knowledge will tell you that sometimes players can look completely out of sorts and it doesn't mean they are unfit.... Unless you're suggesting the majority of the squad are also unfit, Eriksen, Davies and Son looked just as leggy and off the last two games.. It seems you're the one that should get over yourself and realise players do have dips and when they do they look like different people even unfit.

Harry is a match winner and MUST play, even now he has a hand in both are last 2 goals even when he is a little off, he will come good and the only he will come good is too play him, and there is where the loyalty is.
 
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Shadydan

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I see poch has come out with some unnecessary comments again as he has done before other cup games.

'It will be fantastic for Southampton, Chelsea, Manchester United or Tottenham if we will win the FA Cup but is it going to change our lives? I don't believe so. But it's not about need or don't need."

Just stay positive poch, we want to win the fucking thing. The players do need a trophy, listen to their interviews FFS.

I just do not understand why he cannot keep this kind of shit to himself, the only effect it is going to have is negative.

Why are you assuming he tells the players the same thing he does the media?

Besides what he says isn't necessarily wrong either.
 
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