The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[thinktank]

Just edited my post above to include an excellent interview with Tuchel

Fuck me, it's 50mins long. lol Will listen later.

 

[thinktank]

If you ever seen one of Tuchel's training sessions you'd think otherwise, he's the real deal & rated in just as high regard as Klopp by many in Germany.
He has done a brilliant job at Mainz, a club Klopp got relegated with & failed to get them promoted & Tutchel has turned them into a team regurlarly challenging for european qualification. Holtby has played under him & refered to him as a genius & an amazing coach.
The players would be well aware of his reputation & if some did'nt he'd win them round on the training ground in no time.
Another point is when Guardiola had his yr off he went to watch his training sessions to study what he was doing, Tutchel is a new breed of coach who trains the brain just as much as the body.
Would be my first choice ahead of Van Gal.

Sounds sexy. Will research him.

 

[only1waddle]

No Spaniard was mentioned on Greyfox's sexy little shortlist.

Where's the list TT?

 

[thinktank]

Where's the list TT?

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...er-tottenham-job.106092/page-280#post-3984786

 

[Lukasz]

If you ever seen one of Tuchel's training sessions you'd think otherwise, he's the real deal & rated in just as high regard as Klopp by many in Germany.
He has done a brilliant job at Mainz, a club Klopp got relegated with & failed to get them promoted & Tutchel has turned them into a team regurlarly challenging for european qualification. Holtby has played under him & refered to him as a genius & an amazing coach.
The players would be well aware of his reputation & if some did'nt he'd win them round on the training ground in no time.
Another point is when Guardiola had his yr off he went to watch his training sessions to study what he was doing, Tutchel is a new breed of coach who trains the brain just as much as the body.
Would be my first choice ahead of Van Gal.

Interesting, I wonder if he could be on Levy's list.

 

[Spurger King]

Got to be better than Andre de Bore.

That's my one, pitiful contribution to this thread.

 

[whitelanefever]

Interesting, I wonder if he could be on Levy's list.

Considering Levy knows feck all about football & everything is agent driven nowadays I doubt it.
He should be & so to should Slaven Bilic.
Personally I think if it's not Van Gal it will be Pochetino, who would'nt be my pick although I think he'd do a decent job & would b good news for signing Llalana. I'd prefer a manager who has different styles of play to turn to when needed & not so onedimensional.

 

[dovahkiin]

If you ever seen one of Tuchel's training sessions you'd think otherwise, he's the real deal & rated in just as high regard as Klopp by many in Germany.
He has done a brilliant job at Mainz, a club Klopp got relegated with & failed to get them promoted & Tutchel has turned them into a team regurlarly challenging for european qualification. Holtby has played under him & refered to him as a genius & an amazing coach.
The players would be well aware of his reputation & if some did'nt he'd win them round on the training ground in no time.
Another point is when Guardiola had his yr off he went to watch his training sessions to study what he was doing, Tutchel is a new breed of coach who trains the brain just as much as the body.
Would be my first choice ahead of Van Gal.

ok im sold

 

[Matthew]

If you ever seen one of Tuchel's training sessions you'd think otherwise, he's the real deal & rated in just as high regard as Klopp by many in Germany.
He has done a brilliant job at Mainz, a club Klopp got relegated with & failed to get them promoted & Tutchel has turned them into a team regurlarly challenging for european qualification. Holtby has played under him & refered to him as a genius & an amazing coach.
The players would be well aware of his reputation & if some did'nt he'd win them round on the training ground in no time.
Another point is when Guardiola had his yr off he went to watch his training sessions to study what he was doing, Tutchel is a new breed of coach who trains the brain just as much as the body.
Would be my first choice ahead of Van Gal.

im sold on this too! get emailing levy! lol

 

[Mr Pink]

Is it just me or is the whole thing just incredibly boring now....

Never been this distant from spurs, not sure what to expect next season now. Levy by appointing Sherwood has completely ballsed up, he can't get the next guy wrong

I think its because we're all getting a bit fed up with the cycle that goes on within the Club - in terms of managers anyway.

 

[Mr Pink]

If you ever seen one of Tuchel's training sessions you'd think otherwise, he's the real deal & rated in just as high regard as Klopp by many in Germany.
He has done a brilliant job at Mainz, a club Klopp got relegated with & failed to get them promoted & Tutchel has turned them into a team regurlarly challenging for european qualification. Holtby has played under him & refered to him as a genius & an amazing coach.
The players would be well aware of his reputation & if some did'nt he'd win them round on the training ground in no time.
Another point is when Guardiola had his yr off he went to watch his training sessions to study what he was doing, Tutchel is a new breed of coach who trains the brain just as much as the body.
Would be my first choice ahead of Van Gal.

and apparently he acquired a lot of his coaching expertise from studying Sherwood's sessions

 

[YiddoInPoland]

If you ever seen one of Tuchel's training sessions you'd think otherwise, he's the real deal & rated in just as high regard as Klopp by many in Germany.
He has done a brilliant job at Mainz, a club Klopp got relegated with & failed to get them promoted & Tutchel has turned them into a team regurlarly challenging for european qualification. Holtby has played under him & refered to him as a genius & an amazing coach.
The players would be well aware of his reputation & if some did'nt he'd win them round on the training ground in no time.
Another point is when Guardiola had his yr off he went to watch his training sessions to study what he was doing, Tutchel is a new breed of coach who trains the brain just as much as the body.
Would be my first choice ahead of Van Gal.

Don't play with my emotions like this..... i have been hurt too many times before

 

[YiddoInPoland]

and apparently he acquired a lot of his coaching expertise from studying Sherwood's sessions

"Hoof it to Ade you w**kers"

is that the jist?

