The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[Hotspur33]

Bloody hell, why didn't someone think of that sooner. We'll just start playing like Dortmund or Bayern.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I'm glad you're so optimistic mate (someone has to be) but I've seen this one too many times now I'm afraid.

Re: the player turnover - Levy simply can't stop himself. If an opportunity turns up to embark on a bit of player exchange nonsense and make a few quid in the process - we'll go for it. Someone near the end of their contract, a young player with a bit of promise, any English kid - we'll have our greasy fingers in all those pies, despite Levy saying we won't.

And a new manager will want to change a certain number of players - even if we might think the squad doesn't need too much work. It's just the way it is with us.

I look forward to another summer of being linked with and probably buying another swathe of random foreign blokes and maybe the odd young English kid, whilst selling a whole load of 'deadwood' as well as a series of players I'd like to stay.

Spursy innit.

I am pretty much certain there is no chance of this happening during the summer. This is why Levy is interested in managers like LVG and Pochettino, because of their willingness to impart their philosophy on the players already in the squad. LVG has always talked about not wanting to spend massive amounts of money on new signings. And you only have to see the way Pochetinno coached Southampton to play a clearly defined style with very minimal changes to the squad to understand how he operates. This is what attracts Levy.

 

[only1waddle]

Bloody hell, why didn't someone think of that sooner. We'll just start playing like Dortmund or Bayern.

I think most of us realize that this won't happen like Dortmund and Bayern, but sharing your thoughts on a preferred style of football, on of all things a football forum is hardly a crime is it.

Out of interest what is your preferred style of play?

 

[Vulcan10]

In theory I'm guessing he would bring bergkamp with him. How do we feel about that??

 

[absolute bobbins]

In theory I'm guessing he would bring bergkamp with him. How do we feel about that??

Don't care, he's a professional and I know that Gooners would be crying into their overpriced bovril.

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We'd also always have a coach at Spurs Lodge (or whatever it's called) when the team are on their travels

 

[Vulcan10]

Don't care, he's a professional and I know that Gooners would be crying into their overpriced bovril.
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We'd also always have a coach at Spurs Lodge (or whatever it's called) when the team are on their travels

Fair point, and I think he was actually a spurs fan as a kid which I guess would be played up if we went down this route. I just wondered if we would want to get rid of one gooner & bring in another with arsenal links.

 

[shelfboy68]

I am pretty much certain there is no chance of this happening during the summer. This is why Levy is interested in managers like LVG and Pochettino, because of their willingness to impart their philosophy on the players already in the squad. LVG has always talked about not wanting to spend massive amounts of money on new signings. And you only have to see the way Pochetinno coached Southampton to play a clearly defined style of play with very minimal changes to the playing staff. This is what attracts Levy.

I've noticed that for a while now you have been banging the drum for pochettino regarding a philosophy.
But surely spurs have a footballing philosophy which in the main started in the late forties with Arthur Rowe and the push and run side which brought the title in 1950.
This was then improved upon by Bill Nick with the double side which was all about subtlety and imagination and the man without the ball being the most important person etc.
This ethos was the yardstick for any
success since then to win with style if you like but although you could argue we haven't really played with any panache since Harry left as our football has been sterile under AVB and a mess under Tim.
Without knocking you as you obviously have a strong opinion on this I can't see what this guy who apparently doesn't speak English very well at all certainly in the public arena nor been thrust into such a high profile club as ours with a heavy London based media who would ruin him much like they did ramos.
We know that we don't keep manager's very long for varying reasons but surely this isn't the time to go for another project at this time it has to be a proven experienced manager who with decent organisation and good levels of motivation plus some key signings to strengthen will get this club back up amongst the runner's and riders again I think we have the base of a team/squad to do this.
We simply can't afford to be out of this for 4/5 year's and hope that we might be playing some good stuff by then Liverpool are the classic example of being back within two years of a new manager starting and they are going to win the league although they have possibly over achieved a little they have proved it.

 

[absolute bobbins]

I've noticed that for a while now you have been banging the drum for pochettino regarding a philosophy.
But surely spurs have a footballing philosophy which in the main started in the late forties with Arthur Rowe and the push and run side which brought the title in 1950.
This was then improved upon by Bill Nick with the double side which was all about subtlety and imagination and the man without the ball being the most important person etc.
This ethos was the yardstick for any
success since then to win with style if you like but although you could argue we haven't really played with any panache since Harry left as our football has been sterile under AVB and a mess under Tim.
Without knocking you as you obviously have a strong opinion on this I can't see what this guy who apparently doesn't speak English very well at all certainly in the public arena nor been thrust into such a high profile club as ours with a heavy London based media who would ruin him much like they did ramos.
We know that we don't keep manager's very long for varying reasons but surely this isn't the time to go for another project at this time it has to be a proven experienced manager who with decent organisation and good levels of motivation plus some key signings to strengthen will get this club back up amongst the runner's and riders again I think we have the base of a team/squad to do this.
We simply can't afford to be out of this for 4/5 year's and hope that we might be playing some good stuff by then Liverpool are the classic example of being back within two years of a new manager starting and they are going to win the league although they have possibly over achieved a little they have proved it.

Firstly and for the last time he speaks perfectly fluent English, he rarely speaks directly to the press (but does if he can't avoid it) because English is a fucked up and illogical language and there there is a real chance that what he says would be misrepresented if he gets his syntax slightly wrong.
If the English press were not just media studies chumps and could speak the second most widely spoken language on the planet then he'd probably take the press conference and fall back on Spanish only when he needs to.

