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JCRD

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Unless we are after the likes of Messi or Dembele from Barca I dont get how or why we have hit a brick wall with transfers. I genuinely dont

I personally dont think we should be settling for second best and if that means waiting then we wait. There must be a plan B however because you cant go on wanting to sign the two or three exact players but unable to get them. Plenty more fish in the sea to so speak
 

Joely

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Also feel we are played by a lot by player agents/representatives. No doubt we go in with intentions of signing players but any player whose stock is risen/rising is probably being told to wait and hold out for a club who have the ability to offer more £££s. If that offer doesn't materialise for whatever reason, then we become an option for said player. This probably applies even more so in the January window
 

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Also - stating the obvious - but when it comes to recruiting players, it would be helpful if Poch was more emphatic about staying here. Poch is a huge selling point - but only if players know for certain he is committed, and not running off to Manchester or Madrid this summer.
 

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Levy has and Levy never will throw money at a problem. Unfortunately now, the players we want ether require some significant funds in order to be aquiered or are being chased by bigger clubs then us. At least that's my reading of it. Now I don't blame Levy for failing to buy a player that would rather go to Barca or PSG etc. But if we really want to move forward as a club then money needs to be spent. The nature of the modern game is pay to win and the more you pay the more you win, City and even Liverpool are the examples. If the club is content to keep getting top four and patting themselves on the back to be doing it in a financially reserved manner then we are doing fine. And tbh I wish we could win the league like that, but I just don't believe you can in this day and age, especially in the most competitive league in the world. I also doubt our star players would be okay if we continue as we have been. Eriksen is going to be a huge loss next season, and we already have a number of holes in the squad. If we loose him and Toby then we will be down a world class AM and CD on top of a CM, DM (assuming Vic is done for) and a second striker. And that's not even considering our need for upgrading our full backs. Even for a team like City that would be a very hard task to sort out in one window.

All that said, I understand the stadium has been a mess of a build and must be causing a lot of issues behind the scenes. And as much as Levy and Poch will say otherwise, it must be having a big knock on effect on our transfer policy. But if we can't subsidies Poch and give him what he needs to move forward then we have to accept things could, and very possibly will, get worse before they get better. With the stadium, training facilities etc we will be very well set up for a successful future, but we may have to come to terms with that future happening without the likes of Poch and Eriksen. Hopefully things, and by that I mean Levy, change in the near future but if he doesn't then at least we are still in the best situation our club has been in for a very, very, very long time. Ultimately he is a businessman and will be aware of the financial loss the club will suffer if we fall out of the top four. For that reason alone I still hold out hope he will eventually loosen his purse strings.... just a little bit more.

Saying all that... sign a fucking CM Levy!!!
Please
 
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Blue

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Could be so many different variables to this problem. It seems we are caught between being a stepping stone and a contender for something greater (which is probably confusing to potential new signings) - we have to decide what we're wanting to be.

We don't have the reputation of the big boys just yet. We have to win something (sigh) or pay up. Every player and agent has a price but its probably also the case that the biggest talents wants a more amibitious move. Maybe it will take some more years of getting top 4 and building our reputation? Maybe people are unsure whether poch are planing to stay longterm or not? all this is probably affecting our pull. One thing is certain though: if poch leaves we're back to square one and it will probably take us longer to rebuild compared to the other top six..
 

Jaddas

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We’re 1 game away from a cup final, still in CL and FA cup with tough, but winnable games, plus fighting to secure CL football at our new stadium for next season. Surely now’s the time to push the boat out a little?

I find it hard to believe there is no one out there who can improve us, is gettable and Poch wants? What the bloody hell are our scouts doing?

Poch wanted Barkley and Grealish so can’t imagine his wants are all unrealistic.

Trix said that movement was needed on both sides for Werner so move a bit more than normal. The extra can be repaid by securing CL for next season alone.

Something doesn’t seem right.
 

SpartanSpur

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We’re 1 game away from a cup final, still in CL and FA cup with tough, but winnable games, plus fighting to secure CL football at our new stadium for next season. Surely now’s the time to push the boat out a little?

I find it hard to believe there is no one out there who can improve us, is gettable and Poch wants? What the bloody hell are our scouts doing?

Poch wanted Barkley and Grealish so can’t imagine his wants are all unrealistic.

Trix said that movement was needed on both sides for Werner so move a bit more than normal. The extra can be repaid by securing CL for next season alone.

Something doesn’t seem right.

Stadium is my guess
 

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I suspect that something has to change if we really believe we will do better in the summer operating the way we do. I already stated that our preferred is not their preferred. That is why I stated that challenging times for the club and Poch. We can’t get his preferred, he has to go have a long hard look at himself. Not a criticism, but observation.

Barring Adebayor and Scott Parker, have we ever delivered targets a manager has wanted during Levy’s tenure? ?
 

Mr Pink

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Think most are past caring about the inner workings of why we're not signing reinforcements.

It's abundantly clear that we need to, and however certain comprises are achieved in house, the only thing that matters is we get some in to help us cope with fighting on four fronts.

