The All New Spurs U21, U18 & Other Youth News Thread

[Luka Van der Bale]

The fact onomah wasn't signed by us shouldnt count against him. If he played for a lower league he would got the same amount of games even if he was in the championship imo

However in terms of talent and ability they are the same stage in their career. Playing more games doesn't mean you're are worth more or more talented.

Onomah could easily point to the fact he was playing for the U21's before bentaleb and at the age of 15 and the reasoning behind his lack of games is due to the fact he hasn't been given a chance but in terms of england, he has been a mainstay of every england team and one of only 2 england teams to actually win the U17 as CM.

Sorry mate, you can argue they are equally as talented, you can argue Onomah would have done just as well, but you simply can't use the phrase 'at the same stage in their career' when their levels of professional experience are so vastly different. It's just a lie, whether you rate Onomah or not. Imagine a West Ham fan came along and said some player who'd never played a professional match was at the same stage if their career as Pritchard or Bentaleb or Kane. Yes maybe they're as talented, but that's not really what the phrase you keep using means.

 

[newbie]

Sorry mate, you can argue they are equally as talented, you can argue Onomah would have done just as well, but you simply can't use the phrase 'at the same stage in their career' when their levels of professional experience are so vastly different. It's just a lie, whether you rate Onomah or not. Imagine a West Ham fan came along and said some player who'd never played a professional match was at the same stage if their career as Pritchard or Bentaleb or Kane. Yes maybe they're as talented, but that's not really what the phrase you keep using means.

I think Onomah is more talented in a creative sense he does things I don't see other players do, his brain is very unique alough I think Ali will be a very good player for us but I complete get what beats means, as Onomah has I mind of X factor to go with his ability.

 

[Blake Griffin]

not the best source but the sun say we've offered onomah a four year deal. with chelsea, city and liverpool(lol) all interested in taking him.

The report notes that Onomah earns just £800-a-week, with the three interested teams will to offer up to 20 times that amount - handing him a deal worth up to £16,000-a-week.

blimey

 

[beats1]

not the best source but the sun say we've offered onomah a four year deal. with chelsea, city and liverpool(lol) all interested in taking him.



blimey

Sun said the other day Man Utd were interested as well

Sorry mate, you can argue they are equally as talented, you can argue Onomah would have done just as well, but you simply can't use the phrase 'at the same stage in their career' when their levels of professional experience are so vastly different. It's just a lie, whether you rate Onomah or not. Imagine a West Ham fan came along and said some player who'd never played a professional match was at the same stage if their career as Pritchard or Bentaleb or Kane. Yes maybe they're as talented, but that's not really what the phrase you keep using means.

Just because someone does have more experience doesnt mean they are further in their development, for instance Pogba hardly played before he went to Juventus yet a year later he was one of the most raved about young talents. If he were compared to Alli before his juventus debut, it would be fair to say they are at the same stage in the career both on the verge of a breakout season

Same goes for your hypothetical, if there was a such I probably would know about them but comparing Pritchard or even mason to said west ham player is a bit much. Since both players including Kane as well are in their 20's, whereas Onomah and Alli are a year apart and both don't have top level experience. In fact Onomah has spent more of his career around the top players like VDV, Modric, Berbatov and etc than Alli which would help him a lot in his development. Yes playing games is a big experience but in some cases loan route isn't the way to go with certain youth players.

I hate it when people are ignoring youth players due to their lack of loan experience, certain players don't suit the loan system and certain players are so special that they needed to be kept at the club and given a chance at a young age

 

[newbie]

not the best source but the sun say we've offered onomah a four year deal. with chelsea, city and liverpool(lol) all interested in taking him.



blimey

He has virtually no chance at Chelsea or City, I think levy will sort it he knows we can't afford to loose our best youth players.

 

[keithtighe93]

He has virtually no chance at Chelsea or City, I think levy will sort it he knows we can't afford to loose our best youth players.

yeah, in fairness to Levy he's pretty good at dealing with contracts

 

[Cornpattbuck]

All the talk out of the club, whether direct from Poch or the little training highlights on the OS/Facebook, is absolutely glowing about Onomah.
It will get sorted, they clearly know they've got a player on their hands.

