The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 2 July 2011

[rawhide]

Cant believe people arent discussing where the fuck all the money has gone?

CL qtrs, TWO new shirt deals and were fucking skint???? Has Levy spent the lot on private investigators and collectors editions of razzle magazine???

If this is true Im calling the police myself because there has been a fucking robbery.

Is some of this not posturing/positioning from the club looking to try to keep potential purchase prices as low as possible? Clubs are less likely to keep pushing for high sale values if we say we are skint, than if we say we are loaded.

 

[kdspur]

I'm off to bed after a horrible weekend of illness, car trouble and baby teething. Not to mention the £15 I wasted on Haye last night. Never again will Sky Box Office see my money.

Worst of all though was the complete and utter crap on here. No transfer rumours, never mind ITK. And I have sat and watched while everyone turns on each other.
We need a signing and we need one quick. Not for the clubs sake, or Spurs' seasons sake. But for us, the fans sake.

That is all.

shit weekend so mate?

 

[Hot-Spur]

Totally agree with you. Just looking at worst case scenario.

Oh forgot to mention Benjani, I'm sure he's available on a free (for good reason)!

Give me any 1 of Rossi, Adebayor, Vucinic or Llorente (& Leandro) any day. In Levy we trust.....

That scenario would have me driving for the nearest cliff mg: :lol:

I really hope we get one of Rossi, Vucinic or Llorente, we have been linked often enough with them, you would think we might be able to get at least one.

 

[luptic]

Is some of this not posturing/positioning from the club looking to try to keep potential purchase prices as low as possible? Clubs are less likely to keep pushing for high sale values if we say we are skint, than if we say we are loaded.

That's balls, if you are the selling club, you will always want the best price even if a club is 'skint'. I'm sure levy wouldn't say ok your skint well knock £3m off the price sure......

 

[rawhide]

That's balls, if you are the selling club, you will always want the best price even if a club is 'skint'. I'm sure levy wouldn't say ok your skint well knock £3m off the price sure......

Never negotiated before then? A "take it or leave it, thats all we can afford to go to" final offer has more believability from a club with little money than, say Man City. It's not rocket science, and Levy if awfully fond of brinkmanship.

 

[luptic]

I'm sure once the clubs start coming back we shall see movement.

 

[luptic]

Never negotiated before then? A "take it or leave it, thats all we can afford to go to" final offer has more believability from a club with little money than, say Man City. It's not rocket science, and Levy if awfully fond of brinkmanship.

That all and well if you're bidding for the likes of swp and santa Cruz, but the players we should be after you cant work like that, ok there might be some middle ground, but if wants these players you'll have to come up with cash the selling club wants.

 

[Spurrific]

Is dazzaherring ITK?? Because he posted on SO:

Dear oh dear some peoples views are shocking.

we have money to spend, plenty in fact.

But bottom line is that our squad is far too big. It must be cut down and harry has been told that. There's loads of deals bubbling away.

Clear some deadwood then the true squad can be analysed and we can then bring in any targets. Ages to go in the window no need to panic just yet

Would sound promising if he's sound like?

 

[StartingPrice]

Cant believe people arent discussing where the fuck all the money has gone?

CL qtrs, TWO new shirt deals and were fucking skint???? Has Levy spent the lot on private investigators and collectors editions of razzle magazine???

If this is true Im calling the police myself because there has been a fucking robbery.

:rofl:
Okay, we might be discussing it if we had some kinda proof positive that the money had gone. Seen as ATM the only evidence we have is that the transfer window hasn't just opened and yet we haven't already spent most of our budget, when we have to sell before we buy to free up squad spaces, I'll not worry just yet:wink:
Is there such a thing as Collector's Editions of Razzle - hoe do you know this?

Irvin Scholar come back mg:

all is forgiven... least he cut out the middle man (with regards to the Razzle collection :grin

:rofl:

I welcome your criticism. I sincerely appreciate the optimistic attitude that you have. I would LOVE nothing more than to tell you on August 31st, 2011 that your prognostications were brilliantly poignant, and that I was short-sighted with my negativity.

In regards to selling our deadwood: the primary issue is the smaller clubs you confidently cite as likely destinations, in most instances, are not going to meet our price quotes. I suspect Levy will eventually have to re-evaluate his pricing on a few players, but he very well may not do so until later in the window, at which time turning around and using that money for incoming transfers might prove more cumbersome.

