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The answer to Spurs problems is easy

Dharmabum

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Well, it may not be as easy as they claim here, because in football, too (and I presume at Spurs as well) they're using psychologists to work with - and on - the players, but still there are some good points in this article.

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.no/2014/10/the-answer-to-spurs-problems-is-easy.html


The answer to Spurs problems is easy




We train every aspect of footballers and then leave the most important part out, what's between the ears. Every decision we make, every movement we make is the result of the brain.



There are physios, fitness trainers, medical staff, nutritionist, former players, coaches , managers, an abundance of experts on hand to deal with and optimise every aspect of a player, so why are we not optimising their brain, the most important component of all?

The impossible gets achieved because people believe it's possible, sailing round the world, flying to the moon and closer to home the 4 minute mile. Once you break a mental block it is no longer a block for anyone, they can simply replicate what you did and then work on enhancing it.

Scientists at London's Brunel University believe the game's top talents have mental faculties that are better programmed to anticipate their opponents' moves.

The Journal of Sport and Exercise Psychology published research findings that showed experience and thus greater knowledge, played a significant part in improved performance. The research found that of 39 players tested, the more experienced footballers were able to suppress the urge to act instinctively, making them less susceptible to feints or tricks from their opponents.

Now Tottenham have a transfer policy of buy young and improve, which is brilliant if you are going to improve the brain but is a fingers crossed approach otherwise and that fingers crossed approach has flopped massively with none of the 'Summer Seven' from last season being consistently good enough.



Johan Cruyff, regarded as the best player in the world during his time, says that football is a game you play with your brain. If that is the case, and it is, why are we not training the brain?

Dr. Dan Bishop, a lecturer in Sport & Exercise Psychology at Brunel's Centre for Sports Medicine and Human Performance spoke with CNN and told them he could see neuroscientists being employed by top clubs in the future.

"I can see top teams employing neuroscientists in the future. That's because we have the skills and resources to witness very subtle changes in perceptual abilities that may not initially manifest in performance data, because people can change their mind midway through a task and therefore give an erroneous response, when in fact their initial 'preattentive' brain response was the correct one.
"I imagine that this will be most useful at academy level, to assess the development of young players."

It's never too late to learn and daily training for established players to improve their mental thinking process will produce results as will attention to fine detail like the body position or foot position at certain points in a game.

If Tottenham continue to do what they have always done they will continue to get the same results. Effectively all we are doing is employing new coach after new coach to employ a different method of teaching the same thing, while leaving the biggest asset a footballer has, his brain, alone.

Nobody else is doing it, well that's not strictly true, clubs such as AC Milan are starting to listen and incorporate minor elements into youth coaching but should Tottenham wait for someone else to tackle this area and follow like sheep or should we steal a march on the competition?



We are not talking about a massive investment, we are simply in the beginning talking about a change of mindset. We need players with the right mentality, we don't have them, the current lot show that week after week after week. So what are the options, sell them and buy another lot, keeping our fingers crossed again or improving the mentality of those we have?

One is expensive and trusts to luck, one is cheap and doesn't.

"We believe this greater level of neural activity is something that can be developed through high-quality training, so the next step will be to look at how the brain can be trained over time to anticipate the moves of opponents."
What I'm putting here is touching the iceberg, Tottenham need to employ someone to bring research in this area together and then design a daily mental training programme to add to their existing work.

During the season a player has little actual time to prepare between games and improve skills. There is a rest day after games and a light training day before full training on the third day, but Thursday to Sunday football doesn't even provide that. The time available to work on the mental side of the game is there but not being used as it could.

If you can improve a players concentration you can eliminate some of their mistakes, if you'll forgive the pun it's a no-brainer. You improve their concentration by improving their perception of what a big game is and that's easy to do.

Do Spurs players play better against Arsenal? Clearly they do, why?

Every game should be perceived as that big, every game, do that and you get the performances, don't and you get what we have now, mid table mediocrity.



Why then are we neglecting a simple but very key area? It doesn't make sense. Athletes in other sports mentally prepare, a 100 metre runner mentally runs the race before the start, what does a footballer do, have a laugh and a joke and a few late words from a manager that do nothing to change the individuals perceived game importance.

Motivation is not the same as changing a persons perception and it's frustrating that the obvious is blind to the closed minds running the club. This is something that senior management should be taking on board as part of the clubs future.

There are hardly any downsides but the upside is massive especially as we would be seen as world leaders and innovative.

Now that opens up a whole new world of sponsorship opportunities, being world renown for innovation and the transformation of football coaching.


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SteveH

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in the main they are all as thick as two short planks - we may need to have an entrance exam
 
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Gilzeanking

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Well , I have seen that on here there is endless miles of opinion re the tactics .

EG If player A plays 5 yards to the left he'll surely blossom etc etc . All interesting stuff , but the less tangible and probably more important issue of the player's motivation can often be only given minor consideration .

Certainly something is up with our mental approach to many games .
 

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SlunkSoma

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Makes sense to me. Not sure if you need to be 'smart' to achieve what they are saying, just be trained to react differently. Remains to be seen how much difference that can make. Our problem is that we have too many players who revert to doing what they are comfortable with (giving away the ball, fouling in the box, charging forward, switching off at corners etc). Maybe we collectively need to adapt to the premier league. We don't have that much PL game time in the first XI, compared to most other teams.
 

Dharmabum

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http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.no/2014/10/spurs-should-learn-from-belgian.html

Spurs should learn from Belgian football coach

Kevin McGreskin, technical director at elite performance coaching specialists Soccer Eye Q explains that coaches often don't understand football is a cognitive sport.