 

[idontgetit]

I'm not sure on FDB.

Positives - he'd command respect and has won trophies. We'd nab a couple of decent players from Ajax no doubt (possible elsewhere in the Dutch league too). Might be able to use his Barca links to get a couple of loans too (depending on their transfer ban). Plus existing relationship with Eriksen and Vertonghen.

Negatives - for all the talk of his playing style some of it is very 'death by a thousand cuts' which looks great when fluid but when it isn't there is frustrating and boring as hell and doesn't necessarily lead to success. Also think our new manager needs to know how to set up a defence and that is one disadvantage of managing a big fish in a small pond - albeit he has achieved some good results in the CL.

I like his set-up but hate the death by a thousand cuts attitude instantly after winning the ball. We should be really direct after winning the ball, like Liverpool and Dortmund, and then cycle the ball if the direct option isn't viable.

(I've not watched much of Ajax admittedly, that was just the way his style was explained to me)

 

[idontgetit]

"Hoof it to Ade you w**kers"

is that the jist?

lol that was the best thing TS ever said in our changing room. It was actually 'roll the ball in to Ade ASAP', we look really dangerous when we do that. Fuck nuts of course soon forgot his own idea unfortunately and we went back to crab footy

 

[Mr Pink]

I like his set-up but hate the death by a thousand cuts attitude instantly after winning the ball. We should be really direct after winning the ball, like Liverpool and Dortmund, and then cycle the ball if the direct option isn't viable.

(I've not watched much of Ajax admittedly, that was just the way his style was explained to me)

I agree. Rodgers has adapted completely. Realising possession isn't everything if you're not hurting the opposition enough.

The Everton/United game encapsulates this perfectly. They had what, 60-65% possession? But like Carragher was saying, there was no change of pace to their passing....nowhere near enough runs being made.

Neville as well saying United were passing the ball like they were 2-0 up. Nothing wrong with keeping possession like that if you're looking to control the game at certain points, like being ahead away from home, but if you're creating next to nothing having a bit more possession counts for little if your ambition is to be giving yourself the best possible chance of winning the game.

And on top of all that I much prefer the way Dortmund, for example, play football. Fast tempo, clever movement and interchanges, powerful runs and a real collective understanding that opens up the opposition.

Great to watch, instead of all this tipy tappy stuff, endless probing, for it to break down after five minutes spells of pressure on the edge of the opponents box. Unless you have a plethora of players capable of playing that real intricate stuff like Barca and Arsenal its futile, which is why I could never understand how AVB was going to get us playing his way, successfully, with the players we had.

Barca probe and probe, but they can instantly change the pace to their passing and movement in a split second - and that's what invariably opens teams up. We were never equipped to play like that under AVB IMO.

United's performance on Sunday reminded me of how we were under AVB. Won the possession comfortably but in essence created very little clear cut chances.

 

[only1waddle]

I agree. Rodgers has adapted completely. Realising possession isn't everything if you're not hurting the opposition enough.

The Everton/United game encapsulates this perfectly. They had what, 60-65% possession? But like Carragher was saying, there was no change of pace to their passing....nowhere near enough runs being made.

Neville as well saying United were passing the ball like they were 2-0 up. Nothing wrong with keeping possession like that if you're looking to control the game at certain points, like being ahead away from home, but if you're creating next to nothing having a bit more possession counts for little if your ambition is to be giving yourself the best possible chance of winning the game.

And on top of all that I much prefer the way Dortmund, for example, play football. Fast tempo, clever movement and interchanges, powerful runs and a real collective understanding that opens up the opposition.

Great to watch, instead of all this tipy tappy stuff, endless probing, for it to break down after five minutes spells of pressure on the edge of the opponents box. Unless you have a plethora of players capable of playing that real intricate stuff like Barca and Arsenal its futile, which is why I could never understand how AVB was going to get us playing his way, successfully, with the players we had.

Barca probe and probe, but they can instantly change the pace to their passing and movement in a split second - and that's what invariably opens teams up. We were never equipped to play like that under AVB IMO.

United's performance on Sunday reminded me of how we were under AVB. Won the possession comfortably but in essence created very little clear cut chances.

Agree with most of this Mr P, i think i like the idea of De Boer rather than the reality of the way he plays, i can't see past his style being a disaster with our current crop of players, whereas Van Gaal is more flexible possession wise, important to his philosophy but not the be all and end all.

 

[Mr Pink]

Agree with most of this Mr P, i think i like the idea of De Boer rather than the reality of the way he plays, i can't see past his style being a disaster with our current crop of players, whereas Van Gaal is more flexible possession wise, important to his philosophy but not the be all and end all.

With the players we have its likely to be a similar end product to what we saw under AVB, at least until he can stamp his mark on the squad.

I'm wary to say the least and if I'm perfectly honest its not my preferred style of football either, but with the right players I wouldn't be complaining if that makes sense!

 

[only1waddle]

With the players we have its going to be a similar end product to what we saw under AVB, at least until he can stamp his mark on the squad.

I'm wary to say the least and if I'm perfectly honest its not my preferred style of football either, but with the right players I wouldn't be complaining if that makes sense!

I prefer a more direct style too, Heynckes Munich would be the style i would love us to replicate.
Looking at the options i wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Pochettino, i wouldn't be too disappointed either.

 

[idontgetit]

I don't have a problem with us being indirect when it suits but it just makes so much more sense hitting the opposition when they're most vulnerable. If we're out of shape or the ball isn't on then roll in to the slower more technical build up. All this needs is pace and goals in the front line and creativity in the middle. Throw in a strong DM and there's a really good balance to the side.