The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 20th August 2014

[Mattspurs1982]

Call me negative / realistic but I really can't see us buying two £17m players in the last 2 weeks. I think we might get one (MS according to Trix ITK). Trying to stay grounded and not reach for the blades when we don't spunk £34m on deadline day!

 

[jimbo]

Brilliant manager who made great decisions in the transfer market, turned some players with potential into worldies, playing through a system and philosophy the boardroom and players bought and the fans were happy to believe in - all built off of a stability that had been present in the club for well over a decade.

*goes and has a shower*

They got lucky to an extent with the opportunity being there for them, but they always seem to have had more than their fair share of luck.

Though once Chelsea appeared on the scene with false revenue they were pushed down the pecking order even with the extra stadium revenue. Man City have pushed them further still. The concern for us has to be that we might end up needing the revenue from the new stadium simply to maintain our place in the top six, being late to the party once again.

So Dl is talking bollox when he says the Stadium will have no bearing on player purchases now or in the future as it will be seperate, read the Stadium thread last I heard it was to be funded by different sponsors.

Anyways this is not irk, I'll continue the discussion on the Stadium thread if ya want

I think Levy's position in saying the new stadium won't effect transfers is more to placate any concerns that we won't be able to buy anyone while we build it, not that it won't increase our ability to attract top players in the long run. There'd be literally no point in going to all this trouble if he thought the stadium was never going to have any effect on our ability to compete financially.

 

[dagraham]

I don't think there is any. Even if it was just £13m guaranteed who knows what the clauses where: £2mill for 20 league apps, £2m for European football? Nobody knows.

No but I think if you look you won't find anything from the club stating we paid £26 million for him either. Our interest was reported, then it was reported that Valencia were demanding Soldado's buy out (which was 30 mill euros so approx £26 mill) then it was announced we'd signed him.
The assumption was that we had agreed the buy out, but no fee or break down of the agreement was published. The club simply announced the signing, no fee mentioned, all the papers reported a price as "believed to be"
As I have said now on a number of occasions if you look at City buying Negredo for £16 mill plus £4 mill add ons Negredo having a very similar La Liga goal record and roughly 9 months younger people will have to make their own minds up about what Levy paid up front and what amount was add ons. The whole deal was because Valencia needed the cash but their chairman wanted to save face with the fans by implying he got the buy out rather than he agreed a deal that had lots of extremely tough add ons to bring the potential up to the buy out

Ah, so as I suspected nobody actually knows. I get the impression those insisting we only spent £13m on him just don't want the thought that we done our money on him to enter their heads. Much easier to imagine that we "Levy'd them" by only paying £13m plus some frankly implausible clauses that are unlikely to ever happen.

 

[harry's chin]

peers in

still see's that the community fucktards are still well off topic

think's what A&C must be doing to himself

goes off and finds naked videos of Natalie Dormer

 

[Carp]

Call me negative / realistic but I really can't see us buying two £17m players in the last 2 weeks. I think we might get one (MS according to Trix ITK). Trying to stay grounded and not reach for the blades when we don't spunk £34m on deadline day!

Call me optimist, but I can see it happening. I believe Levy is ready to spend £35m to get Poch the targets he wants. The problem is we'll have to sell 4 players to free both wages and squad places. For me the ideal scenario is sell Dawson and Kaboul - sign MM. Sell Sandro and Paulinho (or Holtby) - sign MS.

The problem is we haven't heard of any team wanting Kaboul, so we may have to sell Vlad instead. Wasn't he linked to teams in Italy? So, Dawson to QPR (Crystal Palace or Hull) and Vlad to Italy. And we're half way there

 

[Barry Mead]

Ah, so as I suspected nobody actually knows. I get the impression those insisting we only spent £13m on him just don't want the thought that we done our money on him to enter their heads. Much easier to imagine that we "Levy'd them" by only paying £13m plus some frankly implausible clauses that are unlikely to ever happen.

No I think that was brought about from some itk at the time and the article in the Independent that suggests we paid an initial £13 mill

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-for-loic-remy-and-jay-rodriguez-9453440.html

 

[Insomnia]

can someone direct me to today's ITK thread please??

 

[ever]

can someone direct me to today's ITK thread please??

Page 1, though its very short, blink and its gone

 

[Indisguise]

Levy rocks... blah blah
F***ing Levy... blah blah
Levy rocks... blah blah blah
F***ing Levy... blah blah blah

Ad infinitum...

Blah blah blah.

 

[Greenspur]

The stadium bit is absolute bollox, sick of reading this as a excuse, we have signed top players without a shiny new stadium, and we have signed players early in the window on previous occasions.

Arsenal we're still at Highbury when they made fantastic signings and early, if anything they took a step back when they built a new stadium...Liverpool haven't got a shiny new stadium and yet they signed early previously with quality even before there new owners, and this window of the back of Suarez, we did the same with bale, but we just used a scatter gun approach without targetting a direct replacement, or signing players to cover rb and LB and modric, vdv.

The stadium has fuck all to do with it, it's the approach to buying the players that's the problem.

