The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 20th June 2012

[Spursidol]

In response to JJ's 'Manager is more complicated' comment.
Is it possible that AVB has a clause in his Chelsea contract payoff preventing him from taking over us or anyone prior to a certain date? If he had, that would certainly be 'complicated' and could prevent an appointment before a particular time.

I know f-all about such contracts but just wondered, cos if Abramavich has paid AVB £13m or whatever to get rid, he probably wants AVB to F-the F-off for a while. Maybe if we want AVB we're talking compensation?

Just a thought!

Depends on the contract detailing the settlement - but AVB signed a 3 year contract with Chelsea wgich ended in March and presumeably received a payoff based upon the time left on the contract. The settlement contract may well have said the settlement would reduce if he got a job before the end of the 3 years or an earlier date. Could have neen 6 months or a year - doubt for much longer as courts would say its a restraint of trade etc (but I am not a lawyer)

 

[Mr Pink]

If we are waiting to talk to Blanc properly, perhaps its conceivable that AVB has go the slight hump with that....probably not though.

I'm tired of it already

 

[Berglad]

In response to JJ's 'Manager is more complicated' comment.

Is it possible that AVB has a clause in his Chelsea contract payoff preventing him from taking over us or anyone prior to a certain date? If he had, that would certainly be 'complicated' and could prevent an appointment before a particular time.

I know f-all about such contracts but just wondered, cos if Abramavich has paid AVB £13m or whatever to get rid, he probably wants AVB to F-the F-off for a while. Maybe if we want AVB we're talking compensation?

Just a thought!

I think Chelsea were paying him his Chelsea wages until he took a new job so maybe he would want to delay the appointment until the start of pre-season or whatever to keep his presumably higher wages. I thought I read something a monthish ago where they settled his compensation though. He's been publicly touted for the Liverpool and Spurs jobs so I don't think there's any clause limiting what jobs he takes.

If everything we read is true, including tonight's Guardian article (which would be worrying) it does seem that we have AVB lined up but want to keep him on ice for a bit while we talk to some other options (and some, like Blanc, can't be talked to yet). Now if that's the case, AVB is getting antsy and could walk if we make him wait on a final decision. We do have prior on this with the Pletikosa incident, where Begovic ran into Pletikosa while getting their medicals and walked, even though Pletikosa was just the backup if the Begovic deal fell through.

 

[King of the Lane]

How good is Moutinho?

 

[Sum Monsterism]

right well, I'm off to bed. found this very interesting, and want AVB regardless of my bet. Think he'd suit us down to the ground.

Hopefully the delay is as jair1970 suggested he thought it could be; a clause from Chav payoff. fingers crossed.

http://www.eplindex.com/15759/andre..._campaign=andre-villas-boas-tottenham-hotspur

 

[SpurSince57]

In response to JJ's 'Manager is more complicated' comment.

Is it possible that AVB has a clause in his Chelsea contract payoff preventing him from taking over us or anyone prior to a certain date? If he had, that would certainly be 'complicated' and could prevent an appointment before a particular time.

I know f-all about such contracts but just wondered, cos if Abramavich has paid AVB £13m or whatever to get rid, he probably wants AVB to F-the F-off for a while. Maybe if we want AVB we're talking compensation?

Just a thought!

As I understand it—and my understanding is limited, and I am therefore entirely open to correction—this is against EU employment law. It would not, however, be illegal for Chelsea to dock AVB's compensation if he were to take a job with another EPL club. It was suggested thast Levy did this with Jol.

 

[Gedson100]

I thought I read something a monthish ago where they settled his compensation though. He's been publicly touted for the Liverpool and Spurs jobs so I don't think there's any clause limiting what jobs he takes.

Think you're right re: compensation. He might not be limited as to what job he can take, but there could be issues around how much it'll cost whomever wants to employ him and surely he'll want top whack. This is Levy we're talking about doing the negotiations, he'll not pay a penny more than he has too, will he?

 

[Berglad]

As I understand it—and my understanding is limited, and I am therefore entirely open to correction—this is against EU employment law. It would not, however, be illegal for Chelsea to dock AVB's compensation if he were to take a job with another EPL club. It was suggested thast Levy did this with Jol.

think that's what happened with Mourinho, he accepted a higher compensation package in exchange for agreeing to not go to a premiership club for a year (which helped prevent him from taking over when he fired Jol, though supposedly discussions had taken place).

 

[Gedson100]

As I understand it—and my understanding is limited, and I am therefore entirely open to correction—this is against EU employment law. It would not, however, be illegal for Chelsea to dock AVB's compensation if he were to take a job with another EPL club. It was suggested thast Levy did this with Jol.

