#thatsnotaknife

[Misfit]

I 'member during the mini-revival in Scottish fitba round about the late 90's or so watching an Old Firm game. It was epic tbf. Finished 0-0 but both teams missed pens and multiple shots off the wood work. End to end for the full 90. Never has a game gone by so quickly for me.

Those days are long gone it seems. The standard is generally woeful now.

 

[Insomnia]

 

[riggi]

I 'member during the mini-revival in Scottish fitba round about the late 90's or so watching an Old Firm game. It was epic tbf. Finished 0-0 but both teams missed pens and multiple shots off the wood work. End to end for the full 90. Never has a game gone by so quickly for me.

Those days are long gone it seems. The standard is generally woeful now.

Always a great game to watch, celtic v rangers. Celtic in the cl is good to watch aswell.

 

[Insomnia]

Always a great game to watch, celtic v rangers. Celtic in the cl is good to watch aswell.

Blink & you miss it though

 

[aliyid]

I was incredibly close to being killed by Glasgow Rangers fans in 1982" on a ferry to Ostende ..the 'big yins' had earmarked little old me as being a 'taig' and they decided to give me a severe kicking, started by hitting me over the head with beer bottles, and kicking the shit out of me - odds of about 20 onto one

I had carried out no dialogue with these fuckers, they just knew, as factions did in those days, by sight or by name, how a person could be pigeonholed, a Billy or a Pat, a Kev or a Trev. That was the way it was.

I spent the final third of the crossing hiding in the belly of our coach in the lower levels of the ship.

 

[Spurger King]

I was incredibly close to being killed by Glasgow Rangers fans in 1982" on a ferry to Ostende ..the 'big yins' had earmarked little old me as being a 'taig' and they decided to give me a severe kicking, started by hitting me over the head with beer bottles, and kicking the shit out of me - odds of about 20 onto one

I had carried out no dialogue with these fuckers, they just knew, as factions did in those days, by sight or by name, how a person could be pigeonholed, a Billy or a Pat, a Kev or a Trev. That was the way it was.

I spent the final third of the crossing hiding in the belly of our coach in the lower levels of the ship.

What's your point?

I personally had nothing to do with the 'occupation' of Northern Ireland. Neither did my dad. If a bunch of geographically challenged Scots want to sing songs about how much they love the IRA (or whatever local name you want to give them) and how much they hate the English, I won't feel guilty about thinking they're a bunch of ****s.

 

[TheChosenOne]

What's your point?

I personally had nothing to do with the 'occupation' of Northern Ireland. Neither did my dad. If a bunch of geographically challenged Scots want to sing songs about how much they love the IRA (or whatever local name you want to give them) and how much they hate the English, I won't feel guilty about thinking they're a bunch of ****s.

The English and British ruling classes have brutalised their own common people for centuries - it must be a Stockholm Syndrome theme going on, the working classes living in poverty and starving with high infant mortality rates and slums aplenty.

As for 'geographically challenged Scots' I am not sure what you are attempting to say.

 

[riggi]

The English and British ruling classes have brutalised their own common people for centuries - it must be a Stockholm Syndrome theme going on, the working classes living in poverty and starving with high infant mortality rates and slums aplenty.

As for 'geographically challenged Scots' I am not sure what you are attempting to say.

That they are Scottish people jumping on someone else's conflict. I think is what he's saying..

Your right and that's what my dad always used to say to scots and Irish people, my family weren't exactly living it up in Stepney or Wapping...

 

[Spurger King]

The English and British ruling classes have brutalised their own common people for centuries - it must be a Stockholm Syndrome theme going on, the working classes living in poverty and starving with high infant mortality rates and slums aplenty.

As for 'geographically challenged Scots' I am not sure what you are attempting to say.

Just a bizarre comment. There's a huge amount of British people that are well aware of how corrupt and self-serving the ruling classes are (obviously I'm not including Tory voters in that). Maybe they just don't think the logical answer is to blow up innocent people?

And Riggi has pretty much answered your second comment for me. If the Catholic Scots have such a love of Ireland and a hatred of British rule, then by all means fuck off.

I know it's an emotive subject. I used to live with a Rangers fan who had been an Orangeman on several occasions, so I had many long and drunken conversations about 'the troubles'. I actually used to try to play Devil's advocate and argue against his outright anti-Irish hatred. The thing is, like it or not, there's too much pro-British presence in Northern Ireland now. A few bombs aren't going to deter the British government and all its resources. Killing innocent people isn't exactly fighting the good fight. My dad (a staunch Labour voter with sympathies towards Ireland - not least because of maternal heritage) was seconds away from either being killed or seriously wounded by the IRA (or whatever it is you're calling them these days).

 

[TheChosenOne]

The Catholic Irish in Scotland are direct descendants of Irish that came over the sea to work for less than the going rate, just to get work.

