The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 17th June 2015

[PT]

Southampton are already close to signing the Clyne replacement.

Fogonthe?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Two quick things ftom ITK

Firstly, I think the air of caution surrounding Yedlin is based solely on his nationality. There's an underbelly of snobbery to suggest he wont improve us. Ive just seen a US team BEAT Holland and world champions Germany in their own back yard. They looked excellent, and they are excited about Yedlin. I think he will play a substantial role this season.

Secondly Im optimistic because we seemingly dont want Cabaye. That says to me that we EXPECT to sign Scneidrlin, kramer, bender or Imbula.

Id be happy with that

I watched the Germany game and Yedlin had a decent game, got forward and set up a couple of great chances whilst not looking out of depth defensively either.

He's young, he's a bit green, he's not the most intelligent footballer, but as FB's go, especially the ones we've been playing in the last couple of years (Walker, Naughton, Chriches and Dier) I really don't see why there is this reluctance to give him games. I don't know what he does in training but I've watched him play for the US in the WC and against Germany, for Seattle twice, for our U21's and a couple of friendly games and I haven't seen him look disastrous once, unlike all the aforementioned.

I don't think he's going to be as good as KWP, who has all the attributes IMO to be a great FB, but I really don't get why he seems to be deemed untrustworthy.

Do you mean the underbelly of snobbery is coming from within the club or the fans ?

 

[thinktank]

DeAndre must really like competition.

Not quite enough though it would seem.

 

[ryantegan]

I watched the Germany game and Yedlin had a decent game, got forward and set up a couple of great chances whilst not looking out of depth defensively either.

He's young, he's a bit green, he's not the most intelligent footballer, but as FB's go, especially the ones we've been playing in the last couple of years (Walker, Naughton, Chriches and Dier) I really don't see why there is this reluctance to give him games. I don't know what he does in training but I've watched him play for the US in the WC and against Germany, for Seattle twice, for our U21's and a couple of friendly games and I haven't seen him look disastrous once, unlike all the aforementioned.

I don't think he's going to be as good as KWP, who has all the attributes IMO to be a great FB, but I really don't get why he seems to be deemed untrustworthy.

Do you mean the underbelly of snobbery is coming from within the club or the fans ?

I think football in general has been slow to accept that the US is producing some excellent footballers

Maybe this is their golden generation and opinions may change

 

[newbie]

I watched the Germany game and Yedlin had a decent game, got forward and set up a couple of great chances whilst not looking out of depth defensively either.

He's young, he's a bit green, he's not the most intelligent footballer, but as FB's go, especially the ones we've been playing in the last couple of years (Walker, Naughton, Chriches and Dier) I really don't see why there is this reluctance to give him games. I don't know what he does in training but I've watched him play for the US in the WC and against Germany, for Seattle twice, for our U21's and a couple of friendly games and I haven't seen him look disastrous once, unlike all the aforementioned.

I don't think he's going to be as good as KWP, who has all the attributes IMO to be a great FB, but I really don't get why he seems to be deemed untrustworthy.

Do you mean the underbelly of snobbery is coming from within the club or the fans ?

I do agree, but I also wonder if I was poch and I didn't rate a player (think fergie) I would be singing his praises and no one would know I didn't rate him levy and coaches a side. So I find it funny how we hear rumours that his not rated yet don't hear the same rumours about other players. It'd not like his on massive wages like other players and the kid has so much pace he has to be useful in some way.

 

[daveduvet]

In regards to the Trippier deal, I have spoken to somebody who is close to Kyle Walkers family. Probably not too much of a big deal, but they blame Spurs for his long absence.
By all accounts our medical team kept pushing on treatment and rehab on one injury, refusing to delve any deeper. Consequently when that didnt work, they then discovered an injury which could have been repaired months previously.

I wonder how much of a strain that has put on him and us.

Plus he's moved house recently - in top 3 of life stressors! Oh, and he's got 2 dogs to settle too... Quite an affable chap tho according to my 7 & 8 year old nephews - autographs, pics etc..

 

[Mr Pink]

Two quick things ftom ITK

Firstly, I think the air of caution surrounding Yedlin is based solely on his nationality. There's an underbelly of snobbery to suggest he wont improve us. Ive just seen a US team BEAT Holland and world champions Germany in their own back yard. They looked excellent, and they are excited about Yedlin. I think he will play a substantial role this season.

Secondly Im optimistic because we seemingly dont want Cabaye. That says to me that we EXPECT to sign Scneidrlin, kramer, bender or Imbula.

Id be happy with that

I'd be happy to, but do we really think we're getting any of those? The latter looks like he's off to Italy as well.

 

[DaSpurs]

I think football in general has been slow to accept that the US is producing some excellent footballers

Maybe this is their golden generation and opinions may change

Not sure about a "golden generation," but Yedlin is part of the first wave of a very different approach to football development in the US.

Just over a decade ago, we didn't even have academies here. The system for improvement was terrible, as it was these recreational clubs which demanded incredibly high fees to join -> head to head tournaments -> selection for "Olympic Development Program" -> national team selection. The very immediate problem here is that when you're only culling from the people wealthy enough to pay for their kids to join these "clubs" in the first place, or players who just got lucky and found benefactors, your available selection is going to be utter shite. Most of those kids from those upper middle class/wealthier families come from families which wouldn't even support a career in sport anyway, and many of even the very best just end up choosing taking full scholarships to universities and then just working normal jobs.

