The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 21 June 2011

[Mr Pink]

Long and Winding Road= Beatles= Lennon
Yellow Brick Road = Elton john

Yellow Submarine= Beatles
Guess that's Why They Call it the Blues= Elton.

The answer is there somwhere?

John Lennon airport - Lennon going to Liverpool mg:

 

[Mr Pink]

Adebayor a target for Zenit SP apparently

send them Pav, we'll take Adebayor :razz:

 

[kdspur]

is wilson off then. rumours he is close to napoli or inter milan? gone abit quiet that one. its shocking if he goes before jenas, really is. just goes to show we cud have real problems getting rid of some dead wood. and speaking of dead wood has their been any talk at all of bentley? not even whisper about this guy in months

 

[Darrkespur]

Adebayor a target for Zenit SP apparently

Probably the only club that could afford to keep his wages the same!

 

[stemark44]

I was talking to an old friend of mine who is a massive arsenal fan and season ticket holder.

He was laughing at the prospect of us signing Adeboyor suggesting that he is off side more than anyone ever and has no skill only power and pace.

Don't get my wrong, me personally I am a big fan of him and think he would provide us a great deal but it was interesting to hear a differing view from fan who at one time would have watched him week in week out.

I agree with him,I think Adebayor is useless and the worst signing we could possibly make this summer.
Please don't buy him,Levy.

 

[Berglad]

Brett - present?

Brit?

 

[StartingPrice]

The 4-3-3 formation is only narrow if you don't have incredible options coming from fullback, which we do. The wide forwards in a 4-3-3 should be looking to attack the edge of the box, rather than hugging the touchline, creating space outside for a pacey fullback to run into, and several targets in and around the box to attack crosses from said fullback, rather than just Crouchy on his tod. It's a formation that allows you to put immense pressure on teams that sit back. If you have three intelligent and classy players holding onto the ball in front of their back 4, continually moving and looking to pick holes, always with that option of the overlapping fullback on either side, you basically have the best of both. I don't really buy all this crap about playing with two flying wingers being amazing football. The best passing/possession teams play 4-3-3 or a variation of, and have done for some time.

In my eyes you want your technical/creative players in that front three, preferably playing off someone who can hold up the ball a bit. Players who can receive the ball in uncomfortable situations, buy themselves a bit of space, and make something happen. From what i've seen so far this isn't Bales main strength. I'm not saying he couldn't do a job on the right of a front three, he's certainly a great finisher, but for me he should be tear-arsing it down that left touchline from deep.

---Rossi-Adebayor-VdV---
--Modric-Sandro-Parker--
Bale-King-Dawson-Walker

Something like this would be the absolute sex. The defensive solidarity you lose from having attacking fullbacks you make up for by having a pretty solid midfield three, and the fact you can outnumber the opposition in the middle of the park, and keep hold of the ball in their half better with the likes of Modric, VdV, Rossi blah blah. Ah, I don't know why i'm bothering with all this, i'm pretty sure we'll be playing 4-4-2 with Bale left wing and Rafa off a centre forward next season. Still fine with me as long as the centre forward is incredible.

Well, only if you take narrow as referring only to the offensive third...but...obviously if Bale and Walker are up the pitch being offensive we are narrow if any rapid counter-attacks break down ouw flanks.

In essence - I'm not convinced and, as I said, when we arre aiming at adjusting to VDV in a 4-5-1 (which suits him perfectly) why start fiddling about with things.

You also realise you'll upset some folk playing Bale as a FB (not me just saying).

Adebayor a target for Zenit SP apparently

Nithin' to do wit me

 

[stemark44]

The 4-3-3 formation is only narrow if you don't have incredible options coming from fullback, which we do. The wide forwards in a 4-3-3 should be looking to attack the edge of the box, rather than hugging the touchline, creating space outside for a pacey fullback to run into, and several targets in and around the box to attack crosses from said fullback, rather than just Crouchy on his tod. It's a formation that allows you to put immense pressure on teams that sit back. If you have three intelligent and classy players holding onto the ball in front of their back 4, continually moving and looking to pick holes, always with that option of the overlapping fullback on either side, you basically have the best of both. I don't really buy all this crap about playing with two flying wingers being amazing football. The best passing/possession teams play 4-3-3 or a variation of, and have done for some time.

In my eyes you want your technical/creative players in that front three, preferably playing off someone who can hold up the ball a bit. Players who can receive the ball in uncomfortable situations, buy themselves a bit of space, and make something happen. From what i've seen so far this isn't Bales main strength. I'm not saying he couldn't do a job on the right of a front three, he's certainly a great finisher, but for me he should be tear-arsing it down that left touchline from deep.

