The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 18 May 2011

[BringBack_leGin]

If you genuinely believe that Rossie would've usuerped any of Rooney, Berbatov, Tevez (at the time that Rossi was there) or Chicharito now then yes.

 

[punky]

And if it goes well it's down to who? Because I see very few people giving Harry any credit for Sandro...

Why would Harry get any credit for Sandro? He didn't unearth him, Broomfield did. Harry said he never even watched him. Levy pushed so, so hard to make the transfer work including the tie-in with internacional. Harry joked that if Sandro was a failure Broomfield's head will roll and while it was a joke the implication was there. Harry was trying to distance himself from the transfer.

Last season Harry improved the squad with Gallas (Prem proven, experience, quality), van der Vaart (top of his game, experience) and Sandro (upcoming youngster). He did it last year, why all the worry?

Gallas has come and been excellent. I've never said otherwise although he has struggled for fitness generally. Perez contacted Levy (as they apparently have genial relations) regarding VdV as quick sale to boost income. It wasn't like the player was ruthless persued by Harry. Levy rung Harry and asked if he wanted the player. Harry said any manager would, checked it with Bond and said to go ahead with it. Sandro was Broomfield's baby.

I didn't disagree when he brought in Gallas as he was an excellent stand-in for King/Woodgate. However it seems like Harry is trying to re-wire almost the entire team with geriatrics and cripples. Neville just isn't needed. Ditto Parker. Ditto Bellamy.

He doesn't just talk about signing experienced players, but because it frustrates you it's making a bigger impact when you read it. He's said he likes other players, and when has he ever just signed old experienced players? He certainly hasn't done that with us.

It's not so much the players that he has signed but the players he has tried Neville/Parker/Bellamy.

And if he isn't just talking about signing experienced players then why is that the only quotes floating about? Surely you could find some ones.

I don't think Neville is better than what we have, so I wouldn't sign him. I think Ferdinand is, so maybe would depending on fitness. If a 30 year old is a better player than what we've currently got and can do a job why not? It doesn't mean we'll sell everybody else though. You're being ridiculous.

Ferdinand is an excellent defender but I don't think he's a great fit for us. There is a difference. Harry's not playing Championship Manager where he picks players from a list with numbers next to their name.

I never said we would sell everyone else, you're putting words in my mouth. THAT is ridiculous.

 

[brett.spurs]

If you genuinely believe that Rossie would've usuerped any of Rooney, Berbatov, Tevez (at the time that Rossi was there) or Chicharito now then yes.

Berba and Tevez joined after Rossi was sold. Sold for £6m and now heading to Barca for 5x that, there's a reason Barca want him.

 

[stemark44]

Rossi left United for the exact same reasons that Taarabt wanted to leave us.
Wasn't getting 1st team football and wanted to go to another club where he would.

 

[nicdic]

When I have ever say I had a problem with it? And it was always clear that Sherwood worked with the academy.

However if Redknapp delegates buying youngsters to Sherwood and Sherwood effs-up then it is still Redknapp's responsibility.

Here, you've said that it's Harry's fault if whoever is buying the youngsters messes up.

I'll go with that, if he gets the credit if it goes well too. It's not fair to have it both ways.

Why would Harry get any credit for Sandro? He didn't unearth him, Broomfield did. Harry said he never even watched him. Levy pushed so, so hard to make the transfer work including the tie-in with internacional. Harry joked that if Sandro was a failure Broomfield's head will roll and while it was a joke the implication was there. Harry was trying to distance himself from the transfer.

Here, you've said that it's Harry's fault if whoever is buying the youngsters messes up.

When I have ever say I had a problem with it? And it was always clear that Sherwood worked with the academy.

However if Redknapp delegates buying youngsters to Sherwood and Sherwood effs-up then it is still Redknapp's responsibility.

I'll go with that, if he gets the credit if it goes well too. It's not fair to have it both ways.

Gallas has come and been excellent. I've never said otherwise although he has struggled for fitness generally. Perez contacted Levy (as they apparently have genial relations) regarding VdV as quick sale to boost income. It wasn't like the player was ruthless persued by Harry. Levy rung Harry and asked if he wanted the player. Harry said any manager would, checked it with Bond and said to go ahead with it. Sandro was Broomfield's baby.

I didn't disagree when he brought in Gallas as he was an excellent stand-in for King/Woodgate. However it seems like Harry is trying to re-wire almost the entire team with geriatrics and cripples. Neville just isn't needed. Ditto Parker. Ditto Bellamy.

I've said it numerous times on here, but we did go for VDV at the beginning of the window but baulked at the huge fee that Real were asking for. Window comes to a close, Mourinho's made it it clear Rafa isn't in his plans, and we get a call. VDV was identified by Harry, Levy closed the deal out.

It's not so much the players that he has signed but the players he has tried Neville/Parker/Bellamy.

As for the other players, Parker is an upgrade on Palacios and Jenas, shipping those two out for Parker is a good move, improves the squad a lot.

Neville in January could have been a good buy. I think if he'd come in and played as a right back that would have been good, especially with the injury problems there and having to play Kaboul out of position. I'm not saying I'd have chosen to go and get him, but can see why we were interested.

Last summer I'd have taken Bellamy. He'd had a great season at City, and was looking like he was at the top of his game. Would I take him now? Not a chance.

And if he isn't just talking about signing experienced players then why is that the only quotes floating about? Surely you could find some ones.

He's said he likes Hazard, he's been traipsing around Europe watching players. Yes he's said there are players over here that he'd like but buying experience isn't exactly a bad thing or always a bad thing. I can't be bothered to search out quotes, but I've read plenty of articles about where Harry is or he is watching to know that he's not just after these prem proven golden oldies.

