The Brexit Plan to Limit Foreign Players to 12 Per Premier League Club

[Mornstar]

And if it wasn't?

Then its beautiful

 

[kev1nxxx]

Its fuck all to do with Brexit I dont know where thats come from Brexit isnt even a thing yet But you think they are worrying about football clubs???? Jesus get real. Its another media bullshit thing. You voted remain or leave fine but stop bringing it into football. Football is football Spurs is Spurs and the media and politics shite can stay outside as far as Im concerned.

 

[Saoirse]

Uhm, it's got everything to do with Brexit? Right now it would be illegal for us to cap the number of foreign players, you'd have to rely on the "home-grown" thing which is far from perfect (for England e.g. Nabil Bentaleb was homegrown, Eric Dier isn't). And it is down to the FA - the Government allows them to make the decision on permits for footballers and have indicated that won't be changing. So I think this has every chance of happening, and could be a good idea.

As people have pointed out it'll become very expensive to buy English players, so to remain competitive clubs will HAVE to invest in their academies - it's a choice between spending a fortune on mediocre English players or producing the best you can yourself. The clubs who'll be entirely fucked are the likes of Watford and Brentford who decided to scrap their academies and rely on cast-offs and random European journeymen rather than investing in local kids.

The ones I feel sorry for would be lower-league teams who do take their responsibilities seriously but are hampered by the EPPP which allows better acadmies to poach their youngsters for very little - if that isn't changed there'll be a huge rush for them to upgrade their setups ASAP even at the expense of the senior squad I imagine. The big risk for me is that this will lead to the big clubs hoarding anybody who seems to have even a remote chance and farming them everywhere on loan - if this came in at the same time as FIFA's proposed limits on played loaned out and under senior contract it'd be ideal. But the upside will be an unprecedented investment in English youth and that's got to be extremely attractive to the FA.

 

[Lilbaz]

Uhm, it's got everything to do with Brexit? Right now it would be illegal for us to cap the number of foreign players, you'd have to rely on the "home-grown" thing which is far from perfect (for England e.g. Nabil Bentaleb was homegrown, Eric Dier isn't). And it is down to the FA - the Government allows them to make the decision on permits for footballers and have indicated that won't be changing. So I think this has every chance of happening, and could be a good idea.

As people have pointed out it'll become very expensive to buy English players, so to remain competitive clubs will HAVE to invest in their academies - it's a choice between spending a fortune on mediocre English players or producing the best you can yourself. The clubs who'll be entirely fucked are the likes of Watford and Brentford who decided to scrap their academies and rely on cast-offs and random European journeymen rather than investing in local kids.

The ones I feel sorry for would be lower-league teams who do take their responsibilities seriously but are hampered by the EPPP which allows better acadmies to poach their youngsters for very little - if that isn't changed there'll be a huge rush for them to upgrade their setups ASAP even at the expense of the senior squad I imagine. The big risk for me is that this will lead to the big clubs hoarding anybody who seems to have even a remote chance and farming them everywhere on loan - if this came in at the same time as FIFA's proposed limits on played loaned out and under senior contract it'd be ideal. But the upside will be an unprecedented investment in English youth and that's got to be extremely attractive to the FA.

The fa has been wanting to do this since greg dyke was in charge. They are just trying to use brexit as leverage.

 

[Saoirse]

The fa has been wanting to do this since greg dyke was in charge. They are just trying to use brexit as leverage.

It's not leverage so much as the fact that what they want to do is illegal under EU law. You cannot have a criteria that discriminates based on nationality between Europeans. Hence the 'Homegrown Players' rule which isn't technically based on nationality.

 

[Lilbaz]

It's not leverage so much as the fact that what they want to do is illegal under EU law. You cannot have a criteria that discriminates based on nationality between Europeans. Hence the 'Homegrown Players' rule which isn't technically based on nationality.

Yes i know. And dyke wanted to bring in the 12 non homegrown rule when he was at the fa. This will be we will sign off any visa as long as there are only 12 non homegrown players in your team.
They still can't discriminate on foreigners because they could apply for british citizenship and the fa would have no power. As the only power they have is issuing visas or the uefa homegrown rule. At least in regards to the prem who have their own rules and competition.
The fa could ban prem clubs from fa and league cup but that's not really an option.

