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20-odd wickets last year in the series against Pakistan IIRC
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Spurs_Bear
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Yeah that's what I thought, quite a comeback from nearly being given the Spanish Archer at the end of the South Africa tour.
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Yeah, in 2016 he took 41 wickets. This year he's only taken 1 wicket but this test is his first test match of the year. He's scored around 600 runs in the same period. His career looked well on the up before he got injured so i'm hoping he getss to play himself into some sort of form before the winter tour.
theShiznit
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Maybe absence has played tricks with my mind, but all I remember is it took him a long time to become anything other than a bowler that had steady spells for England that was handy with the bat. Which is essentially what he's been in this match.
I may have praised him in this thread for all I can remember
(my love for Alli has remained unwavering though I am sure of that)
Buggsy61
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We are going to need pace down under.
Medium paced swing bowling will get carved up on the hard pitches of Perth and Adelaide etc, when the sun is out.
Agree that Anderson and Broad are probably on the downward trail in that respect so we really need the likes of Woakes, Wood and Finn to be fully fit, in form and ready for selection, or it could be a long tour.
Medium paced swing bowling will get carved up on the hard pitches of Perth and Adelaide etc, when the sun is out.
Agree that Anderson and Broad are probably on the downward trail in that respect so we really need the likes of Woakes, Wood and Finn to be fully fit, in form and ready for selection, or it could be a long tour.
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I know we are pro's as it, but I really didn't see us arseing this one up quite so spectacularly.
SargeantMeatCurtains
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Stuart Broad.
He has an unbelievable session in his locker but, fuck me, if he's not bowling well, he is absolutely woeful.
I have no idea why TRJ was dropped.
Absolutely abysmal bowling in this match.
He has an unbelievable session in his locker but, fuck me, if he's not bowling well, he is absolutely woeful.
I have no idea why TRJ was dropped.
Absolutely abysmal bowling in this match.
mpickard2087
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Surely time to just pack the offside field, bowl really wide, and try and steal a draw. Might get booed off and terrible headlines for the rest of the week, but suck it up to claw something out of it.
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The beginning of the decline of our long standing and spectacularly successful bowling attack. The odd purple patch can't hide it for too much longer.
SargeantMeatCurtains
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Honestly, Broad needs to be dropped.
Unacceptably poor bowling.
Unacceptably poor bowling.
mpickard2087
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Still not sure why we haven't hung it outside off stump and made them do something...
To be fair to our bowlers, this has been a belter of a pitch to bat on. 320 you'd hope is enough, but at the time I though 250-275 was gettable, and if anything the pitch has got even flatter today (it had started turning big yesterday).
The damage was done with our pathetic 250 in the first innings, that's where the blame lies. The score should have been double that really, and has to go down as one of our most dismal efforts recently, in which there is plenty of competition. The three innings since have just been a run-fest.
Having said all that, I go back to what I was saying a few matches ago - we definitely don't have enough weapons in the bowling attack when we don't have friendly conditions and it's flat. There is no real hostile bowler who terrifies the batsmen. There's no left arm option. Mo's improved but he's still not an elite spinner with variations that run through a team. We've got to look at it.
To be fair to our bowlers, this has been a belter of a pitch to bat on. 320 you'd hope is enough, but at the time I though 250-275 was gettable, and if anything the pitch has got even flatter today (it had started turning big yesterday).
The damage was done with our pathetic 250 in the first innings, that's where the blame lies. The score should have been double that really, and has to go down as one of our most dismal efforts recently, in which there is plenty of competition. The three innings since have just been a run-fest.
Having said all that, I go back to what I was saying a few matches ago - we definitely don't have enough weapons in the bowling attack when we don't have friendly conditions and it's flat. There is no real hostile bowler who terrifies the batsmen. There's no left arm option. Mo's improved but he's still not an elite spinner with variations that run through a team. We've got to look at it.
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Embarrassing result.
Imagine what the Australians will do to us on flat, sunbaked tracks? Their bowlers will absolutely tear through us and their horrendous batting line-up will score shed loads of runs against our bowlers.
Imagine what the Australians will do to us on flat, sunbaked tracks? Their bowlers will absolutely tear through us and their horrendous batting line-up will score shed loads of runs against our bowlers.
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Who cares about the transfer window. Reminds me of the good old days when winning was all we ever did and this West Indies win wI'll keep me smiling for the rest of the year!
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Can't believe what I was watching.
A real fear pervaded the whole innings. losing seemed to be on our mind very early on.
We should have been bowling negatively wide down the leg side before tea. As the win was looking on for them before then. Really poor captaincy as well with some of the field positions and bowling choices.
And I hate to say it again but no way should woakes have played in that match.
A real fear pervaded the whole innings. losing seemed to be on our mind very early on.
We should have been bowling negatively wide down the leg side before tea. As the win was looking on for them before then. Really poor captaincy as well with some of the field positions and bowling choices.
And I hate to say it again but no way should woakes have played in that match.
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We seem to lack true pace in our attack. Woakes didn't bowl too badly prior to the second new ball, but he's not exactly a scary prospect to face as a batsman, not that I think Rowland-Jones is the answer. If the pitch or ball isn't doing much then I can't see how RJ can be an effective Test bowler. Jimmy was unlucky to not have taken a few wickets, bowled some corkers. Almost too good at times, since they beat the bat time and time again by some margin.