AVB's compensation is likely to be a daft amount too, and i'll bet he'd ask for that over again as a signing on fee.
And that could be an issue.

EDIT: Just read an analysis that suggested his actual payoff from Chelsea would be around £10.5m
If he's forfeiting any of that...

 

[erhieyid]

Ohh, JJ is in Fiji I thought it was AVB.

(Is JJ Dave Lister?)

Not Dave Lister, but we are a step closer to his true identity, his wife/girlfriend/partner is called Fiji !!!

 

[Spursidol]

As I understand it—and my understanding is limited, and I am therefore entirely open to correction—this is against EU employment law. It would not, however, be illegal for Chelsea to dock AVB's compensation if he were to take a job with another EPL club. It was suggested thast Levy did this with Jol.

Think that it would be reasonable for Chelsea to have a clause in the payofff contract that AVB could not take another EPL job for say 6 months (they having paid out 2 and a bit years of salary) - the say 6 months being a maximum which does not trigger 'restraint of trade'; type legislation. But its not my field - although I have come across it

 

[Spursidol]

Think that it would be reasonable for Chelsea to have a clause in the payofff contract that AVB could not take another EPL job for say 6 months (they having paid out 2 and a bit years of salary) - the say 6 months being a maximum which does not trigger 'restraint of trade'; type legislation. But its not my field - although I have come across it

Of course technically the problem is AVB's - Chelsea would sue him for return of cash. Its not directly a Spurs issue - although if AVB may be asking in his employment contract to be indemnified against any claim from Chelsea.... which would make it a big potential problem for Spurs !

 

[Gedson100]

He was sacked 4th March, 6 months on is 4th September. Not unreasonable to think he might be bound by contract terms. Then you get stuff like this (OK from wiki but...):
In June 2012 reports emerged he was in talks with Brazilian side São Paulo FC over a possible take-over later this year

Which might tally with some kind of bind.

I'll shut up now...

 

[Antilokhos]

Chelsea signed players without a manager

Chelsea aren't a proper football club, they are a Russian criminal's toy.

 

[bookhouseboy]

I'd rather have Moutinho with £20m left over though!

Moutinho + Remy (for example) > Modric + Defoe

Modric > Moutinho + Remy (for example) > Modric + Defoe

 

[beats1]

Chelsea signed players without a manager

But everyone knows chelsea are a joke when it comes to managers, treatment and who runs the club

 

[beats1]

Modric > Moutinho + Remy (for example) > Modric + Defoe

So what you are saying is that Jermaine has a negative effect. Interesting .

 

[Rethink]

I wonder, given that AVB likes patient possession football centered around a creative midfielder, whether he is in a situation where he wont take the job unless Levy commits to not selling Luka? I can imagine he may feel that if we were to immediately sell our best player even though he has 4 years on his contract, it would suggest it may happen year upon year (bending over to bigger clubs ). Certainly, if was one of the worlds most up and coming managerial talents, i would be concerned taking a job where the best players are being unnecessarily sold ... Levy on the other hand is probably thinking that Luka's value will probably not be any higher than it is right now, especially after the shop window that is the Euros (and how well he performed)...and as such probably actually wants to sell him right now ...

 

[Spursidol]

Google Translation :

"Vertonghen to London for completion '
June 21, 2012 0:58

According to The Daily Mirror, one of Britain's tabloids, Jan Vertonghen will be Thursday in London at Tottenham Hotspur sign up for one last conversation with the club. The newspaper also reports that the medical examination may already going to take place.
The media also reported that the Spurs chairman Daniel Levy almost certainly has settled a deal with Ajax. The Spurs were taking off 9 million transfer to Ajax. This amount would then be able to walk through premiums to approximately 12 million.

Tuesday Vertonghen was still in Barcelona for a holiday. It remains to be seen whether the British tabloid newspaper will have it right.
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...a=X&ei=bW_iT5rQApDp8QOWg5nVDg&ved=0CF0Q7gEwAA

 

[Twizzle]

No doubt Dan the man has alot of irons in the first with regards to transfers and probabaly some that we dont know about

I also think he is doing his best to get the manager's roll sorted asap, as I have complete faith in him.

If we are looking at the long term we need to make the right decision and not just jump in to get it sorted so we can get on with transfers, it really is a frustrating situation. I can also understand why transfers are slow as whilst we may have bids pending, the players want to know who will be managing them.

Regardless of what happens, I'll be here to support Spurs in round one.

In Levy we trust.