[The big clear out] How much money can we raise ?

[Adam]

how?

Been told from a very good source that this is how Stoke conduct their business-offer much bigger initial fee but then cant afford the wages. Some of the price difference between Stoke's and the next biggest club's offer goes to the player to reconcile drop in wages. All three parties therefore get what they want

 

[yid-down-under]

Ok heres my take:

Gomes- Out of contract and if in the unlikely situation of being offered a new one, will probably turn it down. He has lost the confidence of the management and is now 3rd choice keeper. He will leave so that he can be first choce somewhere. RELEASED

Cudicini- Out of contract, probably not going to be offered a new one but if he is, will probably accept. However, next season he's more likely to be 3rd choice if/when we bring someone else in. RELEASED

Corluka- Likely to be sold especially following some of his comments towards the end of the season. The loan deal with Leverkusen is rumoured to have a buy-on clause attached. If not theres rumour of Dynamo Kiev after him. He still has 2 years on his contract. 5-6 Million

King- Out of contract. He's having Knee surgery in the summer and i bet his progress in rehab will determine if he gets a new contract or not. ? RELEASED

Bassong- With the possible signing of Vertonghen and return of Caulker he's even more than unlikely to get the game tim he craves. He still has 2 years on his contract. 4-5 Million

Nelsen- Out of contract, only used as back up and IMO not likely to be offered a new one. RELEASED

Pienaar- Same as with Charlie. A likely buy-on clause, probably equally what we paid for him, with Everton. 3 Million

Bentley- Unbelievably still has 2 years on his contract. I think the best thing for him would be to loan him out for the season again (West ham??) with an agreement in place to have him sign permanently at the end of the loan for a reduced price. 3-5 Million

Jenas- With the emergence of Livermore and return (hopefully) to full fitness of Huddlestone i can see him leaving. Still has a year on his contract. 3 Million

Gio- Similar situation to that of Bents, but more likeley to leave on a permenant deal if Levy is reasonable about the fee and Gio reasonable about the destination. Still has a yer on his contract. 4-5 Million

Kranjcar- Not as obvious as some to be leaving but the lack of game time when the likes of Lennon, Bale and VDB were injured may led him to pastures new. Again, Kiev are said to be interested and he only has a year left on his contract. 5 Million

Saha- Similar situation to Nelsen but more likely to stay than the Kiwi, however with Harry looking to the signing of Adebayour and Remy, coupled with his twitter comments, i can see him off too. RELEASED

Defoe- Of all these names he's the one i would least want to leave. I think he makes a great impact coming off the bench. However he's pubically said he wants more game time and being a Harry favourite with 2 years left on his contract; i can't see him leaving on the cheap. ? 8-10 Million

 

[Adam]

You really think we are going to get rid of 13 players?

 

[RichieS]

You really think we are going to get rid of 13 players?

Given that 5 of them are out of contract, I don't think it's that unreasonable. Defoe, Pienaar, Bassong, Gio, Corluka and maybe Kranjcar all want to leave as well, which means they may be more willing to take a hit on their wages to move. Jenas and Bentley we might struggle to shift.

The 25 man squad rule means we'll have to move quite a few players on, plus we need to keep the wage bill down. We could get rid of those 13 and bring in maybe 4 (we've certainly started early this year!) and still have a stronger 25 next year than we did this.

 

[OmarsComing]

Lol Pienaar £3m + we bought Corluka for £8m

 

[vegassd]

Lol Pienaar £3m + we bought Corluka for £8m

What does that matter? We bought Bentley for 16m but that doesn't mean we can sell him for 16m.

A player (like anything) is only worth what somebody is willing to pay for them.

 

[OmarsComing]

What does that matter? We bought Bentley for 16m but that doesn't mean we can sell him for 16m.

A player (like anything) is only worth what somebody is willing to pay for them.

A poster above said that he would have a buy out clause for the amount we paid for him

 

[WhiteHart4Ever]

Ok heres my take:

Gomes- Out of contract and if in the unlikely situation of being offered a new one, will probably turn it down. He has lost the confidence of the management and is now 3rd choice keeper. He will leave so that he can be first choce somewhere. RELEASED

Cudicini- Out of contract, probably not going to be offered a new one but if he is, will probably accept. However, next season he's more likely to be 3rd choice if/when we bring someone else in. RELEASED

Corluka- Likely to be sold especially following some of his comments towards the end of the season. The loan deal with Leverkusen is rumoured to have a buy-on clause attached. If not theres rumour of Dynamo Kiev after him. He still has 2 years on his contract. 5-6 Million

