The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 15 June 2011

[danielneeds]

Nail on the head and there is only one man to blame for that..... He can come out and posture as much as he likes and make threats of quitting if we sell our best players, but the bottom line is he allowed our team to go on a massive slump after the Milan away game and done nothing to address the problem....

So does he get any credit for getting us to QF of the CL or does he only get blame for us running out of steam?

 

[StartingPrice]

There is no way of knowing if Modric will have his head turned and want to leave.
We have his word that he won't try to 'force' a move - it is up to the individual, at this moment to decide whether to trust that or not.
The most viable evidence we have, re: two statements each from modric, Levy and Redknapp, and one from his agent, and his proxy (Corluka, who says he stays but wants to see ambition from club in transfer market), all indicate that he is staying.
As I said, above, there areother considerations, like the relationship between Levy and Modder's agent and the Chairman of Dinamo, and the club accord (for want of a better word), we have with them, and the work this is doing in revitalising the area. To ignore them is to be blind.
It is also blind to ignore the fact that Modders wouldn't mind being paid double the salary and playing in a team that has more (sadly, ATM) chance of winning things.
So, it all comes down to whether you are prepared to trust the man, or not; whether you believe some players have more than just money on their minds; whether you are prepared to believe in the only evidence we have so far, or get jittery and believe in the wholly nebulous argument of previous behaviour (and ignoring the facts that circumstances and the position of the club are different now).

Personally, I am prepared to be optimistic andaccept the evidence as it stands for the moment, and not get bogged down in smoking mirrors ATM, and trust the fella, and believe that players aren't just motivated by money. I'm also prepared to believe that the club can just blank turn down any offer and if the player really does kick up a stink pointat the 5 year contract.

I hope this doesn't seem like blind optimism.

 

[sunnydelight786]

So does he get any credit for getting us to QF of the CL or does he only get blame for us running out of steam?

Is that what it's all about though, the only thing we got to crow about.....? Last season was a MASSIVE chance for us to establish ourselves as a CL club. City were not exactly great after Xmas and we had a chance to go 3rd, above City and 5 clear of Chelsea, if we had beaten Blackpool away. We lost that and went on a downward spiral, but all we kept hearing were the same excuses and the same team being rolled out even though we have a unreal squad.... No point bitching about it now as the moment we lost CL footy was the moment we became open to bids and speculation like this....

 

[werty]

And if it wasn't for said person, we wouldn't be having this discussion because Modric would've been sold last summer after we failed to qualify for the CL.

 

[sbrustad]

And if it wasn't for said person, we wouldn't be having this discussion because Modric would've been sold last summer after we failed to qualify for the CL.

Important point. Amazing with all the Harry-bashing on here.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

And if it wasn't for said person, we wouldn't be having this discussion because Modric would've been sold last summer after we failed to qualify for the CL.

So if he deserves the credit for last season's achievement, does he not deserve the criticism for this season's failure to achieve the achievable ? specially when he clearly made mistakes that influenced the failure.

 

[Bobbins]

It's hard to figure out which is most annoying, the eternal optimists claiming that there are real reasons why Modric wouldn't happily skip his way to Old Trafford given the opportunity or the wrist slashers blaming anything but the fact that this is how the world - especially the football world - works. It's not Modric's fault, he's doing what most people would do if offered more money and more glory in a money and glory business.

Go and ask any artist if he would rather exhibit at the town hall and sell his pictures for £50 or at White Cube and sell them for £50,000.

And Levy handles these situations better than most in his position. We don't get bent over, we make the right noises and postures but we CAN NOT STOP THE WORLD FROM TURNING any more than ManU could stop Real taking Ronaldo, or Arsenal could stop Overmars, Petit, Adebayor, Diarra, Hleb and soon Fabregas being taken.

We are all susceptible to the bigger fish in the food chain. All fish are, it's just that there are fewer predators the further up the food chain you go.

Our players and Chairman are under pressure because we failed to win a game for nearly three months against mostly inferior opposition. CL football would have made a lot of this pressure go away.

This is an inevitability. If Levy keeps Modric here one more season I think he's pulled off the unbelievable. I won't blame either if he can't. Modric has already issued the not very thinly veiled "come on" and his agent is no doubt already choosing to upgrade to the marble shower fittings in his monaco moored yacht.

And no, an offer doesn't mean we have to sell, but Brett's right, this is how the game begins and no-one gives a fuck when it's us doing it.

What's probably most annoying is these kind of 'Modric is gone' junk posts, when literally nothing has happened and you have no way of knowing whatsoever if a move is even being considered by any of the involved parties, let alone knowing for sure that he's definitely going.

This is total supposition written as fact. Modric hasn't 'done' anything. He also hasn't issued any kind of 'come and get me' plea, unless you're very much into Daily Mail re-writing of quotes to suit an agenda.

Modric is going nowhere. That's the only possible conclusion based on the actual, available facts as we have them at the moment.

I would've thought the people who flew off the handle as a result of Roger Morgan's info should surely now be completely placated due to Peanut's info, no?

Why believe one ITK and not another?

 

[werty]

So if he deserves the credit for last season's achievement, does he not deserve the criticism for this season's failure to achieve the achievable ? specially when he clearly made mistakes that influenced the failure.