Oh and out of what? We're not in anything, we're not a title contender and we're barely even a champions league contender

 

[shelfboy68]

Firstly and for the last time he speaks perfectly fluent English, he rarely speaks directly to the press (but does if he can't avoid it) because English is a fucked up and illogical language and there there is a real chance that what he says would be misrepresented if he gets his syntax slightly wrong.
If the English press were not just media studies chumps and could speak the second most widely spoken language on the planet then he'd probably take the press conference and fall back on Spanish only when he needs to.

Oh and out of what? We're not in anything, we're not a title contender and we're barely even a champions league contender

I never said we were a title contender did I but certainly we are not that far away from the champions league spots which is where we have been thereabouts for the past say four maybe five season's.
I take it your in favour of this manager I'm just asking what he has about him that a few on here see as a potential candidate I don't think it's wrong of me in any way to ask surely.

 

[Hoddtastic72]

Id take Laudrup but I don't know why?

Where would you take him? Don't think he would come with you...seems a bit of a sullen fellow by all accounts

 

[parklane1]

You don't need to preach to us, you need to convince Levy!

So you think the fans will give a new manager time to build something, and by time i mean more then 18 months?

 

[SteveH]

I don't think our fans have enough patience to employ a manager like FdB.

Our fans are increasingly becoming an important negative influence as we have seen recently, when looking for a new manager. Wrongly for me, but that does not alter the facts.

If we went with a FDB are people prepared to take the long view?
It may all go swimmingly of course, but FDB and many of the candidates discussed, could take many season to get it right.

 

[ilikeost]

Frank De Boer would be a decent option I guess. But I'm not so sold on bringing in another young manager without a proven track record, just feels like a gamble we shouldn't take at the moment.

 

[nedley]

If you ever seen one of Tuchel's training sessions you'd think otherwise, he's the real deal & rated in just as high regard as Klopp by many in Germany.
He has done a brilliant job at Mainz, a club Klopp got relegated with & failed to get them promoted & Tutchel has turned them into a team regurlarly challenging for european qualification. Holtby has played under him & refered to him as a genius & an amazing coach.
The players would be well aware of his reputation & if some did'nt he'd win them round on the training ground in no time.
Another point is when Guardiola had his yr off he went to watch his training sessions to study what he was doing, Tutchel is a new breed of coach who trains the brain just as much as the body.
Would be my first choice ahead of Van Gal.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I think it is probably going to be someone like him, Pochettino etc. A young manager who has shown some potential that we have to take a punt on somewhat. We aren't going to get a proven name.

Hasn't Levy already tried and failed with his last two appointments?

 

[Darragh]

I am pretty much certain there is no chance of this happening during the summer. This is why Levy is interested in managers like LVG and Pochettino, because of their willingness to impart their philosophy on the players already in the squad. LVG has always talked about not wanting to spend massive amounts of money on new signings. And you only have to see the way Pochetinno coached Southampton to play a clearly defined style with very minimal changes to the squad to understand how he operates. This is what attracts Levy.

Let get one thing clear no amount of coaching will improve daws rose naughton kaboul Lennon and many others in squad so if any manager or coach comes in with attitude of just coaching whats here here then he might as well sleep in his car at Tottenham hale at night cos he won't last pissing time --- a good tactian and trainer helps but he needs a clever 4 or 5 players defensively and offensively who actually are top pros and who actually know there fuckin jobs and who wud be first 11 material

 

[hodsgod]

So you think the fans will give a new manager time to build something, and by time i mean more then 18 months?

It doesn't matter what the fans want, I don't believe for one moment Levy hires and fires on fan opinion.

 

[mpickard2087]

Hasn't Levy already tried and failed with his last two appointments?

He has to identify someone who knows what they are doing. AVB's problem was that he couldn't put the tactics he had in his head into something coherent on the pitch.

I don't see what other type of manager we can attract really, unless things fell perfectly into our lap with someone like a van Gaal, but even that has maybe been scuppered with Utd job now being available. Like the players we buy, if we want a top class manager we have to get them before they hit their peak and are established otherwise we have no chance.

 

[yojambo]

I understand your point, and that's why he's more of a gamble, but managers can only garner respect if they are given a chance. Pochettino was and to an extent, still is an unknown quantity, especially compared to the likes of Van Gaal and Benitez. Luckily for him and FdB, their playing backgrounds are superior to Tuchel's, so they've automatically got a higher reputation. But I don't think either have particularly achieved more than the German as a manager, although Pochettino has managed in the PL which is an advantage and FdB has managed Eriksen and Vertonghen previously too.

I think all three carry a similar risk, and I'm not sure whether Levy is willing to take such a gamble again after AVB. Suspect Benitez will be the prime candidate after Van Gaal.

Here's an excellent interview with Tuchel (in two parts, 1st: 16:50, 2st: 39:30). Speaks perfect English of course...

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/5live/5lspecials/5lspecials_20131010-2100a.mp3

Anyone other than Thomas Tuchel and i'll be disappointed now!

 

[Bowlesinho]

Let get one thing clear no amount of coaching will improve daws rose naughton kaboul Lennon and many others in squad so if any manager or coach comes in with attitude of just coaching whats here here then he might as well sleep in his car at Tottenham hale at night cos he won't last pissing time --- a good tactian and trainer helps but he needs a clever 4 or 5 players defensively and offensively who actually are top pros and who actually know there fuckin jobs and who wud be first 11 material

Sorry but as I'm currently aiming towards my coaching badges I fundamentally disagree with this.

Intelligence and talent is one thing (and I agree it is important) but a clear system that is understood and followed can make all the difference. Look at Liverpool currently, Skrtel, Flanagan, Johnson, Sakho aren't exactly world-beaters but they know the system and follow it. If coached properly then Naughton, Kaboul, Dawson, Lennon could all be a lot more effective. I'm less sold on Rose but that is down to his attitude more than anything else.