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whitechina

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I can't see this happening. He'd want his backroom staff and would Berkamp (I know he supported Spurs as a kid- but the gooners just put up a statue of him!) want to come to us? I see them waiting for Wenger to go to be honest.
 

HoltbiusMac

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I'm not sure on FDB.

Positives - he'd command respect and has won trophies. We'd nab a couple of decent players from Ajax no doubt (possible elsewhere in the Dutch league too). Might be able to use his Barca links to get a couple of loans too (depending on their transfer ban). Plus existing relationship with Eriksen and Vertonghen.

Negatives - for all the talk of his playing style some of it is very 'death by a thousand cuts' which looks great when fluid but when it isn't there is frustrating and boring as hell and doesn't necessarily lead to success. Also think our new manager needs to know how to set up a defence and that is one disadvantage of managing a big fish in a small pond - albeit he has achieved some good results in the CL.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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I can't see this happening. He'd want his backroom staff and would Berkamp (I know he supported Spurs as a kid- but the gooners just put up a statue of him!) want to come to us? I see them waiting for Wenger to go to be honest.
I think Berkamp would either get the Ajax job or join Arsenal as a coach. There's no way Berkamp is coming here, and I think FdB would be cool with that.
 

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The doom and gloom comes from knowing that we'll sell 157 players this summer and buy 162 to replace them, we'll get a manager in who only needs to lose one game 3-0 and he'll be sacked, and finally from knowing we had the perfect candidate (in my mind) lined up, our first reall 'big beast' top manager in decades, and then United, who have had the same manager forever, decide to sack Moyes and (probably) get in the very man we're after at exactly the same time as us.

This all comes of course off the back of a vile season of failure and shambolic decisions, of players being shit, being wasted, being too good for us (Lloris, Eriksen), and replacing one failing manager with one who has no clue whatsoever and who was a dead man walking from day one.

There ain't much happyness around Spurs at the moment.
Not sure what makes you think that. Any knowledgeable manager can see that we have the makings of a very good team. Lloris could go yes but I think it would be largely out our control, and even then you'd think Begovic would come in who is a fine keeper. Even DL knows that we don't need an overhaul and he's said that himself. I'm actually of the opinion that we don't need any more attacking players, even with the sales of Lennon & Sigurdsson. The only way we'll have upheaval is if Dim Tim is given his chance to rip up the squad because half of them are foreign.

If the right manager is appointed there will be no more misuse of excellent players such as Lamela, Holtby and Capoue.

And on to another point, not having LVG is very unfortunate, but there's no use in beating ourselves up over it. Let's focus on the job and get that twat Sherwood out and find someone else who knows how to coach a football team.

As for Daniel Levy, he is Daniel Levy and I agree with you. But he's not going to be leaving anytime soon so we've got to deal with it and hope that the new coach gets results quickly. If he sees evidence of good football early on then that might be enough for him to give a new man time even if the results aren't quite there.
 

whitechina

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I think Berkamp would either get the Ajax job or join Arsenal as a coach. There's no way Berkamp is coming here, and I think FdB would be cool with that.
I agreed with this post but feel they're both more likely to go down the High Road
 

Spursh

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Not entirely convinced by FDB

Very hard to judge players or managers on their successes in the Eredivisie. His Ajax side were dismantled 6-1 on aggregate by Red Bull Salzburg, and he just lost the Dutch cup final to PEC Zwolle, 5-1. Of course these may just be anomalies in another title winning season for Ajax, but they are little niggles on his CV. He knows Eriksen and Vertonghen of course, and he is well-schooled in the Ajax philosophy which is always a big plus point.

But to jump from that league to ours, as a manager, is quite a leap. You could argue AVB outperformed him in a slightly stronger league in Portugal, as well as winning the Europa League at a canter, albeit with a stronger squad.

I'd probably be quite happy if we did appoint him, but I just have a few reservations.
 

thinktank

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Not entirely convinced by FDB

Very hard to judge players or managers on their successes in the Eredivisie. His Ajax side were dismantled 6-1 on aggregate by Red Bull Salzburg, and he just lost the Dutch cup final to PEC Zwolle, 5-1. Of course these may just be anomalies in another title winning season for Ajax, but they are little niggles on his CV. He knows Eriksen and Vertonghen of course, and he is well-schooled in the Ajax philosophy which is always a big plus point.

But to jump from that league to ours, as a manager, is quite a leap. You could argue AVB outperformed him in a slightly stronger league in Portugal, as well as winning the Europa League at a canter, albeit with a stronger squad.

I'd probably be quite happy if we did appoint him, but I just have a few reservations.

I watched the first game a couple of times, he had no answers for the pace and incisiveness of their game that day. None. They got annihilated.

I don't think he'd work in the prem right now for us. I'd rather go for Tino who knows what its all about already and has tasted its fierce competitiveness.
 

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He's been at the one club, which has an established structure and clear understanding of what they are doing, and one that he has spent a large part of his life at and knows inside out. It's also a smaller league and less competition. I'd say there were still some question marks. My point was we will have to get a manager with certain 'question marks' against their name.

I would be fine with his appointment though.

Agree with the majority of this, although with regards to the structure - He completely revamped the structure along with Marc Overmars as Tech/Director.

Before he came in, they had begun to move away from their traditional academy approach/model of drilling youngsters in their academy in a certain way to play and had started spending large amounts of cash (relitively) to bring in players.. instead of looking inwards..

He and Overmars essentially took them back to their traditional model which has seen them almost certainly win an unprecedented fourth title in a row...
 