Yes, he does deserve criticism, although I don't think he was the main reason for not finishing in the top 4(that's for a different thread). But like I said, if we didn't finish 4th last season then we would have waved goodbye to Modric last season, as well as a few more players. We probably wouldn't have been able to attract the likes of VDV and Gallas, maybe even Sandro too. It doesn't look like we're going to lose any of the stars this summer, so last years success has made much more of an impact than this year "failure".

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Yes, he does deserve criticism, although I don't think he was the main reason for not finishing in the top 4(that's for a different thread). But like I said, if we didn't finish 4th last season then we would have waved goodbye to Modric last season, as well as a few more players. We probably wouldn't have been able to attract the likes of VDV and Gallas, maybe even Sandro too. It doesn't look like we're going to lose any of the stars this summer, so last years success has made much more of an impact than this year "failure".

Sandro had already signed. Modric had spent half the season injured and hadn't quite advertised his wares like this year. VDV and Gallas I agree, very likely neither would have come.

So where does that leave us. Redknapp gets credit for helping us achieve 4th last year and the rewards, but criticism for his part in us not getting it this year and the pressure and difficulties that has put us in.

Fair ?

 

[Rout-Ledge]

As far as I'm concerned, discussing how blameworthy Harry was for not qualifying for the CL is irrelevant as it looks like he's staying. What needs to happen now, if we're serious about pushing forward, is a couple of important signings to show we mean business and obviously holding onto our main men. If we don't do that, I'm not sure we're serious about improving. If that's the case, we might as well pack up and go home.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

What's probably most annoying is these kind of 'Modric is gone' junk posts, when literally nothing has happened and you have no way of knowing whatsoever if a move is even being considered by any of the involved parties, let alone knowing for sure that he's definitely going.

This is total supposition written as fact. Modric hasn't 'done' anything. He also hasn't issued any kind of 'come and get me' plea, unless you're very much into Daily Mail re-writing of quotes to suit an agenda.

Modric is going nowhere. That's the only possible conclusion based on the actual, available facts as we have them at the moment.

I would've thought the people who flew off the handle as a result of Roger Morgan's info should surely now be completely placated due to Peanut's info, no?

Why believe one ITK and not another?

Why indeed.

Modric may be going nowhere, and then again he may.

But if "I like it here but if someone offers spurs the right deal I will move" sounds like he's not up for it then you are guilty of the crime of your sig.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

Nail on the head and there is only one man to blame for that..... He can come out and posture as much as he likes and make threats of quitting if we sell our best players, but the bottom line is he allowed our team to go on a massive slump after the Milan away game and done nothing to address the problem....

Utter bollox, Redknapp doesn't deserve all the blame for our failures just like he doesn't deserve all the credit for our achievements. It's a team game and during our bad spell of results we put in some good performances we just could hit a cows arse with a banjo in front of goal.

 

[werty]

Sandro had already signed. Modric had spent half the season injured and hadn't quite advertised his wares like this year. VDV and Gallas I agree, very likely neither would have come.

So where does that leave us. Redknapp gets credit for helping us achieve 4th last year and the rewards, but criticism for his part in us not getting it this year and the pressure and difficulties that has put us in.

Fair ?

Can't remember when Sandro was offical because the transfer seemed to take a year to complete so I'll concede that. Modric played a big part when he came back from injury and I'm pretty sure some of the big teams were sniffing around before he signed a new contract. I doubt he would have signed a new deal if we only finished 5th. Same goes for Bale.

Your second paragraph is pretty fair and I'm sure even Harry's biggest supporters will say he's made mistakes last year. I'm not sure if we'd be under any less pressure or difficulties though.

 

[steve]

I think Luka will stay this season and if we fail to get CL next season he'll go. And I think the club will sell it to him like this IF he goes a knocking on the door asking to leave (which I'm not sure he will - but wtf do I know?).

This window is MASSIVE for that very reason - keep what we've got and get the right players in and we could challenge for the title...of the other teams last season who was impressive? And if we do challenge then it shows our best players we are competing to be the best...it's our biggest transfer window in years and one we MUST deliver in...

 

[eViL]

Quite a few sandy vaginas in this forum eh?

 

[Twizzle]

maybe we should rename this thread to the Luka Modric thread

hang on, doesn't he already play for us ?

 

[marvel]

maybe we should rename this thread to the Luka Modric thread

hang on, doesn't he already play for us ?

Itk?

 

[Joe091]

I'd be gutted to see Modric go, but I'm assuming this next season will be his final one at Spurs. His head will be turned. But I do think Marin would be the ideal replacement, counter to what a few others have said. Plus I think Marin would chip in with a few more goals than Luka.

 

[Viva la Tottenham]

I'd be gutted to see Modric go, but I'm assuming this next season will be his final one at Spurs. His head will be turned. But I do think Marin would be the ideal replacement, counter to what a few others have said. Plus I think Marin would chip in with a few more goals than Luka.

and he'd play in a completely different position

Marin is not a CM, he's a winger or AM at a push

I'd love him at Tottenham along with Adebayor and Leandro

 

[Bobbins]

Why indeed.

Modric may be going nowhere, and then again he may.

But if "I like it here but if someone offers spurs the right deal I will move" sounds like he's not up for it then you are guilty of the crime of your sig.

All he's saying with that is that if we get a mega money offer and want to accept it, he won't be pissed off and would be willing to move.

Very, very different from actually actively wanting to move. IMO.