The Biggest obstacle to young British coaches is old British coaches

[worcestersauce]

So much for Everton's brave new world, I bet the fans will be thrilled with this, dear oh dear oh dear.
No way Ross Barclay is going to look at this appointment and want to sign a new contract though.

 

[riggi]

Perhaps young British managers ought to go and coach abroad.

Quite a few do, don't they?

 

[Shadydan]

Old boys club strikes again.

 

[worcestersauce]

Quite a few do, don't they?

I'm not aware of many, I know the recent Scandinavian one and there must surely be some more but are there any in Spain, Germany, France or Italy? I don't know of any, perhaps the pay scales in our lower leagues are sufficient for them.

 

['O Zio]

Quite a few do, don't they?

There's a couple of relatively unheard of people but you very very rarely get an English PL manager going abroad. Same applies to players by and large.

 

['O Zio]

Personally I don't know why more players don't go abroad, especially lower league ones. As a random example, why play in a shithole like Rotherham when you could go and play in the Spanish/French/Italian lower leagues? It'll still be a shit club, but at least you get to live in a beautiful seaside town with nice weather etc. rather than fucking Rotherham

 

[VegasII]

Hodgson, Moyes, Pardew and Allardyce - it's revenge of the dinosaurs!

Maybe we better keep Harry Redknapp on alert!

 

[Shadydan]

Pardew, Allerdyce, Moyes and Hodgson all back in the league, fucking hell, half expecting Redknapp to be given the Newcastle job when Rafa leaves

Bet the PFM movement will love this.

 

[Danners9]

Matt Hughes‏ @MattHughesTimes 4m4 minutes ago
Tough times for Tony Pulis, who is probably deliberating over whether to take Swansea or wait for West Ham to come up again.... Heady days for middle aged British managers...

Just an opinion, and a tongue in cheek one at that, but if/when Clement is dismissed, I'd expect to see Pulis at the top of the list of candidates. Eager to get back into management, safe/steady and available etc etc. Then it will be 'proper football man', 'treated harshly at West Brom' (despite the abysmal run that led to his sacking), 'knows the game', 'will stop them shipping goals'. The usual.

Again though, not a surprise if it happens in the next few weeks. Clubs rightly want someone to come in and do the same thing they always have and get the team firing straight away. There's no time for a project or a risk.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

You would think some of these clubs might just look at what clubs like Southampton, Leicester, Watford and maybe even Bournemouth have done. All of whom have outperformed the clubs that keep appointing these so called "safe hand" managers.

Would these clubs really be any worse off now if they'd left DeBoer or Koeman in place to work through the problems. Look at DeBoer, no Zaha, Benteke etc and Palace's results have barely picked up at all, same Everton, they've been worse under Unsworth, the problems (and I said this in the other people's transfer thread) were clearly one of losing a uber striker and being a shit load of players that all need time to settle and assimilate into some kind of team.

Everyone keeps going on about Dyche, but all he's done is organise. He's just another Pullis, Allardyce etc. That's fine, but it will always have it's limitations. I'm not sure Eddie Howe is a coaching or tactical genius, but what he's a achieved at Bournemouth is pretty impressive, going through four divisions - at least he has a slightly more ambitious and expansive outlook than merely "organisational fortitude". And he also doesn't act like a king size cock every time he's in front of camera like Dyche does.

 

[Marty]

Matt Hughes‏ @MattHughesTimes 4m4 minutes ago
Tough times for Tony Pulis, who is probably deliberating over whether to take Swansea or wait for West Ham to come up again.... Heady days for middle aged British managers...

Just an opinion, and a tongue in cheek one at that, but if/when Clement is dismissed, I'd expect to see Pulis at the top of the list of candidates. Eager to get back into management, safe/steady and available etc etc. Then it will be 'proper football man', 'treated harshly at West Brom' (despite the abysmal run that led to his sacking), 'knows the game', 'will stop them shipping goals'. The usual.

Again though, not a surprise if it happens in the next few weeks. Clubs rightly want someone to come in and do the same thing they always have and get the team firing straight away. There's no time for a project or a risk.

Pulis will be Swansea's first choice when they sack Clement. The days of Swansea having an identity and winning because of it disappeared when Monk was sacked. Now they're just a run of the mill bottom half PL side trying to avoid relegation. Sad.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Pulis will be Swansea's first choice when they sack Clement. The days of Swansea having an identity and winning because of it disappeared when Monk was sacked. Now they're just a run of the mill bottom half PL side trying to avoid relegation. Sad.