The Protestant Ulstermen, who were descended from Plantation Scots that were given Irish land to resettle in and made a pretty good job of keeping the Irish downtrodden by locking them out of the major businessess throughout Belfast, Ulster and beyond - even the Guinness Brewery was noted as an exclusive Protestant employer.

The Scots themselves are of course history divided against the English since Roman times. The British are well accustomed to using divide and rule against all the populations throughout the world.

In my opinion it has all been created by the Normans, English and British.

British folk think about their great victories such as Trafalgar, Waterloo and the Battle of Britain, at Trafalgar there were 18,000 seamen on the British Ships, 3,500 of those were Irish, Waterloo had Irish brigades and of course the Prussians to assist them, and Polish and Irish plus other commonwealth countries rallied to England cry for help, as did many Irishmen did including a relative of mine in the First & Second World Wars. I can also say that Irish Battalions fought against the English/British armies
For France and Spain - they were called the Wild Geese.

The Britsh and English are tolerated but not liked in many of the lands where they left their mark, they plundered, looted and divided .. All for money and lands.

The Union Jack is also known as The Butcher's Apron throughout the world. Google it.


There have been many atrocities carried out in Ireland by all sides, British Army, RUC, UDA,UVF and the IRA and all it's splinter groups. The British and the RUC colluded with the Unionist gunmen in killings of innocent Catholics. To them it is all war.
Many folk only know about the IRA Bombings and shootings but the Ulstermen were good at bombings and shootings of civilians just as well.

The Irish farming industry kept England going through the World Wars exporting as ever all the cattle and grain etc and losses of merchant shipping occurred with the Luftwaffe also accidentally dropping bombs on Irish soil by 'mistake' on several occasions, yet Chuchill had considered sending his army to retake Ireland at gunpoint, in 1940 he had no problem bombing the French Navy at Mers El Kabir to prevent it falling into German hands but at a cost of 1297 French sailors lives.

It is not about the people it is the bigger picture that counts.

Yet the Irish who suffered for centuries at having their lands confiscated, their religion oppressed - papal clergy were hanged if they were caught and education stopped. White slavery started with the Vikings but Oliver Cromwell and many others sent thousands upon thousands of men women and children to the New Americas and the West Indies never to be seen again.

Then there was 'The Great Hunger' a blight which caused failure of the potato crop for several year, the spud was the staple diet
ofthe Irish.

No other crops were affected, the dairy, meat and grain all thrived as did the fishing, exports to the UK continued as normal during that time the profits going to the landowners, English and usually absentee.

It is incorrectly called the famine, but to many Irish it was genocide, ethnic cleansing causing millions to die or leave Ireland for .. Scotland, England,United States,Canada and all points across the world, Argentina, Australia etc. of course the occupying armies also got fed while keeping the Irish away from the exports by gun and bayonet point.

Many Irish died at sea, through illness, maltreatment and shipwrecks on 'coffin ships' - I suppose similar to the Mediterranean refugees of today.

Of course if a lass was caught stealing bread she would be transported to Australia but at least she would have been fed.

I could go on, all the hangings without trial, the pitch cappings, unfortunately most folk over this side of the Celtic Sea only known what they have been told.

The problem is what hasn't been told.

 

[riggi]

The Catholic Irish in Scotland are direct descendants of Irish that came over the sea to work for less than the going rate, just to get work.

The Protestant Ulstermen, who were descended from Plantation Scots that were given Irish land to resettle in and made a pretty good job of keeping the Irish downtrodden by locking them out of the major businessess throughout Belfast, Ulster and beyond - even the Guinness Brewery was noted as an exclusive Protestant employer.

The Scots themselves are of course history divided against the English since Roman times. The British are well accustomed to using divide and rule against all the populations throughout the world.

In my opinion it has all been created by the Normans, English and British.

British folk think about their great victories such as Trafalgar, Waterloo and the Battle of Britain, at Trafalgar there were 18,000 seamen on the British Ships, 3,500 of those were Irish, Waterloo had Irish brigades and of course the Prussians to assist them, and Polish and Irish plus other commonwealth countries rallied to England cry for help, as did many Irishmen did including a relative of mine in the First & Second World Wars. I can also say that Irish Battalions fought against the English/British armies
For France and Spain - they were called the Wild Geese.

The Britsh and English are tolerated but not liked in many of the lands where they left their mark, they plundered, looted and divided .. All for money and lands.

The Union Jack is also known as The Butcher's Apron throughout the world. Google it.


There have been many atrocities carried out in Ireland by all sides, British Army, RUC, UDA,UVF and the IRA and all it's splinter groups. The British and the RUC colluded with the Unionist gunmen in killings of innocent Catholics. To them it is all war.
Many folk only know about the IRA Bombings and shootings but the Ulstermen were good at bombings and shootings of civilians just as well.