 

[Saoirse]

Yes i know. And dyke wanted to bring in the 12 non homegrown rule when he was at the fa. This will be we will sign off any visa as long as there are only 12 non homegrown players in your team.
They still can't discriminate on foreigners because they could apply for british citizenship and the fa would have no power. As the only power they have is issuing visas or the uefa homegrown rule. At least in regards to the prem who have their own rules and competition.
The fa could ban prem clubs from fa and league cup but that's not really an option.

They could potentially recommend visas are issued only for players eligible for the national team to avoid those who've just been playing here long enough for citizenship qualifying as non foreign.

 

[Lilbaz]

They could potentially recommend visas are issued only for players eligible for the national team to avoid those who've just been playing here long enough for citizenship qualifying as non foreign.

What about players that don't need visas? We are going to do a deal that eu citizens already here wont need any visa so eu players already here wont need one. If a player has been here for long enough to apply for british citizenship then they wont need one.

The fa cannot dictate what amount of hg players a pl team has that will be up to the pl and uefa for european squads. They can for a squad for league cup or fa cup because that falls into their jurisdiction.

At the moment non eu players have to have played for 30% of their national teams games (if they are a top 30 ranked team) or 75% if not for the fa to recommend them a visa, unless they are a youth player of outstanding talent. Future eu players may be subject to this. The fa is saying that in future they could scrap these requirements if the prem will drop the number of non hg players to 12.

As i said the fa is trying to use brexit as leverage to bring in this proposal.

 

[worcestersauce]

What about players that don't need visas? We are going to do a deal that eu citizens already here wont need any visa so eu players already here wont need one. If a player has been here for long enough to apply for british citizenship then they wont need one.

The fa cannot dictate what amount of hg players a pl team has that will be up to the pl and uefa for european squads. They can for a squad for league cup or fa cup because that falls into their jurisdiction.

At the moment non eu players have to have played for 30% of their national teams games (if they are a top 30 ranked team) or 75% if not for the fa to recommend them a visa, unless they are a youth player of outstanding talent. Future eu players may be subject to this. The fa is saying that in future they could scrap these requirements if the prem will drop the number of non hg players to 12.

As i said the fa is trying to use brexit as leverage to bring in this proposal.

I think you may well be right and the FA is trying use Brexit as leverage to bring in this proposal and it is not a natural consequence of brexit. It may well be however, that brexit will enable them to bring it in where they couldn't do so before. For or against brexit there will be people who will attempt to use it to their advantage.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think you may well be right and the FA is trying use Brexit as leverage to bring in this proposal and it is not a natural consequence of brexit. It may well be however, that brexit will enable them to bring it in where they couldn't do so before. For or against brexit there will be people who will attempt to use it to their advantage.

People will try ofcourse. Everyone will try to make the best for themselves out of it as they can.

I can't see 2/3 of pl clubs voting for it to be passed. Although i could be wrong. I think that if the fa did enforce the visa requirements for non hg onto eu players (future) that could be a good thing. It would mean only the best eu players playing in the prem. Although having 12 non british players might also be good for the game. It will be interesting to see what happens.

In our current squad who would fail? Moura? Lamela? Sissoko? Not sure if they've played 30% of their international team games. Obviously they will be given a visa once britain leaves the eu, more of a question of what type of future player might fail. As i said interesting.

 

[eViL]

Uhm, it's got everything to do with Brexit?

So many would love that to be true but the fact is the Home Office aren't going to turn down 50% of the best football wages in European football - there's no reason not to permit the best players in the world to work in the UK these days regardless of where they are from.

Brexit isn't going to blanket ban all foreigners - it just means we can turn all the criminals and scroungers away finally. Those that can contribute to the economy will still be allowed to live and work here.

Just like when we want to move to Australia..

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

For the record - the Home Office issue work permits which then have to be submitted by the buying club to the FA in order for the FA to register the player. The FA do not issue or influence work permits.

 

[Lilbaz]

For the record - the Home Office issue work permits which then have to be submitted by the buying club to the FA in order for the FA to register the player. The FA do not issue or influence work permits.

The fa with the homeoffice set the criteria for a work permit to be issued. The fa are saying they want to change this criteria.

 

['O Zio]

For the record - the Home Office issue work permits which then have to be submitted by the buying club to the FA in order for the FA to register the player. The FA do not issue or influence work permits.

