The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 20th July

[felmani26]

Whilst Butland admittedly looked very impressive tonight, I'd want to see a lot more of this kid to form an opinion of whether to splurge £10million plus on him.

Also, mentally he hasn't been tested at all as a keeper and this is a fundamental attribute in whether a goalkeeper will sink or swim at a club like ours with high aspirations and little room for error.

 

[SpurSince57]

Any recent ITK on our Butland bid?

 

[kdspur]

This is why we have a team of paid scouts to assess talent. Butland impressed me just now, but I would never say that he's class until I'd watched him over a series of games.

Fortunately we have Ian Broomfield and pals regularly watching these players before splurging 8 million pounds upwards on them.

while we scout them big clubs sign them.. where do i start that list..snooze we lose. all other top clubs ahve young keepers in their ranks bar us so we should have huge huge advantage on that alone.

 

[felmani26]

Any recent ITK on our Butland bid?

Last I heard it was a case of '£7million bid lodged' which I'm assuming was either a load of balony or that it was rejected.

Expect plenty of speculation over Butland and Brazil's youth in the coming days.

 

[marvel]

The Bham gk coach who worked with Hart, Butland and Foster (held in very high regard by Hart) believes Butland has potential to be the best of the 3. Living in Chelt I saw a fair bit of him and he was very, very good (albeit at a league 2 level!). Shame they will demand a big transfer fee but I'd love us to sign him.

 

[Montasura]

we should be buying butland same time as lloris imvho. he is going to be quality. very assertive, strong . in fact i wud have no worries on him replacing friedel let alone lloris if not more.. he def has something about him.

No we shouldn't. They are both very good keepers, but too close in age to be in the same team. I would imagine Butland would be happy to be number 2 for a couple of years, but if he continues to improve what then when you are faced with two very good keepers, both still young potentially with their prime still to come, and both wanting to be first choice. It needs to be one or the other IMO.

Also in my opinion, we shouldn't be buying any keepers until we have sorted the front line and Modric replacement as they, surely, are significantly higher up the priority list.

 

[GeorgeTink]

bentley has always been fucking shite in my eyes.. a big time charlie and like i said a million times before someone should hhave got 100 lashes for bringing him to spurs and 16 million.. jesus H christ! someone def having a laugh there and people wonder why people laugh at spurs sometimes!!!

would not suprise me if united come in for this lad butland. its obvious he is going to be a real good keeper.

After breaking the world record fee for a goalkeeper on De Gea the season before? Don't think so.

 

[Hakkz]

After breaking the world record fee for a goalkeeper on De Gea the season before? Don't think so.

Chelsea might be interested though. Cech replacement in case Courtois doesn't satisfy them.

 

[kdspur]

No we shouldn't. They are both very good keepers, but too close in age to be in the same team. I would imagine Butland would be happy to be number 2 for a couple of years, but if he continues to improve what then when you are faced with two very good keepers, both still young potentially with their prime still to come, and both wanting to be first choice. It needs to be one or the other IMO.

Also in my opinion, we shouldn't be buying any keepers until we have sorted the front line and Modric replacement as they, surely, are significantly higher up the priority list.

how many foreign top keepers from spain, italy or france have stayed in the premiership a real long time.. i can only think of reina and barthez for few years . there is huge sense for me in signing both and even loaning the lad back to brummie or even in premiership to gain experience.

imvho if we sign lloris i wud be amazed if he was still with spurs in 5 years time. thats the predictment you re in with keepers. united have problems the whole time with them from buying older keepers to then buying young and then buying a couple to keepers at same time. its tricky but buying butland should be top of list for us.

 

[kdspur]

After breaking the world record fee for a goalkeeper on De Gea the season before? Don't think so.

wouldnt suprise me but i actually forgot they bought a young danish goalie at same time, forget his name but big rep as well.

 

[felmani26]

The Bham gk coach who worked with Hart, Butland and Foster (held in very high regard by Hart) believes Butland has potential to be the best of the 3. Living in Chelt I saw a fair bit of him and he was very, very good (albeit at a league 2 level!). Shame they will demand a big transfer fee but I'd love us to sign him.

I think everyone is wanting him to be the next Joe Hart but the pressure on Butland if he does make a big money move will be huge.

It may well be worth the risk though as you could potentially have a top class keeper for the next 15 years but I will caveat this by saying you won't see the best from this lad until well into his 20's - the development between where he is now and in four/five years time is absolutely crucial as to whether he will succeed at the highest level or not.

 

[GeorgeTink]

Could see spending £8-10 million on Butland being a good investment if we added performance based installments into his agreement. So for example if he went on to become England No. 1 then the risk would of payed off and we'd of given the full fee whereas if he didn't do as well then we could be spending a much lower fee. Although whether Birmingham would be too happy with this is another thing....