I liked the look of Wood before his loss of form, I'd bring him back in. The only bowler I've seen get close to 90mph. We saw the effectiveness of raw pace in our first innings against Gabriel who bowled very well and very fast, without much effort I noticed.
Our batting line up worries me too. If it wasn't for that fantastic middle order of Root, Stokes, Bairstow and Ali, we'd have lost a lot more Tests this summer. Malan, Westley, Stoneman, Ballance and Jennings have been terrible. Cook doesn't fill me with confidence either. Get a good/full length outside off stump and it's as if he's never seen a cricket ball before. Massive weakness to exploit for bowlers. I liked the look of Hameed when he got his chance. I hear his form has been woeful of late, but he's the only emerging player I've seen to have the technique and temperament to open the batting with Cook.
Moeen Ali was the biggest disappointment with the ball. Roston Chase got the ball to turn consistently, whereas Ali bowled a very safe line against the Windies batsmen and failed to get consistent turn.
Root's captaincy wasn't great either. Gave 50 odd overs to Broad and Anderson on that last day, yet Stokes and Woakes got 10-15 between them all day I think. Yes they are your senior bowlers, but they have to be able to be backed up, at least by the 3rd seamer (Woakes) and they can't do that unless they're given the ball. He wasn't scared of defeat when he declared with a lead of 322, so he shouldn't have been scared to give the ball to his backup bowlers.
I don't think Broad should be dropped as mentioned on here. For a start, for who?! Secondly, he still possesses the ability to take a 5-for in no time once he gets pumping. He was a tad unlucky with dropped catches. Had he taken Brathwaite, his own catch that ended up being a run out, he could have ended up with a few more.
Credit has to go to the Windies batsmen too. Shai Hope looks a good player.
In other news the Aussies just lost to Bangladesh, so the Ashes might end up being a battle of who's worse!
I liked the look of Wood before his loss of form, I'd bring him back in. The only bowler I've seen get close to 90mph. We saw the effectiveness of raw pace in our first innings against Gabriel who bowled very well and very fast, without much effort I noticed.
Our batting line up worries me too. If it wasn't for that fantastic middle order of Root, Stokes, Bairstow and Ali, we'd have lost a lot more Tests this summer. Malan, Westley, Stoneman, Ballance and Jennings have been terrible. Cook doesn't fill me with confidence either. Get a good/full length outside off stump and it's as if he's never seen a cricket ball before. Massive weakness to exploit for bowlers. I liked the look of Hameed when he got his chance. I hear his form has been woeful of late, but he's the only emerging player I've seen to have the technique and temperament to open the batting with Cook.
Moeen Ali was the biggest disappointment with the ball. Roston Chase got the ball to turn consistently, whereas Ali bowled a very safe line against the Windies batsmen and failed to get consistent turn.
Root's captaincy wasn't great either. Gave 50 odd overs to Broad and Anderson on that last day, yet Stokes and Woakes got 10-15 between them all day I think. Yes they are your senior bowlers, but they have to be able to be backed up, at least by the 3rd seamer (Woakes) and they can't do that unless they're given the ball. He wasn't scared of defeat when he declared with a lead of 322, so he shouldn't have been scared to give the ball to his backup bowlers.
I don't think Broad should be dropped as mentioned on here. For a start, for who?! Secondly, he still possesses the ability to take a 5-for in no time once he gets pumping. He was a tad unlucky with dropped catches. Had he taken Brathwaite, his own catch that ended up being a run out, he could have ended up with a few more.
Credit has to go to the Windies batsmen too. Shai Hope looks a good player.
In other news the Aussies just lost to Bangladesh, so the Ashes might end up being a battle of who's worse!
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Spurs 1961
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England are going to find what other teams have done. Lose two world class bowlers, Anderson and Broad, and everything changes
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Could be a blessing in disguise in my view. Root has had the rub of the green up until now, and our team still think they are better than they are. I didn't agree with the declaration, we were 1-0 and in no need of chasing anything. Now we are going into a pressure game at Lords to try and win a series against statistically the "worst test playing nation".
I'm not a huge fan of Broad but the comments are a bit unjust to be honest, he had Cook drop a relative sitter and then shelled one of his own bowling, things could have been a bit different. Woakes was horribly undercooked and down on pace from before his injury, I can see why we put him in but it's backfired on us.
Mo bowled pretty poorly, ridiculously from the wrong end for about two hours though, couldn't understand that one.
All to play for at Lords, wouldn't be shocked to see ToRoJo come in for one of the seamers that have played all through the summer. Also be interesting to see what sort of pitch they prepare at Lords, hopefully not the usual featherbed.
Last note, Shai Hope is some player though, what a superstar.
I'm not a huge fan of Broad but the comments are a bit unjust to be honest, he had Cook drop a relative sitter and then shelled one of his own bowling, things could have been a bit different. Woakes was horribly undercooked and down on pace from before his injury, I can see why we put him in but it's backfired on us.
Mo bowled pretty poorly, ridiculously from the wrong end for about two hours though, couldn't understand that one.
All to play for at Lords, wouldn't be shocked to see ToRoJo come in for one of the seamers that have played all through the summer. Also be interesting to see what sort of pitch they prepare at Lords, hopefully not the usual featherbed.
Last note, Shai Hope is some player though, what a superstar.