I'm pretty sure the FA have to endorse the application to the Home Office before all that though

EDIT: From the PL website:

The UK Home Office has a points-based system based on which clubs must apply to The FA for a "Governing Body Endorsement" for such players. (See p563 of the Premier League Handbook (Download PDF; 46.1MB))

If the player does not automatically meet these criteria, the club can request an FA Exceptions Panel consider the player’s experience and value in order to determine whether a Governing Body Endorsement should nevertheless be granted.

 

[DJS]

Tbh would losing llorente Vorm nkoudou Aurier wanyama make a huge difference to us. Sure we could find adequate English replacements.

Might also encourage all teams to take more chances and promote their promising youth players through.

 

['O Zio]

Tbh would losing llorente Vorm nkoudou Aurier wanyama make a huge difference to us. Sure we could find adequate English replacements.

Trouble is, there's already a massive premium on HG players and this will make that 10X worse, so finding adequate replacements won't be as easy as you're suggesting without spending serious money. The other option is to use players from your own academy obviously, but that will obviously be a fairly mixed back in most cases. For every Harry Kane there are thousands of Frazier Campbells

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

The fa with the homeoffice set the criteria for a work permit to be issued. The fa are saying they want to change this criteria.

I'm pretty sure the FA have to endorse the application to the Home Office before all that though

EDIT: From the PL website:

So is it the FA or the Premier League that set it?
They're separate entities and the PL is opposed to limited the number or criteria?

 

['O Zio]

So is it the FA or the Premier League that set it?
They're separate entities and the PL is opposed to limited the number or criteria?

They're separate entities yes but my understanding is that in order to play in the Premier League you still have to be registered with the FA and FIFA etc.

Either way, to get a work visa on the grounds that you're a footballer, the Home Office have certain requirements and it's basically up to the FA to evaluate whether or not the player in question ticks the relevant boxes and if they do, they then endorse the application for a work visa and it gets sent on to the Home Office. So the Home Office don't even look at applications unless they've been endorsed by the FA first. Presumably the reason being that some random civil servant at the HO doesn't necessarily have the expertise to decide all the footballing stuff so it gets filtered out through the FA first before it gets considered by the HO.

 

[luRRka]

Apologies if posted but I found this on reddit. The source is the telegraph.

The Premier League has dismissed Football Association plans to increase the number of home-grown players in squads after Brexit.

The FA wants to reduce the number of non-home-grown players in each 25-man squad from 17 to 13 but, in return, will make it easier for clubs to gain work permits for foreign players. They would need only a Premier League contract.

It is hoped the changes would benefit the England team, allowing more young players to play in the Premier League, with the FA asked to find a new formula by the Home Office to cope with the effects of Brexit. The Premier League can continue with the present system but the FA has established that two-thirds of existing European players in the league would not be eligible for a permit.

However, the Premier League believes that given its value, not least to the Exchequer in taxation, with revenues of £3.3 billion, the Government would not impose harmful restrictions.

A spokesman said: “The Premier League has held a range of conversations with Government and stakeholders regarding the impact on British football of the UK leaving the European Union.

We currently operate rules that limit the number of non-home-grown players clubs can have in senior squads, while also working with clubs to operate a world-leading player development system which delivers for England teams at every level.

“This was demonstrated by the many Premier League club academy and senior players whom FA coaches moulded so well into Under-17 and Under-20 Fifa World Cup winners and men’s Fifa 2018 World Cup semi-finalists.

There is no evidence that stronger quotas than exist now would have a positive impact on national teams.

“We approach this matter in the interests of British football as a whole and have held positive discussions with the EFL [English Football League] and the Scottish Professional Football League, who both agree that Brexit should not be used to weaken playing squads in British football, nor to harm clubs’ ability to sign international players.”

The spokesman added: “Our competition is watched in 189 countries, 700,000 visitors to the UK per season attend a match, clubs employ 12,000 full-time staff and Premier League football generates £3.3 billion per season in taxes"

 

[Lilbaz]

So is it the FA or the Premier League that set it?
They're separate entities and the PL is opposed to limited the number or criteria?

The fa along with the home office set the criteria for the work visas for non eu players. With brexit what the fa are saying is that new eu players will have to meet the same criteria as non eu players do now. The fa are willing to scrap the criteria for a work permit for any foreign player if teams drop the amount of non homegrown players in their squad from 17 to 12.