To be honest, I don't think Monk helped, I don't think he could actually coach the philosophy he espoused either.

 

[Marty]

To be honest, I don't think Monk helped, I don't think he could actually coach the philosophy he espoused either.

Maybe not, but they still had enough remaining from the Martinez/Rodgers/Laudrup that the right appointment after Monk could've seen them return to old ways. Instead they've just gone from bad to worse.

 

[UncleBuck]

You would think some of these clubs might just look at what clubs like Southampton, Leicester, Watford and maybe even Bournemouth have done. All of whom have outperformed the clubs that keep appointing these so called "safe hand" managers.

Would these clubs really be any worse off now if they'd left DeBoer or Koeman in place to work through the problems. Look at DeBoer, no Zaha, Benteke etc and Palace's results have barely picked up at all, same Everton, they've been worse under Unsworth, the problems (and I said this in the other people's transfer thread) were clearly one of losing a uber striker and being a shit load of players that all need time to settle and assimilate into some kind of team.

Everyone keeps going on about Dyche, but all he's done is organise. He's just another Pullis, Allardyce etc. That's fine, but it will always have it's limitations. I'm not sure Eddie Howe is a coaching or tactical genius, but what he's a achieved at Bournemouth is pretty impressive, going through four divisions - at least he has a slightly more ambitious and expansive outlook than merely "organisational fortitude". And he also doesn't act like a king size cock every time he's in front of camera like Dyche does.

Dyche actually done a really good job at Watford before they fcuked him over, he’s done really well to get to where he is with Burnley and for that I’ll give him some big kudos.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Dyche actually done a really good job at Watford before they fcuked him over, he’s done really well to get to where he is with Burnley and for that I’ll give him some big kudos.

And I think he makes sure he gets plenty of Kudos, every week some PFM pundit is irately telling they can't believe Dyche isn't getting every job going and how wonderful he is. This is his third season in the PL, he got relegated playing bus park football for one of them, just stayed up paying bus park football for the second one, and he's massively over achieving results wise for the bus park football he's playing again - only one team have less possession than them and only one team have tangibly less shots on target than their 3 per game.

I get that he's managing a club with limited resources, but he's still going about it in the typically "lowest common demoniator type of way" which doesn't really advertise to potential new employers a rounded managerial skill set, just the same, fairly rudimentary skill set that they can get from Pullis, Allardyce, Hodgson et al.

 

[steve]

And I think he makes sure he gets plenty of Kudos, every week some PFM pundit is irately telling they can't believe Dyche isn't getting every job going and how wonderful he is. This is his third season in the PL, he got relegated playing bus park football for one of them, just stayed up paying bus park football for the second one, and he's massively over achieving results wise for the bus park football he's playing again - only one team have less possession than them and only one team have tangibly less shots on target than their 3 per game.

I get that he's managing a club with limited resources, but he's still going about it in the typically "lowest common demoniator type of way" which doesn't really advertise to potential new employers a rounded managerial skill set, just the same, fairly rudimentary skill set that they can get from Pullis, Allardyce, Hodgson et al.

I generally agree with this but having watched them a bit this season they seem to be playing a bit more football and being a bit more creative than previous years.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I generally agree with this but having watched them a bit this season they seem to be playing a bit more football and being a bit more creative than previous years.

I haven't seen loads of full games of theirs (I try not to) but he ones I've seen, I really don't think their football has improved much at all Steve, maybe you've seen more of them and think differently ? they are just massively outscoring their expected goal output based on chances/quality. Like West Ham last year (or was it the year before) when they were having 1 shot a game and scoring two goals. It will catch up with them I reckon.

 

[riggi]

 

[steve]

I haven't seen loads of full games of theirs (I try not to) but he ones I've seen, I really don't think their football has improved much at all Steve, maybe you've seen more of them and think differently ? they are just massively outscoring their expected goal output based on chances/quality. Like West Ham last year (or was it the year before) when they were having 1 shot a game and scoring two goals. It will catch up with them I reckon.

It will catch up with them no doubt, more because they don't have a squad of depth but they're more sophisticated now, play out from the back more, string more controlled passes together and defo play less long ball. I can remember them banging it into channels every chance they got for Gray to chase previously, now they build their attacks more...I don't have a hard on for them or the manager but they have improved.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

It will catch up with them no doubt, more because they don't have a squad of depth but they're more sophisticated now, play out from the back more, string more controlled passes together and defo play less long ball. I can remember them banging it into channels every chance they got for Gray to chase previously, now they build their attacks more...I don't have a hard on for them or the manager but they have improved.