Ferdinand is an excellent defender but I don't think he's a great fit for us. There is a difference. Harry's not playing Championship Manager where he picks players from a list with numbers next to their name.

I never said we would sell everyone else, you're putting words in my mouth. THAT is ridiculous.

I think both you and Brett, though mainly Brett have said that buying some older experienced players would mean that we'd lose our young players. I don't agree.

As for Ferdinand, I think it would be a good fit, if we couldn't get better, which would be hard, and are going to strengthen at centre back, we can't really do any worse.

 

[Legacy]

Rule of thumb, if a player is rejected by Fergie or Wenger, don't sign them.

Palacios and Diarra immediately come to mind there.

Ferguson rarely gets it wrong though, I agree.

 

[marvel]

Palacios and Diarra immediately come to mind there.

Ferguson rarely gets it wrong though, I agree.

And he said Modric wouldnt cut it in the premier league

 

[liam17oi]

@ShakaHislop
Shaka Hislop
talkSPORT- Chelsea, Manchester City & Tottenham are all chasing 19-year-old Belgian goalkeeper, Thibaut Courtois.

@ShakaHislop
Shaka Hislop
More on Courtois- He plays for Racing Genk in Belgium & made his debut in April 09. Here's a video-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_CPhTnvB_w

Never heard of him myself

 

[bilburger]

Redknapp in France....

Anyone know which game he's at?

 

[ryantegan]

Redknapp in France....

Anyone know which game he's at?

Lille v Psg

Hazard and Gervinho

I reckon he might go for both here, just my opinion

 

[brett.spurs]

PSG - Lille most likely, maybe Nice - Lorient.

 

[ryantegan]

got a link to it on pm if any one wants it

 

[spursn17]

hazard reminds me of a nasri, poss future modric replacement?, gervinho looks a frustrating player, do something great then tread on the ball, u reckon we might go in for these two then ryan?

 

[punky]

Here, you've said that it's Harry's fault if whoever is buying the youngsters messes up.

I'll go with that, if he gets the credit if it goes well too. It's not fair to have it both ways.

There's a bit of a slight of hand there. Harry is responsible for every player going in or out of the first team squad, young or old, good or bad. However the credit for the Sandro transfer surely should go to Broomfield. Harry had the final descision and his descision was to buy him but distance himself from the kid (presumably damage limitation if he didn't settle). Why should Harry get any plaudits from it.

I've said it numerous times on here, but we did go for VDV at the beginning of the window but baulked at the huge fee that Real were asking for. Window comes to a close, Mourinho's made it it clear Rafa isn't in his plans, and we get a call. VDV was identified by Harry, Levy closed the deal out.

I thought that was rumour, not fact that Harry mentioned VdV as a alternative when Joe Cole went to Liverpool. Even if Harry/Levy baulked at the initial price Harry never persued him with any vigour. I didn't recall VdV even being linked in the press until the final day. Taking your account as gospel, VdV could probably be best described as an oppotunistic signing (like Pienaar who hasn't set the club alight since he arrived) and not part of a coherent policy

As for the other players, Parker is an upgrade on Palacios and Jenas, shipping those two out for Parker is a good move, improves the squad a lot.

Your opinion. I disagreee

He's said he likes Hazard, he's been traipsing around Europe watching players. Yes he's said there are players over here that he'd like but buying experience isn't exactly a bad thing or always a bad thing. I can't be bothered to search out quotes, but I've read plenty of articles about where Harry is or he is watching to know that he's not just after these prem proven golden oldies.

I did see the Hazard quote - all he said was that he liked him which with Harry could reference almost anyone. Harry did say in the same quote that experienced EPL players are his priority.

I think both you and Brett, though mainly Brett have said that buying some older experienced players would mean that we'd lose our young players. I don't agree.

More senior players coming in would force younger players out. I double Bassong would want out if we hadn't have bought Gallas. Kranjcar may have been easier to pacifer if it wasn't for Pienaar. etc. It's not always a bad thing but not alwas a good thing either and certainly not when you're talking 3+ players at a time.

 

[ryantegan]

hazard reminds me of a nasri, poss future modric replacement?, gervinho looks a frustrating player, do something great then tread on the ball, u reckon we might go in for these two then ryan?

Harry is making a consious effort to make himself known to the players clearly. Its a tactic that worked with Berbatov, we watched him for a long time.

Harry also touched on the fact that we might have to move early in the window for 2 players.

 

[spursn17]

Harry is making a consious effort to make himself known to the players clearly. Its a tactic that worked with Berbatov, we watched him for a long time.

Harry also touched on the fact that we might have to move early in the window for 2 players.

interesting, cheers....these 2 would also fit a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 system as well if thats where we wanted to go, with a more fluid system next season, just need the one to play the front man

 

[ryantegan]

interesting, cheers....these 2 would also fit a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 system as well if thats where we wanted to go, with a more fluid system next season, just need the one to play the front man

:shrug: really? unlike us to need just a decent front man

 

[brett.spurs]

hazard reminds me of a nasri, poss future modric replacement?, gervinho looks a frustrating player, do something great then tread on the ball, u reckon we might go in for these two then ryan?

I don't think they're anything alike tbh, apart from all being small :shrug:

 

[ryantegan]

I don't think they're anything alike tbh, apart from all being small :shrug:

Hazard attempted a header towards the end of the first half, and Ive got to say, his technique was superb

 

[spursn17]

I don't think they're anything alike tbh, apart from all being small :shrug:

nasri will end up playing as an attacking central midfielder imo, hazard plays that role at lille