King- Out of contract. He's having Knee surgery in the summer and i bet his progress in rehab will determine if he gets a new contract or not. ? RELEASED

Bassong- With the possible signing of Vertonghen and return of Caulker he's even more than unlikely to get the game tim he craves. He still has 2 years on his contract. 4-5 Million

Nelsen- Out of contract, only used as back up and IMO not likely to be offered a new one. RELEASED

Pienaar- Same as with Charlie. A likely buy-on clause, probably equally what we paid for him, with Everton. 3 Million

Bentley- Unbelievably still has 2 years on his contract. I think the best thing for him would be to loan him out for the season again (West ham??) with an agreement in place to have him sign permanently at the end of the loan for a reduced price. 3-5 Million

Jenas- With the emergence of Livermore and return (hopefully) to full fitness of Huddlestone i can see him leaving. Still has a year on his contract. 3 Million

Gio- Similar situation to that of Bents, but more likeley to leave on a permenant deal if Levy is reasonable about the fee and Gio reasonable about the destination. Still has a yer on his contract. 4-5 Million

Kranjcar- Not as obvious as some to be leaving but the lack of game time when the likes of Lennon, Bale and VDB were injured may led him to pastures new. Again, Kiev are said to be interested and he only has a year left on his contract. 5 Million

Saha- Similar situation to Nelsen but more likely to stay than the Kiwi, however with Harry looking to the signing of Adebayour and Remy, coupled with his twitter comments, i can see him off too. RELEASED

Defoe- Of all these names he's the one i would least want to leave. I think he makes a great impact coming off the bench. However he's pubically said he wants more game time and being a Harry favourite with 2 years left on his contract; i can't see him leaving on the cheap. ? 8-10 Million

I hope Piennar will be with us next season, but if he isn't I'd say he'd be worth 8 million easily. Had a great second half of the season with Everton, and if we don't want him should be interesting prospect for other clubs with a bit of spending power, the Spammers, Fulham or QPR maybe in London, or pretty much any other mid table Premier League club. We should also be able to get decent money for Corluka, though I'm less certain about Bassong.

 

[guiltyparty]

There's more chance of us selling Parker than Huddlestone

If Henderson is £20m+, how much is a fit Huddlestone worth in Levy's eyes? And who would be prepared to pay it?

Exactly

 

[ghetto_spur]

Hudd will be a useful player for us next season.

Mark my words.

 

[spudtrader]

I think something that should not be dismissed with this list is the amount of wages Rethings scenario would clear.

I think most of these players are around £30k/wk other than Pienaar at £70k/wk (that's what I've always heard) and Townsend and Rose. Some will make a little more and some will make a little less, so let's just take that £30k/wk as an average against those listed. That's £1.6m for the year. I won't include Hudd, who I think coming off injury wouldn't command anything so is unlikely to leave. That leaves 8 players at £1.6m or £12.8. That's a chunk of change. We add in Pienaar at £3.5m and that's £16m. Massive. That leaves a lot of room to pay higher wages. We could replace 9 players, only Defoe being a consistent contributor, and get 4 players at £4m a year or £77k/wk. £77k/wk doesn't compete with the petro clubs, but it can get us some damn good player. Now I know that won't happen, but the exercise shows how a clearout could be beneficial in more ways than one. Although I do agree with the poster who said we don't do clearouts. But an interesting thought.

We won't have been paying half the players' wages that you took into account by the end of last season. I dont think offloading the players frees up as much funds as people are hoping. Especially when you consider how much we bought them for. Net loss of around £20m at a glance.

I agree that a clearout is needed, and is a real possibility, but i think it would only support maybe one 70k/w player, not the 4 that you talk of.

For the record, i don't want Pienaar to leave, and cant see Defoe/Hudd/townsend leaving.

 

[m*****73]

The problem with these kind of predictions is that it's impossible to take into account the difference that exists between Levy's valuation of those players and the price that other clubs are prepared to pay for our 'deadwood'.

For example, we should've sold Bentley for the £8m-£10m that was supposedly on the table from Birmingham (or was it West Ham?) two seasons ago. However, Levy doesn't want to approve such a significant write-down on a player whose transfer (£16m from Blackburn) he had previously sanctioned. It makes him look bad. So, what happens? We hold on to Bentley, try to recoup some of his wages via loan deals, and wait until his contract runs out. Same thing will probably happen with Gomes, Gio & Jenas.

Yep, our chairman really is the smartest guy in the room...

