The Confederations Cup 2017

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#81
Whether down to the officials, the technology, or a bit of both, the VAR was a joke. I used to support the idea when I was younger. Now, I jusst think it interrupts the flow of the game, and if it is going to lead to as much controversy as not having it, I would rather let the game flow.

The replays I saw were only from the side and Chile-goalside initially. During post-game they showed additional angle, including from the ref's view, which convinced me.

Additionally, nice to see the Chileans showing some class in wearing their medals while giving the guard to the victors. Not like the shitty Spain u21s.
I don't like to see a player sent off, but anyone who watched that as we saw it here n TV, would see that the elbow was at a wholly unnatural angle and pushed towards the jaw. Anyone who saw it must have seen the intent. The referee supposedly saw it thanks to the VAR. If he didn't and the ref couldn't see it from the angles we saw it, the VAR is crap. If he did see it, he saw that the intent was obvious, and had another reason for giving him yellow rather than red.
 

ohtottenham!

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#83
Yes, argumentative. I made a simple opinion and supported it with a reasoned rationale. All the while knowing that it was not popular hence the explanation. A poster like @Krule totally disagreed with me (and probably thought I was a numpty for taking my stance) but clearly appreciated the 'friendly' way it was proffered. You have made 5+ post telling me my 'opinion' is wrong all the while missing or not addressing my point = argumentative. And then the outrage that I had the temerity to call it argumentative. And you end with a 'chill out brother'. Yeah, I would say it had an edge.
Let it go guys. Pointless argument, which was created by a ref who didn't have the guts to show a red card when he had more than enough evidence.
 

heelspurs

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#84
Whether down to the officials, the technology, or a bit of both, the VAR was a joke. I used to support the idea when I was younger. Now, I jusst think it interrupts the flow of the game, and if it is going to lead to as much controversy as not having it, I would rather let the game flow.



I don't like to see a player sent off, but anyone who watched that as we saw it here n TV, would see that the elbow was at a wholly unnatural angle and pushed towards the jaw. Anyone who saw it must have seen the intent. The referee supposedly saw it thanks to the VAR. If he didn't and the ref couldn't see it from the angles we saw it, the VAR is crap. If he did see it, he saw that the intent was obvious, and had another reason for giving him yellow rather than red.
Yeah, for some reason I never saw the angle from the German goal. It was the live angle for the ref as well. Seeing it in realtime from that angle made it 100% for me and the slow replay just magnified that. Again, I always thought it was a deliberate act...that he should have reserved for Emre Can.
 

heelspurs

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#85
Given you a friendly.

Let's be friends.

(y)
Never thought were weren't. And disagreement doesn't change that. However,
considering this post apparently we have had previous so restrospectively "F*ck you, you ****". :mad: Now we're good :D:p:cool:
 

Krule

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#86
Yes, argumentative. I made a simple opinion and supported it with a reasoned rationale. All the while knowing that it was not popular hence the explanation. A poster like @Krule totally disagreed with me (and probably thought I was a numpty for taking my stance) but clearly appreciated the 'friendly' way it was proffered. You have made 5+ post telling me my 'opinion' is wrong all the while missing or not addressing my point = argumentative. And then the outrage that I had the temerity to call it argumentative. And you end with a 'chill out brother'. Yeah, I would say it had an edge.
I have now withdrawn my WTF rating (which I gave because I found your initial two postings contradictory but never disagreeable...nor did I think you were a numpty) You have now explained your viewpoint with the words " But I always thought it was red but could see why he gave yellow ".
This forum environment is a hotbed for arguments which I find disconcerting. If a member disagrees with another then they should offer constructive criticism or a balanced counter viewpoint rather than just give a rating of 'disagree'. That is the whole basis of a forum "a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged."

Note the word 'exchanged'....not simply ridiculed or insulted. I always remember a fellow manager at work being advised by the Managing Director that "You would be a really nice bloke if you just started every sentence with the words 'In My Opinion' ". He was for ever muttering 'rubbish' or 'bo*****s' when he disagreed with anything somebody said but never actually substantiated his outbursts with facts or views.