In regards to our financial situation, what do you make of numerous reports that Spurs' transfer budget this summer is predicated on sales of our own players? Judging by your post, I'd guess that you believe, like I do, that the money is (or at least should be) absolutely there to invest heavily this summer, irrespective of us taking in millions of pounds in transfer fees. The issue(and I think this is where we may disagree) is one of conviction and calculated risk.

Spending 30 million pounds on Fernando Llorente, Falcao, or Giuseppe Rossi is a calculated risk that I don't personally forsee Levy taking at this juncture. I sincerely hope he does so (and I'm sure you'll tell me he has the gumption to make it happen, given our purported bids in January in excess of 30 million pounds), and I'm proven completely wrong when our world-class, pile-driving, goal-scoring striker arrives in the coming weeks.

As for Rafael Van der Vaart's transfer: Would you not concede his coming to us was a bit of an anomaly, and not the norm in world football? Can you cite for me recent instances, besides his, where world-class players moved to significantly smaller clubs for cut-rate prices on the final day of the window?

What surplus striker do you forsee being a candidate to move to us on August 31 for around 10 million pounds? Will City sell Adebayor to us? Will Chelsea sell Drogba to us? Will Roma sell Vucinic? Will Champions League bound Villareal and Porto sell us their star players without replacing them? If there are other potential strikers I don't know about who are likely last minute targets this summer in the class of Van der Vaart, please alert me to them.

Nevertheless, my entire argument is premised on the fact that this is the most important transfers window in decades for the club. This is the first time in many years where we have multiple world class players in their prime, on one time, and can honestly say that we are 2 bold signings away from competing for the league title. Not making our team stronger and missing out on top 4 will make keeping our current world class players much more difficult.

You seem to believe Levy will make the signings to consolidate and advance our current standing. I'm skeptical that he will. That's the divide. I hope I am completely wrong. I really, really, really hope you're right..

:up: And I will absolutely eat humble pie if this TW is an unmitigated disaster - I don't claim to be an infallible observer of all things THFC:wink:

The smallER clubs who are likely destinations for our dead wood won't meet our asking prices they will negotiate, that's the name of the game. Obviously, if Bolton, for instance, can get Keane for 50 pence and a packet of marshmallows they'll bluddy well do it, just the same as Levy will sell for Ronaldo-esque (not the Tranny-Shagging oneEek), he'll do that. The poiont, as I did say originally, is that Levy is very good at negotiating, but I also conceded that he might have to accept losses on a few. So, aside from taking a determinedly pessiistic view of this, I really don't see what your further point is.

In regard to our financial situation, what I make of numerous reports that our transfer budget is predicated on selling first, largely, is that it has been misreported. Redknapp said we had to sell before we could buy, and before you could say "journos misinterpreting something really straightforward for a sensationalist headline" they journos had misinterpreting something really straightforward for a sensationalist headline. No, he didn't mean "we have to sell Bale and Modric" as some journos wanted to interpret it. No, he didn't mean we are absolutely naffing skint, as others chose to read it. He meant, quite obviously, that squad sizes being limited to 25 players, and us having 34 (or was it 35) on the books, it would be foolish to buy anymore players until we had sold. Clear enough, really. Otherwise, as I said above, it is well known in the footballing World that we are one of only a handful of top clubs in excellent financial health with which to meet the new UEFA regulations.

This is where I personally disagree with a lot of posters: I don't really give a gnats chuff how much we spend on strikers as long as some come in and are damned effective. Spending a lot would have the obvious effect of immediately appeasing Modric, somewhat. But I am sure that if the striker who comes in fires us into the top 4 (or maybe even mg: the EPL title mg and a trophy or two, with obviously more to come, I am sure Modric would be appeased later rather than sooner. I would much rather they brought the right striker rather than the most renowned or the most expensive. But £5 million or £35 million, I am pretty sure that this obsession that Levy won't spend the money (as well as flying in the face of the evidence and logic) is just undue pessimism - especially as seen as the window has just opened.

I'm afraid you have missed the point entirely about VDV. Look, I wasn't saying this will happen again (thinning slightly on top I might be, Paul Daniels I am not). The point was to highlight an error in your argument as you were stating that this absolutely would not and could not happen, whereas I provided you with the fact that it had happened in the last Summer TW. I would prefer our Glorious Leader to be active sooner rather than later, but that doesn't mean every day he isn't is further proof of absolute disaster, does it.

Sorry, but you can't premiss a whole pessimistic argument on the fact that this is the most important transfer window in decades. I believe it is the most important TW in decades, too, and yet reach a wholly different set of conclusions. You actually premiss your argument on the assumption that things will not go well. All fo your arguments flow from that, not that this is the most important TW in decades:wink:

I sincerely hope I am right, too...so we agree on something.

