The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 1st September 2015 DEADLINE DAY!

[Gb160]

I'm not advocating COYS style ITK roasting but the whole "I don't believe the bad news because JJ is still positive" stuff is just beyond silly.

Not really, his hit rate is superb.
Still, each to their own.

 

[arunspurs]

I thinks it time our club recognizes the fact that with huge influx of TV money, a deal worth of 25m (let alone 15m) will no longer guarantee buying a good player within PL. Even Blackburn Rovers relegated 3 years ago can afford to keep a 35k a week striker, rejecting 12m deal.

 

[McFlash]

Delete my account when you see this, I don't care.

All these 'ITK's' are complete and utter c**ts.
The genius Goat who has his own section on this forum has literally never got anything right! "Spurs have £40m overdraft at the ready" good one you clown.

The admins of this site shouldn't sanction such bull shit idiots as they get people's hopes up and then the fans get more annoyed as it becomes an expectation cos some Virgin had nothing else better to do than to make up rumours.

Erm, I think you're failing to grasp...like...everything!
The only person that got your hopes up was you and if you can't grasp the basis on which itk works, then the banstick is probably what's best for you. It'll put you out of your misery.
Plus, you'll be back to school this week.

 

[McFlash]

Now we have a meltdown...

"the goat is an utter virgin"

I love that post, it's my favourite post of the window. Even better than BC's post earlier!

 

[arunspurs]

JJ is a Spurs fan and doesnt act like a WUM. He says what he hears & he is very cautious with every word he utters. People have to understand that things change, especially when we deal on dead line days - where things change by minute.

 

[McFlash]

Shouldn't the goat be an udder virgin?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I thinks it time our club recognizes the fact that with huge influx of TV money, a deal worth of 25m (let alone 15m) will no longer guarantee buying a good player within PL. Even Blackburn Rovers relegated 3 years ago can afford to keep a 35k a week striker, rejecting 12m deal.

Yep. As mad as it sounds, within the next 5 years, a player like Berahino could be going for £35-40m rather than £20-25m.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Not really, his hit rate is superb.
Still, each to their own.

Someone mentioned this in this thread over the last few days but I really miss SS57's ranking of how ITKs stack up.

 

[DCSPUR]

Baseline - we finished 5th last year
GK - same as last year (top keeper in Hugo, solid back up MV)
Defensive group - as discussed, significant improvement both to starting group (Toby) and back ups - Trippier, Wimmer, Fazio, Dier, Davies are a good back up core.
Midfield - same pair as last year Nabil and Mason - added players who should contribute - Alli, Dier (internal promotion and looking good), Toby
Wide forwards/ attacking mids - big upgrade: Pritch, Son, Clinton, a rejuvenated Dembele even
Striker - lost soldado (a body) and gained Clinton and Son playing through the middle. Can't do worse than soldier.

So as a group we have cut deadwood, improved defense, wide forwards, attacking mid, defensive mid...par when it comes to strikers.

Feeling good - time for Poch to do some coaching!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

This is the bit that worries me far more than not getting a striker or DM - why the fuck were we looking to sign the likes of Berahino and McCarthy in the first place for £40+ million? Bera especially isn't the right fit for us, he won't hold the ball up, his work rate is questionable and a player more unlike Kane you'd struggle to find. We need a link man who'll work hard, hold the ball up, bring others in and hassle the back 4.
As for a DM we need someone better than what we have, a proper screening CM who uses the ball intelligently and quickly, who has some authority, who wants the ball, shows for it and leads by example.

Neither player is easy to find for different reasons but that doesn't mean we should settle at very high prices for a bad fit/mediocrity. We've had that shit already with the likes of Soldado and Paulinho etc. and I thought we were now being smarter? What's happened may turn out to be a blessing but only unless our scouts/management identify the right types of player going forward. Let's hope Berahino makes his peace...

Completely agree, how the hell do we go from Schniederlin to Wanyama ? its almost like the cm version of those evolution of man posters but in reverse. We start at an intelligent uber cm that does everything well and end up with a pure athlete with massive footballing limitations via Kramer, Rabiot, Kondogbia, Imbula, McCarthy.

I like a few of them but they are pretty big differences with some of them, hard to figure the logic of starting wanting Schniederlin and ending up with Wanyama.

 

[McFlash]

BEST POST OF THE DAY BY A MILE

I don't believe you've met tottenhamj yet?

 

[DCSPUR]

The squad has been upgraded and there is enough to rotate and still field string teams.

The Europa League is crucial for development (not only young players) but mentality also. Winning a European trophy is no joke.

just not sure about the rotation - if it were up to me I'd make sure that for every away Europa game the following were left at home:
Hugo, Jan, Toby, Rose, Mason, Son, Kane
And for every away Europa game that group would be dressed in company suits.
Once Nabil is back in form would add him and Walker to that group

 

[kd2000]

The more I think about it, especially after the post deadline day blues I'm pretty glad we didn't get Berahino.
£25 million for a back up striker is ridiculous (unless Kane gets injured long term)
He has a somewhat questionable attitude/ temperament
More expensive than everyone in the first 11 (assuming Lamela doesn't play/ and yes I know Lamela wasn't 26mil or whatever straight cash but neither would Berahino have been) to be a rotation option.
Son is a better wideman option, and dare I say Chadli is more effective as a wideman in terms of creativity and goals.