 

[kdspur]

No we shouldn't. They are both very good keepers, but too close in age to be in the same team. I would imagine Butland would be happy to be number 2 for a couple of years, but if he continues to improve what then when you are faced with two very good keepers, both still young potentially with their prime still to come, and both wanting to be first choice. It needs to be one or the other IMO.

Also in my opinion, we shouldn't be buying any keepers until we have sorted the front line and Modric replacement as they, surely, are significantly higher up the priority list.

yeah lets bring back the 4-3's i miss those matches!!! all area's take equal importance to me. if you have a brilliant defence you will go far . there is no guarentee with strikers. look at united past few years, grinding out wins thanks to keeper and center halves. thats how u win matches and trophies.

 

[Mattbob]

I think a decent no1 is right up there on the priorities! Has to be .

 

[SpurSince57]

Last I heard it was a case of '£7million bid lodged' which I'm assuming was either a load of balony or that it was rejected.

Expect plenty of speculation over Butland and Brazil's youth in the coming days.

That was the last I heard, too. Two weeks ago.

 

[Montasura]

how many foreign top keepers from spain, italy or france have stayed in the premiership a real long time.. i can only think of reina and barthez for few years . there is huge sense for me in signing both and even loaning the lad back to brummie or even in premiership to gain experience.

imvho if we sign lloris i wud be amazed if he was still with spurs in 5 years time. thats the predictment you re in with keepers. united have problems the whole time with them from buying older keepers to then buying young and then buying a couple to keepers at same time. its tricky but buying butland should be top of list for us.

Oh right, so it is safe to assume that Lloris would only stay a short while because of the history of goalkeepers specifically coming from only Spain, Italy, and France, but excluding all other foreign keepers (of which there have been quite a few to last a long time!)...sorry but that is a bit too far fetched on the conditional terms for me to be bothered contemplating. What if Spurs progress massively and are competing for the League and in the CL within 2-3 years, would he still leave for pastures new then? What about Schmeichel, another foreign keeper but admittedly not from Spain Italy or France? Did he remain longer because he wasn't from those three countries, or because he was playing for one of the most dominant teams in football at the time??

To consider spending somewhere in the region of £25m on two goalkeepers (especially when we have 1 established striker) is, to be blunt, ridiculous!

 

[Mattbob]

Didn't Southampton bid for him??

 

[kdspur]

Oh right, so it is safe to assume that Lloris would only stay a short while because of the history of goalkeepers specifically coming from only Spain, Italy, and France, but excluding all other foreign keepers (of which there have been quite a few to last a long time!)...sorry but that is a bit too far fetched on the conditional terms for me to be bothered contemplating. What if Spurs progress massively and are competing for the League and in the CL within 2-3 years, would he still leave for pastures new then? What about Schmeichel, another foreign keeper but admittedly not from Spain Italy or France? Did he remain longer because he wasn't from those three countries, or because he was playing for one of the most dominant teams in football at the time??

To consider spending somewhere in the region of £25m on two goalkeepers (especially when we have 1 established striker) is, to be blunt, ridiculous!

history has proven italian players in the main stay and play in their own league and the same with spanish players bar a very select few. its only my opinion but apart from reina who has been here what 5 or 6 years what other keeper has played in england from spain , italy or france for many years. we have not even signed lloris or any keeper yet but it and he would have to be something exceptional for us to keep him for 5 or 6 years and thats been generous. we have gomez and he is gone in what 3 years. how long did united get rid of barthez and he was without doubt one of the biggest keepers in world at time?

im not talking about scandanivian keepers or american ones because english soccer is pretty big business and news in those countries more so than other leagues and thats always been case. its always risky business buying foreigners and only select few stay for long time at one particular club no matter what position they play.

 

[HappySpur]

Spanish players will be forced to ply their trade outside of Spain though, because their league is broke. Even Madrid and Barca are financially strapped. Not saying that we will get a bunch of players for cheap, but just that you can expect to see them coming to England and Germany at a much higher rate in the near future.

 

[Montasura]

yeah lets bring back the 4-3's i miss those matches!!! all area's take equal importance to me. if you have a brilliant defence you will go far . there is no guarentee with strikers. look at united past few years, grinding out wins thanks to keeper and center halves. thats how u win matches and trophies.

Is this for real??? This the same team that scored 89 goals last season, with Rooney getting 27 of them???? And you have the nerve to rate my post as dumb???

Oh dear God, I really should have known better than to form my own opinion and try to discuss it with you. After all I've sat here and seen the "discussions" you get into with many other members. I should have just expected the dumb rating you gave me without actually bothering to try to explain.