 

[gibbospurs]

Is dazzaherring ITK?? Because he posted on SO:

Would sound promising if he's sound like?

He is pretty good! Sounds promising. kind of! What happens if nobody wants our deadwood? thought sunderland may take a few but they are busy elsewhere.

 

[HailKingLevy]

Is it safe to come back in ? Has the modric crap stopped yet ?

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

a few players must go before we bring any in.

reminds me of last summer

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Going back to those cryptics a couple of days back, there were two unknowns and the mods said we hadn't named them. At the time, I couldn't really think of any that we hadn't named, but here's a few now anyway...

Lucas Barrios
Gabriel Milito
Giampaolo Pazzini
Alberto Gilardino
Antonio Cassano ( I see that that dreadful source FootyLatest is linking him with us tonight)
Oscar Cardozo

http://www.footylatest.com/tottenham-poised-to-launch-sensational-for-italian-hit-man/23071?

Obviously all of the above have varying degrees of being likely (e.g Pazzini just signed for Inter), as well as varying degrees of desirability, but I thought I'd just toss them out there. Bored. Thinking aloud.

 

[rebrab]

Barrios we asked about in January

 

[steve]

Yes he is i believe and half decent. Can someone post in the RO thread please?

Is dazzaherring ITK?? Because he posted on SO:

Would sound promising if he's sound like?

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Barrios we asked about in January

Yep, don't think he has been mentioned since though, has he ?

 

[rawhide]

That all and well if you're bidding for the likes of swp and santa Cruz, but the players we should be after you cant work like that, ok there might be some middle ground, but if wants these players you'll have to come up with cash the selling club wants.

While I agree, we don't seem to operate like that ATM.

We can only hope...

 

[C0YS]

Going back to those cryptics a couple of days back, there were two unknowns and the mods said we hadn't named them. At the time, I couldn't really think of any that we hadn't named, but here's a few now anyway...

Lucas Barrios
Gabriel Milito
Giampaolo Pazzini
Alberto Gilardino
Antonio Cassano ( I see that that dreadful source FootyLatest is linking him with us tonight)
Oscar Cardozo

http://www.footylatest.com/tottenham-poised-to-launch-sensational-for-italian-hit-man/23071?

Obviously all of the above have varying degrees of being likely (e.g Pazzini just signed for Inter), as well as varying degrees of desirability, but I thought I'd just toss them out there. Bored. Thinking aloud.

Cassano is probably my fav. player outside spurs, a brilliant player, Italy's best by a mile. Would link up so well with Modric. Having said that we really don't need him, and I don't see why Milan would sell him he has done well for them so far..

Pazzini is pie in the sky has you have alluded to.
Gilardino is inconsistent, and offers little, can miss the odd sitter as well.I would take him, but not with great joy.
Milito is exactly the kind of player we need.
Barrios will probably stay at dortmund I would think. If they keep their squad together they could really be a force. Would love him, he is a player who could turn out to be world class.
Cardozo is largly overrated but I think he could do a job. Everything he does seem to indicate he is a poor footballer. Yet he has a brilliant strike record and is adored by his fans.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Cassano is probably my fav. player outside spurs, a brilliant player, Italy's best by a mile. Would link up so well with Modric. Having said that we really don't need him, and I don't see why Milan would sell him he has done well for them so far..

Pazzini is pie in the sky has you have alluded to.
Gilardino is inconsistent, and offers little, can miss the odd sitter as well.I would take him, but not with great joy.
Milito is exactly the kind of player we need.
Barrios will probably stay at dortmund I would think. If they keep their squad together they could really be a force. Would love him, he is a player who could turn out to be world class.
Cardozo is largly overrated but I think he could do a job. Everything he does seem to indicate he is a poor footballer. Yet he has a brilliant strike record and is adored by his fans.

Dude, those evaluations are pretty much spot on to what mine would be.

Cassano is a fruitcake, but I couldn't resist having his skills at our club.
Pazzini would be great I think, but is not possible.

All the rest of it as well is, yeah, bang on the money for me.

 

[chrissivad]

Can someone post in the RO thread please?

anyone can post it into the RO forum.
If you post it in there it will sit there untill a mod/RR comes along and approves it. Then it will be viewable.

And about us not having any money, i still think its we dont have any money for wages. Im sure there are a few players we are looking to get rid of that are towards the top of our earners.

Sell to cut down to the 25 man squad/free up spaces in the squad as well as freeing up fund.