Spursh

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I watched that game a couple of times, he had no answers for the pace and incisiveness of their game that day. None. They got annihilated.

I don't think he's work in the prem right now. I'd rather go for Tino who knows what its all about already and has tasted its fierce competitiveness.

I'm warming to the idea of Pochettino, especially if he brings Lallana with him.

Tuchel is more of a gamble, but I hope we take a serious look at him too. Very promising manager.
 

rabbikeane

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Like Ramos and AVB before them.
Guys like FdB, Pochettino, Tuchel, Yakin and even Simeone -
they'd all be gambles. Might go well, might not.
You'd have to question whether these are the right type for Levy to back at the moment,
when the fans more or less see this as his last chance to get the managerial appointment right.

Levy wanted Ancelotti (pre Madrid), also LvG last xmas, and Benitez has given hints in the past that he'd like to manage us. If we can land someone like this then it's surely the safest option for Levy to take.
 

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Not sure what makes you think that. Any knowledgeable manager can see that we have the makings of a very good team. Lloris could go yes but I think it would be largely out our control, and even then you'd think Begovic would come in who is a fine keeper. Even DL knows that we don't need an overhaul and he's said that himself. I'm actually of the opinion that we don't need any more attacking players, even with the sales of Lennon & Sigurdsson. The only way we'll have upheaval is if Dim Tim is given his chance to rip up the squad because half of them are foreign.

If the right manager is appointed there will be no more misuse of excellent players such as Lamela, Holtby and Capoue.

And on to another point, not having LVG is very unfortunate, but there's no use in beating ourselves up over it. Let's focus on the job and get that twat Sherwood out and find someone else who knows how to coach a football team.

As for Daniel Levy, he is Daniel Levy and I agree with you. But he's not going to be leaving anytime soon so we've got to deal with it and hope that the new coach gets results quickly. If he sees evidence of good football early on then that might be enough for him to give a new man time even if the results aren't quite there.

I'm glad you're so optimistic mate (someone has to be) but I've seen this one too many times now I'm afraid.

Re: the player turnover - Levy simply can't stop himself. If an opportunity turns up to embark on a bit of player exchange nonsense and make a few quid in the process - we'll go for it. Someone near the end of their contract, a young player with a bit of promise, any English kid - we'll have our greasy fingers in all those pies, despite Levy saying we won't.

And a new manager will want to change a certain number of players - even if we might think the squad doesn't need too much work. It's just the way it is with us.

I look forward to another summer of being linked with and probably buying another swathe of random foreign blokes and maybe the odd young English kid, whilst selling a whole load of 'deadwood' as well as a series of players I'd like to stay.

Spursy innit.
 

thinktank

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I'm warming to the idea of Pochettino, especially if he brings Lallana with him.

Tuchel is more of a gamble, but I hope we take a serious look at him too. Very promising manager.
I think our players are gonna need someone they can instantly invest in and be confident of their ability (especially the ones we don't want to flee).

Don't think Tuchel would do that as an relatively unknown quantity.
 

Spursh

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I think our players are gonna need someone they can instantly invest in and be confident of their ability (especially the ones we don't want to flee).

Don't think Tuchel would do that as an relatively unknown quantity.

I understand your point, and that's why he's more of a gamble, but managers can only garner respect if they are given a chance. Pochettino was and to an extent, still is an unknown quantity, especially compared to the likes of Van Gaal and Benitez. Luckily for him and FdB, their playing backgrounds are superior to Tuchel's, so they've automatically got a higher reputation. But I don't think either have particularly achieved more than the German as a manager, although Pochettino has managed in the PL which is an advantage and FdB has managed Eriksen and Vertonghen previously too.

I think all three carry a similar risk, and I'm not sure whether Levy is willing to take such a gamble again after AVB. Suspect Benitez will be the prime candidate after Van Gaal.

Here's an excellent interview with Tuchel (in two parts, 1st: 16:50, 2st: 39:30). Speaks perfect English of course...

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/5live/5lspecials/5lspecials_20131010-2100a.mp3
 

thinktank

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I understand your point, and that's why he's more of a gamble, but managers can only garner respect if they are given a chance. Pochettino was and to an extent, still is an unknown quantity, especially compared to the likes of Van Gaal and Benitez. Luckily for him and FdB, their playing backgrounds are superior to Tuchel's, so they've automatically got a higher reputation. But I don't think either have particularly achieved more than the German as a manager, although Pochettino has managed in the PL which is an advantage and FdB has managed Eriksen and Vertonghen previously too.

I think all three carry a similar risk, and I'm not sure whether Levy is willing to take such a gamble again after AVB. Suspect Benitez will be the prime candidate after Van Gaal.

No Spaniard was mentioned on Greyfox's sexy little shortlist.;)
 

whitelanefever

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I think our players are gonna need someone they can instantly invest in and be confident of their ability (especially the ones we don't want to flee).

Don't think Tuchel would do that as an relatively unknown quantity.
If you ever seen one of Tuchel's training sessions you'd think otherwise, he's the real deal & rated in just as high regard as Klopp by many in Germany.
He has done a brilliant job at Mainz, a club Klopp got relegated with & failed to get them promoted & Tutchel has turned them into a team regurlarly challenging for european qualification. Holtby has played under him & refered to him as a genius & an amazing coach.
The players would be well aware of his reputation & if some did'nt he'd win them round on the training ground in no time.
Another point is when Guardiola had his yr off he went to watch his training sessions to study what he was doing, Tutchel is a new breed of coach who trains the brain just as much as the body.
Would be my first choice ahead of Van Gal.
 
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