That problem was identified, as it was embarrassing that a nation as large and resourceful as ours had such a terrible selection system and a very poor performance/population ratio. So about a decade ago, many of the MLS clubs began building academies, and many privately-funded academies with "elite club" teams sprouted up which gave top class training to kids from expanded local areas (such as the academy in Maryland where Zelalem was noticed playing for by Arsenal) which were funded and so could recruit the very best, not just the kids who could afford it.

Yedlin is a part of the first wave of this entirely new manner of football development in the US. Many of our current players were found by Klinsmann abroad, but there are now several coming few who were trained on US soil at these academies and are lightyears ahead of where guys 7-10 years older were at that point, guys such as Dempsey, Bradley, the wookie (Beckerman), etc. It's no coincidence so many of the current players in the US senior team were either trained in Germany or Mexico, are American-trained players whose careers only took off in their mid to late 20's, a age big gap, and then now these very young kids who were properly trained as the rest of the world has been doing for decades now. It took us awhile, but we've finally figured it out.

So not quite a "golden generation," but the first of a very different method of development. All this is good for Spurs (and other EPL clubs) in truth, as the more strongly developed English-speaking kids there are available, the more selection of quality there is willing to come to Spurs. I like to hope Spurs has/will acknowledge this, and will be watching more American talents as they're produced.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think football in general has been slow to accept that the US is producing some excellent footballers

Maybe this is their golden generation and opinions may change

I don't know about excellent footballers, but they are producing decent enough footballers and they are well organised and tactically efficient. They work hard and coherently and that can overcome individual deficiencies I think.

 

[smudger]

I don't think he's going to be as good as KWP, who has all the attributes IMO to be a great FB, but I really don't get why he seems to be deemed untrustworthy.

Not sure about KWP but what about Y.P.L ( young pyo Lee) surely this sort of full back should be the bench mark

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Not sure about KWP but what about Y.P.L ( young pyo Lee) surely this sort of full back should be the bench mark

YPL was a superb full back, woefully under valued by fans and Jol alike.

 

[Scott Spur]

I don't have a problem with either Wimmer or Trippier specifically but I do hope we go out and buy some genuine first teamers. They both remind me of the type of players we brought last summer, more players that flesh out the squad but do not really improve us. I would much prefer 2 quality signings than 6/7 of that type. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Levy sees it the same way as it is far riskier going all out for the marquee signings.

Im not sure if that's quite how Poch feels either, to be honest. Why else have we brought in Mitchell and his super player analysing computer system if we go out and buy the Tevez's of this world, we already know they are a bit good.

I can see us going all out for someone like Schneiderlin but I'd be surprised if we spend that kind of money twice or more this TW......I'm hoping Wimmer and Trippier have been well scouted for the potential they bring to the team not the clubs they came from or their price tags.

No guarantee this will work but we haven't exactly done well with 'marquee' signings of late.

 

[rossdapep]

I think we don't want Cabaye because he doesn't fit, so he's 28-29? I personally don't mind that, I think experience is important but I get the impression Poch is very focused on bringing in young players with potential and that's something that Levy enjoys too. I can't see us signing Kramer, not even a hope from me. Just feel champions league will keep it at Bayer and if not then another champions league team will sign him. As for Bender, maybe, but if we did then would that be a good thing? Isn't he very injury prone and would effectively be Sandro? A good player but constantly crocked and can't always be relied on as a result. As for Imbula, I think it's down to us. I think he's ours if we want him but we're weighing up other options first. Maybe the above options, and if that's the case then I think we'll end up with Imbula. Not seen him play so can't say if I'm happy with that or not but I do feel he ticks the boxes for a young, promising (so I hear) player that Levy and Poch would like to see here

I'd like to think we may have put the "feelers" out to see if Kramer is open to a move, that may be why he's a potential signing. Wouldn't want a moysey situation would we?!

 

[The Apprentice]

I'd be overjoyed if we kept Yedlin, gained Trippier and sold Walker. We'd make money and be no worse off.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

I don't have a problem with either Wimmer or Trippier specifically but I do hope we go out and buy some genuine first teamers. They both remind me of the type of players we brought last summer, more players that flesh out the squad but do not really improve us. I would much prefer 2 quality signings than 6/7 of that type. Unfortunately, I'm not sure Levy sees it the same way as it is far riskier going all out for the marquee signings.

its exactly the same as last summer as you said, all defensive signings too.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

its already looking the same as last summer, signings back ups rather then first team, hopefully this changes.

We're in June, mate. The non-first-team transfers are bound to take place more quickly as well.

 

[Nanky_1988]

I'd be overjoyed if we kept Yedlin, gained Trippier and sold Walker. We'd make money and be no worse off.

People love to slate walker but when hea good hes very good! Needs to work on his football brain and concentration but has alot of assets to be a top FB. Im not saying he will be but maybe with Trippier for competition he'll progress!!

 

[Hoopspur]

Today is the 18th June and the sense of panic has started already. It seems we only have a list of 4 possible midfielders (from the whole World!) and Cabaye as a last gasp purchase. If we fail to buy him then we are surely doomed.

ITK has seemingly dried up on possible new names and we are all here chasing our tails. I am sure the club have made plans and we are working at them.

 

[yankspurs]

I think football in general has been slow to accept that the US is producing some excellent footballers

Maybe this is their golden generation and opinions may change

Lets be real, we could produce the next Messi and people still wouldnt accept American footballers.

 

[jurgen]

Problem is, you already said you did, but he was Freddy Adu