"I think that coaches either forget, or don't even realise, that football is a hugely cognitive sport. "We've got to develop the players' brains as well as their bodies but it's much easier to see and measure the differences we make to a player's physiology than we can with their cognitive attributes."
For those unsure of what a cognitive function is a quick extract from Wikipedia may help.

In science, cognition is the set of all mental abilities and processes related to knowledge: attention, memory & working memory, judgement & evaluation, reasoning & "computation", problem solving & decision making, comprehension & production of language, etc. Cognition is by humans conscious and unconscious, concrete or abstract, as well as intuitive (like knowledge of a language) and conceptual (like a model of a language). Cognitive processes use existing knowledge and generate new knowledge.

The science is embraced in other sports but virtually ignored in football because it isn't how how coaching has been done before. But Tottenham have had too many weak minded individuals of late to ignore the mental side of the game any longer.

Pochettino is talking about improving the mentality, Kaboul is talking about improving the mentality, not the skills, the mentality because the mentality of players that is causing us our problems and that is caused by buying players with a fingers crossed attitude.

Belgian football coach Michel Bruyninckx is the leader in the field of cognitive football coaching, coaching the brain to be a better tool than it was before. He designs football coaching programmes to improve a players brain and tests have proved it works.
"We need to develop an engram -- a neurological track -- in the brain. We always thought that sporting activities were mechanical activities, but we know that there are interventions from the brain."
Closed minds won't accept such an approach but working with a players football skills in a way that is specifically designed to train the brain ought to be embraced. This lot we have now could certainly do with it.

The eye for instance can mislead so how many players undertake visualisation training? Training to be more aware of what is around, be it space, team mates or opposition. The best players have the best visualisation, they know where everyone is.It's not hard to continually look around to refresh your memory but players don't do it and then have to take too long to make a decision.

That is just one minor way a player can improve with the right training that he simply doesn't get now and is left to his own devises to learn, if he even realises he needs to.

I'm all for making Tottenham players the best they can be and have no problem buying young to improve, but then you have to coach every aspect, even those that are being coached now to get the best out of players and maximise returns.

The quicker you can improve a player the better but football coaching is still stuck in the dark ages in many respects.

- See more at: http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.no...-learn-from-belgian.html#sthash.JfODTEMg.dpuf
 

ItsBoris

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Obviously strong psychology is extremely important in any sport, and we should not only be developing it, but also identifying it in players we recruit. There are a lot of other issues too though.

Unfortunately, I think there is a general incompetence throughout the club - from top to bottom. Incompetent people recruit other incompetent people which makes the problem even worse. What I think needs sorting out is this:

1.) We need a much better player identification and recruitment system. We need to invest in the best talent scouts in the world and build a much bigger global scouting network.

2.) We should give any manager time and not sack them without a replacement lined up. However, when a manager who has a record of proven success becomes available we should take the opportunity to hire them. For example, Carlo Ancelotti was available and willing to manage us after he was sacked by Chelsea and while Redknapp was still our manager. Instead of taking the obviously superior manager, we decided to stick with Redknapp, but just ended up sacking him shortly after that. By that time, Ancelotti had already gone to PSG.

3.) Like the op points out, we need to recognize that the mentality and psychology of the players is as important as their ability and we need to strive to develop that along with their physical skills.

4.) We need to invest in quality players in every position, not leave gaping holes in certain positions like we always do. With a better scouting system we should be able to do that without breaking the bank.

Unfortunately, I don't think the capacity exists with the people currently running the club to do this effectively. So I doubt we'll see any kind of significant improvement. I'm starting to think that the problem is actually higher up, and that what we really need is a better chairman (someone like Nicola Cortese imo).
 

Hoddtastic72

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F**king Psychologists trying to get themselves about everywhere...George Best and Paul Gascoigne (admittedly both flawed geniuses) didn't need the help of Psyches to rip opposing teams a new one.

The true answer to our problem is, I believe, good players who want to win more than the opposing team want to win + a manager/coach who can bring that out in the team
 

Dharmabum

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[QUOTE="Hoddtastic72, post: 4304615, member: 21713]
F**king Psychologists trying to get themselves about everywhere...George Best and Paul Gascoigne (admittedly both flawed geniuses) didn't need the help of Psyches to rip opposing teams a new one.

The true answer to our problem is, I believe, good players who want to win more than the opposing team want to win + a manager/coach who can bring that out in the team[/QUOTE]

And it's with exactly that attitude English/British football started to lag behind the rest of the world in developing their football talents...:cool:
 

Hoddtastic72

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[QUOTE="Hoddtastic72, post: 4304615, member: 21713]
F**king Psychologists trying to get themselves about everywhere...George Best and Paul Gascoigne (admittedly both flawed geniuses) didn't need the help of Psyches to rip opposing teams a new one.

The true answer to our problem is, I believe, good players who want to win more than the opposing team want to win + a manager/coach who can bring that out in the team

And it's with exactly that attitude English/British football started to lag behind the rest of the world in developing their football talents...:cool:[/QUOTE]
Probably more to do with growth of Premier League and the huge influx of mediocre foreign players why English/British football is lagging behind rest of the world than there being a lack of focus on Psychological aspects of Footy players
 

SugarRay

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Football intelligence is very different to "real" intelligence.

Same with Boxing. Muhammad Ali was thick as pigs shit. Forget all the soundbites and well rehearsed quips and quotes, his IQ was very low. Put him in a Boxing ring and give him puzzles to solve, the man was a fucking genius.

All pyscologists ever seem to do is point out the effing obvious.
 
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