Surely Poch would consider short term options if they improve our chances of achieving certain objectives for THIS SEASON.
 

Blue

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Think most are past caring about the inner workings of why we're not signing reinforcements.

It's abundantly clear that we need to, and however certain comprises are achieved in house, the only thing that matters is we get some in to help us cope with fighting on four fronts.

Surely Poch would consider short term options if they improve our chances of achieving certain objectives for THIS SEASON.

Not so sure about that. If he's planning to stay long term those players would potentially be players we would struggle to get rid of in a years time. He wants the players he thinks could take us to the next level right now and not some short term options.
 

Jaddas

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Stadium is my guess

I think you’re probably right and it might be more to do with it being over budget and consequent other factors such as renting Wembley.

Just sucks a bit as i’m 43 years old and this is the best it’s been for a long time. I look forward to watching us play and challenging the elite. I like going in to work where there are goons, scousers, mancs etc and I know there is some envy for us. I feel proud to support my team.

Just a shame Levy can’t act on the good feeling Poch gives us, as well as players like Harry, Son etc and help the manager out.
 
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Majick

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Unless those short term deals are loans to the end of the season, I really don't think he'd want another Llorente or Vorm taking up squad space beyond that.
 

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Levy has and Levy never will throw money at a problem. Unfortunately now, the players we want ether require some significant funds in order to be aquiered or are being chased by bigger clubs then us. At least that's my reading of it. Now I don't blame Levy for failing to buy a player that would rather go to Barca or PSG etc. But if we really want to move forward as a club then money needs to be spent. The nature of the modern game is pay to win and the more you pay the more you win, City and even Liverpool are the examples. If the club is content to keep getting top four and patting themselves on the back to be doing it in a financially reserved manner then we are doing fine. And tbh I wish we could win the league like that, but I just don't believe you can in this day and age, especially in the most competitive league in the world. I also doubt our star players would be okay if we continue as we have been. Eriksen is going to be a huge loss next season, and we already have a number of holes in the squad. If we loose him and Toby then we will be down a world class AM and CD on top of a CM, DM (assuming Vic is done for) and a second striker. And that's not even considering our need for upgrading our full backs. Even for a team like City that would be a very hard task to sort out in one window.

This is a very good point and is what makes two windows of no players even more frustrating. If they can't get even one done last summer, how do they expect to fill even more spots next summer? Eriksen will bring in some money when sold but due to contract they will probably get just close to what replacing him properly will cost. God forbid if they don't finish top 4 and lose that extra revenue. I could see it leading to selling of other valuable players to get funds to fill spots.
 

Teddy Klinsmann

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As if things will be different in the summer. Same old story. No ambition to drive on. I can understand few clubs make moves in January - however we’re now the supporting cast for Casulty. ENIC/Lewis/Levy consistently failing to deliver (and don’t mention stadium, it’s all being funded by loans and the club)
 

Mr Pink

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Not so sure about that. If he's planning to stay long term those players would potentially be players we would struggle to get rid of in a years time. He wants the players he thinks could take us to the next level right now and not some short term options.

If it was the difference between finishing top four or not, I think a short term option would be worth looking at. Probably loans though.
 

Ghost Hardware

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This is a very good point and is what makes two windows of no players even more frustrating. If they can't get even one done last summer, how do they expect to fill even more spots next summer? Eriksen will bring in some money when sold but due to contract they will probably get just close to what replacing him properly will cost. God forbid if they don't finish top 4 and lose that extra revenue. I could see it leading to selling of other valuable players to get funds to fill spots.
It’s going to be tricky to say the least. I also have a number of questions about our recruitment. Personally, i would really like us to get a talented DOF who could help with deals and put structure into our transfer policy. Because to me it seems an absolute mess which is not helped by having a very tight budget. As much as AZ’s ITK is incredibly frustrating considering how surprisingly well we have been doing, how many injuries we have had and selling one of best loved (even if he is past it) midfielders, I don’t think a single fan really expected us to sign anyone this Jan. if we couldn’t get a single deal over the line in Jan, Levy was never going to manage in Jan. not unless Poch decides to settle for second best. There is only one player I have seen us linked to that might make sense and that is purely because it would be a loan. Nobody else is going to be doable withinout budget, zero chance we can get Werner considering they are fighting for the lives to stay in the top 4 for example.
 

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Loans will do just fine if poch or Levy is not convinced. I don't care if the loanee will not be here next season, or if we are seen to be 'developing another clubs player' (what a load of BS), if they help us for this season they are worth getting in.
 

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so poch wants only certain players..they are unlikely to come to us even though we have supposedly £100m. You have to ask yourself one question...if you were a striker why would come to us? Its only likely to be for 4 weeks that you may be 1st choice
 

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so poch wants only certain players..they are unlikely to come to us even though we have supposedly £100m. You have to ask yourself one question...if you were a striker why would come to us? Its only likely to be for 4 weeks that you may be 1st choice

It’s why they need to be versatile (like Timo Werner).
 
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