---Rossi-Adebayor-VdV---
--Modric-Sandro-Parker--
Bale-King-Dawson-Walker

Something like this would be the absolute sex. The defensive solidarity you lose from having attacking fullbacks you make up for by having a pretty solid midfield three, and the fact you can outnumber the opposition in the middle of the park, and keep hold of the ball in their half better with the likes of Modric, VdV, Rossi blah blah. Ah, I don't know why i'm bothering with all this, i'm pretty sure we'll be playing 4-4-2 with Bale left wing and Rafa off a centre forward next season. Still fine with me as long as the centre forward is incredible.

I started highlighting the bits that I agreed with but found myself highlighting 98% of it.
Not a fan of Adebayor and I would prefer someone else.Like Rossi a lot but maybe not my ideal candidate for us but agree with everything else.
For a large portion of games next season I want to see Bale at left-back with Walker on the right and Sandro as a DM.
Repped.

 

[Byron]

you going to get bollocked for talking tactics on here! but for the record to play 1 up front its got to be big, strong and quick! (Drogba at his best!) then you can bring the midfield up and support! I'm not saying i want drogba but theres not many n the world who can do 1 up front properly

 

[stemark44]

For us to play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 on a regular basis next season would be absolutely insane,if Redknapp starts that shit he deserve's to be sacked and I hope he's jailed!

 

[ealingspur]

For us to play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 on a regular basis next season would be absolutely insane,if Redknapp starts that shit he deserve's to be sacked and I hope he's jailed!

bit harsh. you want him to be jailed for playing tactics you dont agree with?

 

[spud]

.......but for the record to play 1 up front its got to be big, strong and quick!.....

Not necessarily. Clive Allen didn't do too badly and I don't think he ticked any of those boxes.

 

[stemark44]

bit harsh. you want him to be jailed for playing tactics you dont agree with?

People have gone to Prison for less.:grin:

 

[mike_l]

Why's that exactly? Henderson is an unproven talent with about 18-24 month's first team experience. Hudd has been around, achieved success, proven himself to be a quality player and captained a team in the CL.

You do realise that what you wrote concurs with what he said don't you? In excess of means more than, so he's saying that Hudd is worth more than Henderson because of the reasons you noted.

 

[ostrov]

Probably the only club that could afford to keep his wages the same!

Probably the only club that don't sign black players.
They say: "There is no black in Zenit colours."

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

For us to play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 on a regular basis next season would be absolutely insane,if Redknapp starts that shit he deserve's to be sacked and I hope he's jailed!

You say 442 is insanity and yet you want to start Bale at left back. He may well become a decent left back, but right now he is a great left winger. We have some of the best wide options in the league and with most clubs having poor fullbacks we can still expose them with 442. 442 relies on a good strike partnership and the lack of even a striker last season didn't help us, but there is no reason for 442 to not work in modern football.

The only reason why teams don't do it now is because they don't have the players for it and 433 is the 'in thing' but once everyone starts doing it then it comes down to player v. player and it is unlikely that we will ever overhaul the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd and Man City who are spending vast amounts of money on players.

At some point 433 is going to become dated and someone will come up with a different system and then all the sheep will follow suit. What is so wrong with just doing something different, something nobody else has the capability of doing? Wouldn't it be fun if we were the only ones playing 442 and we were giving opposition fullbacks a torrid time and consistently getting balls in to forwards? How are opposition going to deal with playing a team that plays 442 when they face 433 against every other team?

In any case Sandro and Modric can probably outplay most 3 man midfields so why not just take advantage of that and have an extra forward player?

 

[DoublePivot]

Probably the only club that don't sign black players.
They say: "There is no black in Zenit colours."

You do see the irony in your playing of the race card and our singing of a certain song to the very same black player you want. Prolly Not

 

[ostrov]

You do see the irony in your playing of the race card and our singing of a certain song to the very same black player you want. Prolly Not

I only tried to explain that any link to black players on the part of Zenit is fat speculation. No change of policy so far.
Not that I support such standing.

 

[leffe186]

Not sure if I buy Jacob's ITK, but the one thing that chimes with me is the dead wood. Now, I'm not saying that, say, Jenas is dead wood, but there are tons of wages tied up in players like him and Keane (obviously). I'd be happier to hear that we'd shifted a couple of them than, say, confirmed the Leandro signing.