I too have failed to grasp how the new stadium can make such a huge difference. To keep the maths easy, if the stadium has 20,000 extra seats (reasonable approximation) and season tickets are £1,000 (again reasonable), that makes 20 million more per year. Allowing for extra corporate boxes, merchandising, etc, at 10-20 million, that makes 40 million extra.
Barely enough for 2 good or 1 superb player.

 

[Stoof]

I too have failed to grasp how the new stadium can make such a huge difference. To keep the maths easy, if the stadium has 20,000 extra seats (reasonable approximation) and season tickets are £1,000 (again reasonable), that makes 20 million more per year. Allowing for extra corporate boxes, merchandising, etc, at 10-20 million, that makes 40 million extra.
Barely enough for 2 good or 1 superb player.

It's outrageous isn't it. I'd definitely rather not have £40 million extra.

But back to the ITK please ...

 

[mike_l]

No I think that was brought about from some itk at the time and the article in the Independent that suggests we paid an initial £13 mill

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-for-loic-remy-and-jay-rodriguez-9453440.html

The remainder could just be scheduled installments, rather than performance related as many prefer to assume though.

 

[class of 62]

I too have failed to grasp how the new stadium can make such a huge difference. To keep the maths easy, if the stadium has 20,000 extra seats (reasonable approximation) and season tickets are £1,000 (again reasonable), that makes 20 million more per year. Allowing for extra corporate boxes, merchandising, etc, at 10-20 million, that makes 40 million extra.
Barely enough for 2 good or 1 superb player.

London monarchs nfl franchise will make a fortune though!!

 

[gerishep]

Call me negative / realistic but I really can't see us buying two £17m players in the last 2 weeks. I think we might get one (MS according to Trix ITK). Trying to stay grounded and not reach for the blades when we don't spunk £34m on deadline day!

Don't think we will get either, we've left it too late, we will just be shifting players on.

 

[Barry Mead]

The remainder could just be scheduled installments, rather than performance related as many prefer to assume though.

Unlikely generally transfer fees are paid in equal instalments over the agreed period rather than 50 pc up front and it would put the overall bill totally out of line with the most similar transfer that window which was Negredo

All that said best to debate the matter outside of the ITK discussion

 

[absolute bobbins]

I think DL will take £30m'ish for JV...........I might also.

In the window where David Luis went for €55,000,000, Man United have been telling everyone that they've got money to burn and they've got a chump for an executive Chairman?

That makes up for a No ITK day

 

[Stoof]

Spot on. I think Spurs fans need to be a bit more savvy about holding the club to account, not just taking the excuses as written and accepting them.

I suppose that says more about your general attitude towards those that command a position of authority than it does of the supposed naivety of football fans. If you choose to believe that the people in charge don't know what they're doing - despite probably knowing a great deal more than the average football fan - then that's on you.

I think Levy would have been caught out by now if he didn't really know what he was doing - if you consider where the club were, and where we are now, he must deserve credit. There's no other way about it. The focus on the minutia is all well and good, but only if it's subject to looking at the Levy effect as a whole.

To be honest, I'm more concerned at the majority of our fans' inability to look at that bigger picture at all.

 

[sloth]

Yep!. Sadly we are all circling around the ITK like moths round a flame, its inevitable that some will get a little bit too close and sadly their delicate wings cannot withstand the temperatures and set on fire....Don't fear though they float down to earth and repair their sanity on a cocktail of crystal meth and toilet duck

Mmmmmm, the old Quack Crack, I didn't think anyone else on here would know about that!

 

[absolute bobbins]

The stadium bit is absolute bollox, sick of reading this as a excuse, we have signed top players without a shiny new stadium, and we have signed players early in the window on previous occasions.

Arsenal we're still at Highbury when they made fantastic signings and early, if anything they took a step back when they built a new stadium...Liverpool haven't got a shiny new stadium and yet they signed early previously with quality even before there new owners, and this window of the back of Suarez, we did the same with bale, but we just used a scatter gun approach without targetting a direct replacement, or signing players to cover rb and LB and modric, vdv.

The stadium has fuck all to do with it, it's the approach to buying the players that's the problem.

You're totally right, we should spend money we don't have on transfers and wages for players who can't guarantee success and probably wouldn't want to come here anyway.

We can put it on the Amex Centurion and then when we default on the payments we can give them the Shirt Sponsorship and naming rights to keep the wolves from the door...You're a genius

 

[p_ashman]

Liverpool are much richer than ourselves and had the Suarez money burning a hole in their pocket and did just what we did last year - pay a premium for the players they wanted. There was no point in them haggling - Southampton knew they were quids in and couldn't play the "we can't afford that price" card. Everton bought Lukaku. A player they had on loan. I'm sure things were pretty straight forward there. More than likely things were well underway before the window even opened.

You're being needlessly pedantic.

Yes Liverpool had 65m for Suarez but have already spent over 100m so you cannot compare net spend to us. There also have no players of any value to get some money back. The reality is our chairman will ALWAYS balance the net spend every single transfer window. What we need to do for once is tell those players that are in poch's plans there will not play. If they want to leave that's great. We then go and buy 2-3 first teamers and take the hit for 1 window. This will allow us to compete with the top 4 plus man u.