 

[U.S. Spurs Fan]

I sort of feel bad for the ITKs. They come here and share what they know or are told because they are fans too. They don't need to share this info - they are doing it because many many fans are interested to know what might be happening behind the scenes.

I do wonder if some of them ever get mad or frustrated with what they are being told. A lot of it appears to be untrue and to some people here, it makes them look bad. Again, this is not their fault in any way. Are they being fed lies? Do they ever feel that way? I think if I could ask them any question, it would be that. I'd be interested to see how many are growing just as frustrated as many fans are. I know Gards is but some don't consider him to be solid ITK anymore and someone who just shares opinions anymore.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

From the BBC

Spurs’ failure to sign another striker or an experienced midfielder signals a deplorable lack of ambition that could stifle the development of a young squad full of potential and leaves us vulnerable to competitors. The right men in these two positions could make a significant difference but chairman Daniel Levy, the so-called shrewd negotiator, catastrophically misjudged a market flush with TV cash. Teams no longer have to cave in because they just don’t need the money. Another window, yet another missed opportunity. Today’s desperate Berahino or bust shambles obscures concerns that Spurs’ overhaul of scouting and recruitment failed to find alternatives. The club site’s pathetic attempt to solve the problem by reclassifying Heung-Min Son as a striker did not play well with frustrated and furious fans. Now let’s get behind the team. COYS

Sincerely

Harry '@theboyhotspur' Hotspur

Fixed that for ya

 

[ziggy]

The only bright spot from this TW is that we might get to see some more of our academy graduates like Pritchard and Onomah and quite frankly after the 2013 "Beatles" disaster I'm more excited by that than some fancy sounding Carlos Kickaball that SC gets excited about on the back of a 3 minute YouTube highlights reel.

as opposed to getting excited by a 3 minute match highlight of pritchard playing lower level opposition in the football league show you mean....
dont get me wrong I want the youth to do well but think they've been a bit overhyped as being the ideal better replacements for the sold beatles

 

[Tyler24durden]

Levy has failed us with his miss-management. It's the same mistakes, window after window.

The only way to salvage it is to get berba back asap on a free.

And to those who say he's not a Poch type player, well, he will be if kane gets injured, Poch will be bloody grateful for a proper striker then.

 

[Good Doctor M]

Big up the guys at SC. (A&C, Stoof, Rob et al)

Cheers for another window. It wouldn't be a whole summer of waiting for the football to start, without y'all.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Baseline - we finished 5th last year
GK - same as last year (top keeper in Hugo, solid back up MV)
Defensive group - as discussed, significant improvement both to starting group (Toby) and back ups - Trippier, Wimmer, Fazio, Dier, Davies are a good back up core.
Midfield - same pair as last year Nabil and Mason - added players who should contribute - Alli, Dier (internal promotion and looking good), Toby
Wide forwards/ attacking mids - big upgrade: Pritch, Son, Clinton, a rejuvenated Dembele even
Striker - lost soldado (a body) and gained Clinton and Son playing through the middle. Can't do worse than soldier.

So as a group we have cut deadwood, improved defense, wide forwards, attacking mid, defensive mid...par when it comes to strikers.

Feeling good - time for Poch to do some coaching!

Not wanting to be all negative but as others have pointed out the problem for us is likely to come from the strengthening done by the clubs in the pack below us like Swansea. I think above us only Citeh have really strengthened. The goons are even more furious than us, Chelski are proving even more clueless with their deadline day randomers and while Manure have spent big while LvG is in charge it is pretty irrelevant what they spend as he is a psycho. Liverpool have managed to spend big and badly again and Brendan will be fired before Xmas.

Sadly we need to be concerned more by Swansea, Southampton, Stoke, Everton and perhaps even the Spammers.

 

[MyNameIsNicolaBerti]

Yeah, hiding behind the good financials, the training ground, the stadium deal, the early transfers, the selling of the deadwood at a loss.

BUT NO BACKUP STRIKER!!

I'm teasing, but you get my point right?

No, not really. I think that there is, maybe, a trend on this forum that one must be positive at all times. But I think this place is getting too reliant on that happy clapper approach. Hell, I've only been here a few years and don't post a huge amount, so maybe that affords me a bit of objectivity. I've always tried to stay within your ITK thread rules and site rules as a whole. But now that the window is closed I feel that it would be wrong not to pretend that we're not seeing tedious repetition and a repeat of lessons that should've already been learned.

I think what needs to be appreciated is that these days it's just not the reactionary melters who think they have something to complain about. That, actually, a good many fans (including myself), who have been Levy defenders for many years, are getting tired of same old, same old. I have backed Levy every single year since he came to THFC. I have been a fan for decades. I'm not reactionary. But when are we allowed to depart from the uber positive and ask questions?

New Stadium? Great! New Training ground? Great! But are these reasons, it seems, may be being used as an excuse to just coast through the next couple of seasons with a squad with major holes. I just feel like Levy is happy to take our money for the next few seasons, but just wing it until the bigger, post stadium, money option comes to fruition.

I'm probably not articulating myself well. I am tired and need my bed. Maybe I am a bit irrational tonight, but I am feeling angry. I just feel the fans are getting shafted.

Go easy on me, just super frustrated....