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Discussion in 'The New Stadium' started by dimiSpur, Jan 17, 2011.
We'll still have the derbies against Barnet and Orient, to be fair.
Ive never even lived in London, let alone Tottenham, but I really cant stand the idea of moving away from the area.
Ive also got this image that the OS will just be a huge corporate place full with plastic fans. Ive got nothing to back this up, but if I want that Ill go to more England games.
One more thing, fair enough we'll be Tottenham Hotspur in name, but thats all.
It most definitely will, but the NDP or any other new ground will be just as bad.
Growing up in Camden in the late 60's early 70's how did North Londoners arrive at their club?
My dad brought me, a route many have taken, but also we hopped on the bus and went to the game with mates, paid our 15p to get in the shelf and we were spurs for life.
This was repeated all over London with all its clubs. But the we are n17 people with their 'we are surrendering north london" crap fail to see the game has changed, having views set in concrete will not change that.
The kids today can't hop on a bus like we did in my day, they can't get a ticket to a match like we did, they choose their team in a very different way.
Success and TV is the way kids today pick their team, from Darlington to Dover most school kids will pick one of the top 4 its as simple as that.
Spurs have played some fantastic stuff this past 18 months, our champions league exploits alone will have attracted many a young lad to choose Tottenham as his team.
They will not be picking Spurs because of a bloody post code!
If the NDP dosn't go ahead and we had a choice of Enfield, Cheshunt or Stratford i would choose Stratford every time. The site has everything, its the reason Levy and the board are so keen on it.
Like it or not football is a business, Man City's board made a business decision to move to the COM stadium, their fans were not keen at first but now love the place.
To Dare is to Do.
Its not really a lost opportunistic since the board have taken the opportunity but its not in our hands. As for the financially viability of the NDP, what I would like to know why all of sudden has it become not financially viable? The club have spent a lot of time and money on the NDP and have put in a lot of effort in getting the planning permission for the NDP and since its been granted Levy has decided we can't afford it. I know unexpected costs arise but I want Levy explain what these are? Or is the real reason is that some cheaper alternative has come up.
Even in the old days people supported times largely because of two things, success on the pitch or their father/family tradition.
My dad was born in Ireland but grew up in the 60s/70s in West London Shepherd's Bush.
My granddad was not a football fan, a boxer and boxing fan and also something of a rugby man. He did however have season tickets at Loftus Road through out the 60s and used to take my dad to the matches.
QPR were a lower league club then though, so while my dad 'liked them' he still looked further a field for 'his club'.
He told me he went to White Hart Lane with a bunch of kids from work and instantly fell in love with the club, the second he entered the ground and was hit by the wave of noise from the passionate support.
Obviously the 60's being a time highly successful for Spurs, they were something like the Man Utd of the time (winning the double in 61 and having such stars as Greaves and Blanchflower, playing the beautiful game and flying high in Europe too)
So the clubs success probably played a very large role in my dad supporting the club at the time, although he would never admit as such.
Even back then people would chose their club depending on how successful they were, I am not saying it was the only way or even the most common way...just that as it is today it has always been to an extent.
Now days football has branched out, assess via TV with Sky means a kid can pretty much choose to support whoever he likes and from my experience more kids choose to support the top teams than choose their local or family team (sad but true)
I grew up in West London during the 90's (I am old enough to remember football from 1988)
Even though I lived in West London I knew and saw (and still do to this day) many more Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool fans than I ever saw Chelsea, Qpr, Brentford or Fulham....ok since the 2000's there has been a stark increase in Chelsea fans but that only further highlights the draw success brings.
I went to uni in Birmingham in the early 2000's, even there I saw and met/knew more Arsenal, Liverpool and Man U fans than I ever saw Villa, Birmingham or West Brom.
But more so in London, as the capitial is so upwardly mobile, traditional families supporting their local clubs have moved to Surrey, Kent or Essex, go down tottenham high road midweek and you don't really get the feeling it's a Spurs area, I see more Arsenal shirts walking down the high road midweek than I do spurs ones in truth.
I really don't think Spurs moving to Stratford will have any kind of negative impact in it's ability to attract new fans, the clubs success on the pitch will account for that....if we continue to progress and succeed we will attract a whole new fan base if not they will continue to support the more successful clubs, it's just a fact of sport support.
The only negative impact is if current fans turn their back on the club should it leave, if 5k current passionate spurs fans decide the no longer associate Tottenham Hotspur fc with the club they love and remove their support from it they will also be likely to lose their children and their children's children who will either support an FC HOTSPUR type club or choose whichever club is the most successful come the time.
I really hope that if we do move to Stratford, once it is set and done and there is no more protesting to be had because the move is final those who oppose the move will reevaulate their position and decide that even though they hate the move to Stratford their love for the club transcends their bitterness for the move and we do not lose elimantes of our core support and their children and generations of Spurs fans to come.
I will miss the pubs, the atmosphere, meeting up with people and sitting in a tight cafe or kebab shop enjoying great food, local restuarants such as the kebab house (Pako's) opposite the garage.
The problem with this country is that its full of hypocrites that bang on about planning and keeping tradition helping small business etc. The reality is no one gives s ***.
There is something special about these places around the lane that makes it part of THFC. That will all change when we move.
I would prefer to stay where we are but if we are going to move at least it will be to a football stadium. West ham will be totally fooked!!!
Speaking of tight cafes.....
One of my earliest Spurs memories comes from 1990 just before World cup '90. Before the game my dad and I were in that little cafe behind the park lane end of the stadium and we were talking to an old guy who must have been in his 90s (or maybe seemed older to me because I was 9 or 10 only)
He was alone and had been going to Spurs games forever, for half hour before the game we sat there and he told us stories about spurs pre war all the way through to the 60s and what not.
Was very interesting and it highlights the magic of football, disposable friends that for one game you have the common bond of Spurs with and can talk as if you are part of the same family or close friends as a result.
I never saw that old boy at the club again but I did see him on the TV coverage of Italia 90 in Italy supporting England dressed in St George cross clothing ( I remember him telling us he was going to Italy to support England)
The protest today... can anyone give us any news on that? How is it going?
I heard there were about 20 people there at 2 o'clock. We Are N17 has already said that they weren't going to protest, having met with Daniel Levy.
Called off at 12 that ok
There didn't seem to be much anti-Stratford chanting on Saturday. A little bit at the start and slightly more towards the end of the game but certainly not a majority of the crowd. May have been because it was quiet in general but if the fans want to show they are against Stratford they're going to have to get alot more organised at some point.
You mean apart from the balloons :shrug:
But they only made a noise when you busted them
:grin: They were rubbish!
I'm not for a minute saying there isn't a groundswell of opinion against Stratford but at the moment it isn't very visible.
One or two chants and about 50 balloons wouldn't convince me of the fans opinions.
Interesting views on what's happening.
Do we know when a decision will be made by the Olympic Committee people?
Not really, should be this week but they might just put it back again.
There seems to be an air of disbelief around the ground IMO. I know someone who sits in the Paxton, and he tells me that no one is taking the move seriously as they all believe its a Levy plot to get Haringey council to drop their demands/land prices.
I get that feeling as well. I don't think alot of fans realise how serious this move is.
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