The Confederations Cup 2017

Discussion in 'General Football' started by Bus-Conductor, Jun 18, 2017.

  1. StartingPrice

    StartingPrice Chief Sardonicus Hyperlip

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    Whether down to the officials, the technology, or a bit of both, the VAR was a joke. I used to support the idea when I was younger. Now, I jusst think it interrupts the flow of the game, and if it is going to lead to as much controversy as not having it, I would rather let the game flow.

    I don't like to see a player sent off, but anyone who watched that as we saw it here n TV, would see that the elbow was at a wholly unnatural angle and pushed towards the jaw. Anyone who saw it must have seen the intent. The referee supposedly saw it thanks to the VAR. If he didn't and the ref couldn't see it from the angles we saw it, the VAR is crap. If he did see it, he saw that the intent was obvious, and had another reason for giving him yellow rather than red.
     
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  2. nedley

    nedley John Duncan's Love Child

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    Given you a friendly.

    Let's be friends.

    (y)
     
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  3. ohtottenham!

    ohtottenham! Well-Known Member

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    Let it go guys. Pointless argument, which was created by a ref who didn't have the guts to show a red card when he had more than enough evidence.
     
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  4. heelspurs

    heelspurs Supporter of Serge; Dier is dead to me

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    Yeah, for some reason I never saw the angle from the German goal. It was the live angle for the ref as well. Seeing it in realtime from that angle made it 100% for me and the slow replay just magnified that. Again, I always thought it was a deliberate act...that he should have reserved for Emre Can.
     
  5. heelspurs

    heelspurs Supporter of Serge; Dier is dead to me

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    Never thought were weren't. And disagreement doesn't change that. However,
    considering this post apparently we have had previous so restrospectively "F*ck you, you ****". :mad: Now we're good :D:p:cool:
     
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  6. Krule

    Krule Carpe Diem

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    I have now withdrawn my WTF rating (which I gave because I found your initial two postings contradictory but never disagreeable...nor did I think you were a numpty) You have now explained your viewpoint with the words " But I always thought it was red but could see why he gave yellow ".
    This forum environment is a hotbed for arguments which I find disconcerting. If a member disagrees with another then they should offer constructive criticism or a balanced counter viewpoint rather than just give a rating of 'disagree'. That is the whole basis of a forum "a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged."

    Note the word 'exchanged'....not simply ridiculed or insulted. I always remember a fellow manager at work being advised by the Managing Director that "You would be a really nice bloke if you just started every sentence with the words 'In My Opinion' ". He was for ever muttering 'rubbish' or 'bo*****s' when he disagreed with anything somebody said but never actually substantiated his outbursts with facts or views.

    I often wonder how much retribution is metered out on here by one person to another. You see someone receive a negative rating and wonder if they make a note to return the compliment on the other member's next posting. When I first joined last month I put up a thread about Hugo Lloris.(What Price Hugo)..just after Jordan Pickford had been transferred for £30m. All I said was I had no reason to want Hugo to leave but it made you think what his actual valuation would be today. My God...I received 6 Spam ratings....I was mortified ! how the hell could this be considered spam ??. I am still puzzled but am now over the shock of such a vitriolic negative response.

    So please remember if you are going to put spam, disagree or dislike to a posting it's nice to also explain why.....

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    Referee totally bottled it for fear of reprisals after the match.....Solid Red !!

    PPS
    If anyone who gave me a spam rating on that thread now bitterly regrets it please remove.....
    http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/what-price-hugo.128894/
    (worth a try ;))
     
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  7. heelspurs

    heelspurs Supporter of Serge; Dier is dead to me

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    Never saw the 'WTF?' you surreptitious ba**ard. :D Only noticed the 'friendly' and that you 'agreed' on other posts with the counter argument. Which I fully appreciated. Don't expect others to agree with my opinion.

    This forum is way better than most footie forums in general and spurs forums in particular, transfer windows and game threads notwithstanding. It does however suffer from the anonymity of the internet just like any other place. But the staff and the old timers are on it and that is why I joined after like 4 years of lurking. Welcome btw.
     
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  8. Sandros Shiny Head

    Sandros Shiny Head Well-Known Member

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    If that was a league game, would he escape a ban because the referee not only saw it but watched a replay and still said it wasn't a red?
     
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  9. ohtottenham!

    ohtottenham! Well-Known Member

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    I'm all for VAR. If a blind ref passes the buck after seeing stone cold evidence, he'll get canned as a ref, and the offending player and his team will get retro punishment.
     
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  10. Krule

    Krule Carpe Diem

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    Sandros Shiny Head Well-Known Member

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    We'll have to see since thats exactly what happened today
     
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  12. ohtottenham!

    ohtottenham! Well-Known Member

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    That was my point, We saw what happenned today. VAR means the public viewing audience is the ref, just like in US sports. We just had an idiot ref today!
     
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  13. Bus-Conductor

    Bus-Conductor SC Supporter

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    The VAR system just needs refining obviously. Already, even with the flawed process of mixed nationality officials and allowing the ref to watch a replay pitchside, we still saw big, game changing, decisions get corrected and put right. Even the yellow yesterday was better than him getting nothing (not even a free kick) which happened before the VAR got involved.

    The simple answer is for the VAR officials to be given authority of any incident they choose to get involved in (they are after all getting the best - various angle, slow motion - view of any incident) and for their review to just go on silently whilst the game goes on and then the contact the ref with the decision and he then acts immediately- no fucking about, no wandering over to the side of the pitch etc.

    My guess is that the system introduced at the confed cup was an attempt to appease refs and create an appearance of them maintaining overall authority.

    I'd still rather people talk about a refereeing system that's flawed by poor application of VAR than results flawed by poor application of refs.
     
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