I often wonder how much retribution is metered out on here by one person to another. You see someone receive a negative rating and wonder if they make a note to return the compliment on the other member's next posting. When I first joined last month I put up a thread about Hugo Lloris.(What Price Hugo)..just after Jordan Pickford had been transferred for £30m. All I said was I had no reason to want Hugo to leave but it made you think what his actual valuation would be today. My God...I received 6 Spam ratings....I was mortified ! how the hell could this be considered spam ??. I am still puzzled but am now over the shock of such a vitriolic negative response.

So please remember if you are going to put spam, disagree or dislike to a posting it's nice to also explain why.....

PS
Referee totally bottled it for fear of reprisals after the match.....Solid Red !!

PPS
If anyone who gave me a spam rating on that thread now bitterly regrets it please remove.....
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/what-price-hugo.128894/
(worth a try ;))
 
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heelspurs

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#87
I have now withdrawn my WTF rating (which I gave because I found your initial two postings contradictory but never disagreeable...nor did I think you were a numpty) You have now explained your viewpoint with the words " But I always thought it was red but could see why he gave yellow ".
This forum environment is a hotbed for arguments which I find disconcerting. If a member disagrees with another then they should offer constructive criticism or a balanced counter viewpoint rather than just give a rating of 'disagree'. That is the whole basis of a forum "a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged."

Note the word 'exchanged'....not simply ridiculed or insulted. I always remember a fellow manager at work being advised by the Managing Director that "You would be a really nice bloke if you just started every sentence with the words 'In My Opinion' ". He was for ever muttering 'rubbish' or 'bo*****s' when he disagreed with anything somebody said but never actually substantiated his outbursts with facts or views.

I often wonder how much retribution is metered out on here by one person to another. You see someone receive a negative rating and wonder if they make a note to return the compliment on the other member's next posting. When I first joined last month I put up a thread about Hugo Lloris.(What Price Hugo)..just after Jordan Pickford had been transferred for £30m. All I said was I had no reason to want Hugo to leave but it made you think what his actual valuation would be today. My God...I received 6 Spam ratings....I was mortified ! how the hell could this be considered spam ??. I am still puzzled but am now over the shock of such a vitriolic negative response.

So please remember if you are going to put spam, disagree or dislike to a posting it's nice to also explain why.....

PS
Referee totally bottled it for fear of reprisals after the match.....Solid Red !!
Never saw the 'WTF?' you surreptitious ba**ard. :D Only noticed the 'friendly' and that you 'agreed' on other posts with the counter argument. Which I fully appreciated. Don't expect others to agree with my opinion.

This forum is way better than most footie forums in general and spurs forums in particular, transfer windows and game threads notwithstanding. It does however suffer from the anonymity of the internet just like any other place. But the staff and the old timers are on it and that is why I joined after like 4 years of lurking. Welcome btw.
 

ohtottenham!

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#89
If that was a league game, would he escape a ban because the referee not only saw it but watched a replay and still said it wasn't a red?
I'm all for VAR. If a blind ref passes the buck after seeing stone cold evidence, he'll get canned as a ref, and the offending player and his team will get retro punishment.
 

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The VAR system just needs refining obviously. Already, even with the flawed process of mixed nationality officials and allowing the ref to watch a replay pitchside, we still saw big, game changing, decisions get corrected and put right. Even the yellow yesterday was better than him getting nothing (not even a free kick) which happened before the VAR got involved.

The simple answer is for the VAR officials to be given authority of any incident they choose to get involved in (they are after all getting the best - various angle, slow motion - view of any incident) and for their review to just go on silently whilst the game goes on and then the contact the ref with the decision and he then acts immediately- no fucking about, no wandering over to the side of the pitch etc.

My guess is that the system introduced at the confed cup was an attempt to appease refs and create an appearance of them maintaining overall authority.

I'd still rather people talk about a refereeing system that's flawed by poor application of VAR than results flawed by poor application of refs.
 
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