The Irish farming industry kept England going through the World Wars exporting as ever all the cattle and grain etc and losses of merchant shipping occurred with the Luftwaffe also accidentally dropping bombs on Irish soil by 'mistake' on several occasions, yet Chuchill had considered sending his army to retake Ireland at gunpoint, in 1940 he had no problem bombing the French Navy at Mers El Kabir to prevent it falling into German hands but at a cost of 1297 French sailors lives.

It is not about the people it is the bigger picture that counts.

Yet the Irish who suffered for centuries at having their lands confiscated, their religion oppressed - papal clergy were hanged if they were caught and education stopped. White slavery started with the Vikings but Oliver Cromwell and many others sent thousands upon thousands of men women and children to the New Americas and the West Indies never to be seen again.

Then there was 'The Great Hunger' a blight which caused failure of the potato crop for several year, the spud was the staple diet
ofthe Irish.

No other crops were affected, the dairy, meat and grain all thrived as did the fishing, exports to the UK continued as normal during that time the profits going to the landowners, English and usually absentee.

It is incorrectly called the famine, but to many Irish it was genocide, ethnic cleansing causing millions to die or leave Ireland for .. Scotland, England,United States,Canada and all points across the world, Argentina, Australia etc. of course the occupying armies also got fed while keeping the Irish away from the exports by gun and bayonet point.

Many Irish died at sea, through illness, maltreatment and shipwrecks on 'coffin ships' - I suppose similar to the Mediterranean refugees of today.

Of course if a lass was caught stealing bread she would be transported to Australia but at least she would have been fed.

I could go on, all the hangings without trial, the pitch cappings, unfortunately most folk over this side of the Celtic Sea only known what they have been told.

The problem is what hasn't been told.

Very interesting read. However I don't think spurger is arguing against this. He's arguing that the ira targeted innocent people who were not responsible for any of that. To then chant about that perticular group is not exactly going to go down well over here...

Pretty sure he feels the same about rangers fans. I'm not even sure what the argument is here. You both have the same view....

 

[TheChosenOne]

Very interesting read. However I don't think spurger is arguing against this. He's arguing that the ira targeted innocent people who were not responsible for any of that. To then chant about that perticular group is not exactly going to go down well over here...

Pretty sure he feels the same about rangers fans. I'm not even sure what the argument is here. You both have the same view....

Summing it up ... The Jocks are very triumphalist, with plenty of vainglorious sabre rattling, on both sides of the fence.

 

[riggi]

Summing it up ... The Jocks are very triumphalist, with plenty of vainglorious sabre rattling, on both sides of the fence.

This is true. I pissed off a Scottish girl on my travels by saying that Iron Bru was piss. I actually annoyed her

 

[TheChosenOne]

SK, This bit ....

I know it's an emotive subject. I used to live with a Rangers fan who had been an Orangeman on several occasions, so I had many long and drunken conversations about 'the troubles'. I actually used to try to play Devil's advocate and argue against his outright anti-Irish hatred. The thing is, like it or not, there's too much pro-British presence in Northern Ireland now. A few bombs aren't going to deter the British government and all its resources. Killing innocent people isn't exactly fighting the good fight. My dad (a staunch Labour voter with sympathies towards Ireland - not least because of maternal heritage) was seconds away from either being killed or seriously wounded by the IRA (or whatever it is you're calling them these days.

The piece where you say there is too much pro British presence in Ireland is only partially true, Belfast now has a Catholic majority and they are young and breeding like the proverbial rabbits, the Protestant percentage is in decline.

The rest of Ulster is only slightly ahead in percentage terms at the moment but I reckon by the next census those six counties will have a majorly of Catholics in situ.

Another point I would add is that I reckon the Republic of Ireland and its population probably don't want too have to many of the Northern neighbours sucking off the Southern Irish welfare tit and would rather the UK welfare tit was kept open for business.

A very hot potato indeed.

 

[Spurger King]

Very interesting read. However I don't think spurger is arguing against this. He's arguing that the ira targeted innocent people who were not responsible for any of that. To then chant about that perticular group is not exactly going to go down well over here...

Pretty sure he feels the same about rangers fans. I'm not even sure what the argument is here. You both have the same view....

Pretty much. I'm not exactly pro-establishment so I can understand the hatred towards the British government. I don't condone murder, but can recognise the Brighton bombing as a political act of retaliation.

It's the targeting of innocent English people that ruins any moral high ground. Anyone who condones that, such as some Celtic fans, can rot.

And yes I feel the same about some Rangers fans. The guy I lived with was a psychopath with a passions hatred of the Irish. He had no interest in understanding the grey areas. Then again I guess finding out that his mate had been shot then had his genitals stuffed in his mouth by members of the IRA probably didn't help him keep an open mind.

 

[yankspurs]

The dildo one made me fall off my couch. Laugh out loud funny