 

[m*****73]

And all the time, we talk to Dzeko, Mata, Hazard, Llorente, Leandro.... but nothing happens. So time passes, and the player's valuation increases, and they end up going to City or Chelsea or wherever for alot more in transfer fees and wages than we could pay. And in order to justify their lack of action, the club trot out the old line... "well, we couldn't afford him, those other clubs are paying too much". Of course that ignores the rationale that if we'd acted more quickly rather than just kicking tyres, trying to get some knock-down deal, we could've signed those players before they ended up being worth £50m.

But never worry, because if we can't make it into the top 3 in the league after signing Parker and Adebayor (a City reject on loan), and then "strengthened" in the January window with Saha and Nelsen, we can just blame good ol' Harry...

 

[kungfugrip]

Is Corluka really no better than £2m, as I see from a few people? I'd be expecting £6m, if not more, if we did sell him.

Surely Corluka has got to be worth £7m - £8m?? Only 26, Premiership and Champions League experience, regular full back and 54 caps for Croatia, the 8th best ranked team in the world??

 

[Davo99]

Bassong £5m
Corluka £5m
Jenas £2m
Bentley £3m
dos Santos £4m
Gomes Free
Cudicini Free
Pienaar £5m


Pure guesswork, however Levy always manages to surprise me with how much he gets for the players we sell.

 

[Deleted member 22380]

Gomes Free - Out of Contract and also coming off a major injury;
Bentley Free/Loan - Given his injury & form problems over the past three seasons and his high wages, I very much doubt their will be much interest in him. I can see him only appealing to Championship teams or newly promoted EPL team like West Ham. And it is likely they only want him on loan;
Jenas Free/Loan - As per Bentley, no one is going to buy him unless he proves his fitness first given he is coming off a major injury that pretty much kept him out of the entire season. He will be loaned out again;
Saha Free - Out of Contract;
Dos Santos £4m - We will be lucky to get what we paid for given he hasn't played much over the past three seasons;
Bassong £3m - I think that was the rumoured agreed fee with QPR on deadline day before the deal got cancelled after Gary Cahill deal fell through;
Kranjcar £5m - Rumoured to be as part of £10m double deal with Corluka to some Russian club;
Corluka £5m - Rumoured to be as part of £10m double deal with Kranjcar to some Russian club;
Cudicini Free - Out of contract;
Rose £1m - If we do sell him it will be to a Championship club. He hasn't really proven himself at PL level and therefore doesn't really have high value despite his youth;
Falque Free/Loan - Couldn't get a game for Southamption. Will be loaned out again or released;
Nelsen Free - Out of Contract;
Pienaar £6m - Given his good loan spell, we should get a decent fee from Everton.

I actually don't mind if we get little to no transfer fees for Bentley and Jenas as long as we get their wages off our books to free up space for the new incomings including hopefully a permanent transfer of Adebayor.
Others mentioned in this thread but imo won't leave
Huddlestone - Will be worked back into the first team slowly.
Defoe - We still need him even if we buy two strikers.
King - He will be signed on pay as you play deal or offerred a coaching role.

 

[Grey Fox]

You can add another tenner to Gio's price scored another goal for Mexico last night

 

[brasil_spur]

What Levy expects we will get (and won't):

Gomes - FREE, Cudicini - FREE, Corluka - £8m, Bassong - £8m, Bentley - £6m, Jenas - £6m, Kranjcar - £8m, GdS - £8m, Pienaar - £8m - TOTAL: £52m

What i think we will get and should take no matter what:

Gomes - FREE, Cudicini - FREE, Corluka - £6m, Bassong - £5m, Bentley - FREE, Jenas - £2m, Kranjcar - £4m, GdS - £4m, Pienaar - £6m - TOTAL: £27m

 

[lukespurs7]

Realistically, given our Danny's expert negotiating skills, what would be the best case scenario money wise on the following players ... Surely we can take advantage of rich Russian interest or prem clubs desperate for quality players??

im going for what I think are worst case scenarios here

Gomes - 2-3m
Corluka - 2-3m
Rose 2-3m
Bassong 2-3m
Jenas - 4m
Giovanni - 4m
Pienaar - 7m
Townsend 1m
Huddlestone (maybe) 6m
Bentley 2-3m
Krancjar 7m
Defoe - 8m



Clearly Nelson, Gallas, Saha and possibly King wouldnt get us anything , so I'm concentrating on those that have potential sell on value

Id imagine this little lot would get us 50m ish even at worst case ?

Am I being realistic here?

Would not get rid of Rose or Huddlestone no way.
Krancjar will be more like 4-5mil and Defoe may be worth keeping one more year at least.

 

[kildonandan]

No one will pay money for David Bentley.
Rose, Hud and Defoe are good squad players.
Nico deserves to play football somewhere same as JJ, as for the rest your talking pennies....