 

[edson]

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/onomah-new-contract-offer-this-week.html

 

[Hotspur88]

Any news on when Pritchard is back in training?

 

[Lilbaz]

My point was about west ham
Loosing there youth players, was not pay related they were not very good at the time and got relegated if they had built on what they had they would prob have kept them, plus there fans hated lamps no wonder he could not wait to leave.

You say we don't pay enough how do you know ? We have paid less than the top 4 for a very long time and managed because levy understands we can't compete so we operate a very different way. I doubt we will loose josh, Edwards is far more complex, josh has played well above his age at spurs for a very long time he will get a pay increase if he needs one. Let's be honest levy has been very good at this since sol, and everyone not long a go harped on about bents leaving.

Levy came in just a couple of months before sol left. It was his first major lesson at spurs and he's not forgotten it.

 

[spurs9]

looks like Grant Ward scored two more tonight for Rotherham, making it 4 in 3 now.

Any idea what position they are playing him?

 

[Romulus]

Any idea what position they are playing him?

i think in the last game he played wide right but im not sure if hes played there in the other games

 

[SonicSarr]

Genuinely excited by the talent we could have coming through when we get to the new stadium. Ali, Pritchard, CCV, Onomah, Harrison, Winks, Yahaya(?), Azzouai, Velkovic... Can't ever remember us having more than a couple of good hopes before. Hope they all progress and that we can hang on to them.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Is Yahaya still about? Presumably, even if he can't get a work permit, we'd send him on a long-term loan rather than release him? If he's as talented as is suspected.

 

[faze_coys]

Any news on when Pritchard is back in training?

hopefully light training end of this month, 4-6 weeks for ankle ligaments presuming hes healed well.

 

[longtimespur]

Shame it'll put him behind the others fitness wise and presumably be harder for him to get game time before the season starts.

 

[thinktank]

Genuinely excited by the talent we could have coming through when we get to the new stadium. Ali, Pritchard, CCV, Onomah, Harrison, Winks, Yahaya(?), Azzouai, Velkovic... Can't ever remember us having more than a couple of good hopes before. Hope they all progress and that we can hang on to them.

It's imperative we hang onto poch as they all will be buzzing about their chances of breaking through under him now.

We're actually building a framework around them.

That is huge. Poch will bring them through; the next two three years will be very exciting for us.

It's a shame so many can't see what's happening and continue to whine about nonsense.

Patience will bring great rewards for the fans.

 

[longtimespur]

It's imperative we hang onto poch as they all will all be buzzing about their chances of breaking through now.

We actually building a framework around them.

That is huge. Poch will bring them through, the next two three years will be very exciting for us.

It's a shame so many can't see it what's happening and continue to whine about nonsense.

Patience will bring great rewards for the fans.

More patients than patience on here!!!

 

[IGSpur]

Genuinely excited by the talent we could have coming through when we get to the new stadium. Ali, Pritchard, CCV, Onomah, Harrison, Winks, Yahaya(?), Azzouai, Velkovic... Can't ever remember us having more than a couple of good hopes before. Hope they all progress and that we can hang on to them.

And KWP and Oduwa, I hope you and @thinktank are right and we start seeing Poch integrating them over the next few years.

Next year while obviously being big for the club will be very important for the academy. Whether or not he tries to integrate our top young players and how many get a chance/debuts will be quite important. We've already seen top clubs starting to circle our big talents now, and our only advantage is that we give our young players chance.

But if no new players get a chance and I'm only talking one or two (Veljkovic/Onomah/Carroll/Winks) and maybe a couple of debuts and I just mean minutes once towards the end of the game, we will begin to lose our advantage over other clubs. If people get chances and struggle fair dos, and the results of the club are most important, but we need to be seen to be willing to give chances as the academy is our best weapon for breaking into the top 4.

This helps in cases where we want to sign young players (Alli) and of course hanging onto our young players (Edwards). With even more talent coming behind these lot we will begin to see more vultures than normal and we need a reason for them to want to stay at this club.

I hope Poch is the man I look forward to next season

 

[IGSpur]

Don't know if anyone has posted this buy our academy and u16s are in Belgium at a preseason training camp and game(s) against Club Brugge.