The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 22nd May

[WalkerboyUK]

Yeah, De Heavy is the only player we'd pay £70 million for.

I didn't want De Light anyway, I wanted Dat Light or Dis Light...

 

[SpartanSpur]

So seems the £150m floated around was more of an overdraft for incomings than a net spend, which I'm absolutely fine with, and can see why Poch would want that. The sooner we act the better, we can't spend more energy on selling before buying like we seem to have done in the past.

My take on the De Ligt situation. We need to be prepared to pay big for our top targets and have faith in the scouting. Sanchez was definitely on the high side but I think most would agree it looks well worth it. You have to factor in these guys won't be wanting insane wages either. This is what the big clubs do, they lock in their top targets. City get a lot of stick for their spending but if you look they do actually sign highly rated young players for big cash (Sterling, Sane, KDB, Jesus) and are reaping the rewards, that's all we are trying to do this window with the likes of Sessegnon and De Ligt.

My guess is Herc is talking about the prime targets for this window with that gross amount, CB (De ligt), CM & WF/ST (Martial/Bale), the ones that make a real dent in the first team. Possibly a cheaper CM in addition to this based on outgoings.

All positive to me, this should be the way forward for us IMHO. (Along with the retention of Kane, Eriksen, etc...)

 

[Hans Gruber]

Would you not think the club has intelligence to realise that spending a vast amount on one player may reduce funds for other signings?

The club absolutely does, hence the point of having a budget in the 1st place. It's some of the fanbase that don't, like the person I was initially replying to.

That said, just because the club understands transfer budgeting doesn't mean I'm not able to critique its decisions. If they end up chucking 70m on De Ligt then I'm not just gonna suck it up because I trust the club, I'm gonna think it's dumb as fuck unless it turns out we've upped our budget to Utd/City levels.

Don't forget, our big-money signings in the Levy era include Sissoko, Soldado, Lamela, Paulinho, David Bentley, Darren Bent, Sergei Rebrov. It's not like the board has exactly had a stellar record when it comes to large outlays in the transfer market

 

[Univarn]

On the one hand I had hoped this summer was going to be a tad bit smoother than previous ones with funds available presales. On the other hand I do love a good SC meltdown/breakdown combo and we seem extra primed and ready for them this year. Thanks for the clarification Herc and Trix, going to be a hold onto your butts kind of summer.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

As far as I'm concerned, I just want us to sign players that are equal to (hopefully better) than those we are preparing to sell.
Fees, big names etc. I don't really care. I just want us to be competitive and get the players Poch wants as his first or second choice, rather than third or fourth choice.

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

Only SC could take all the positive ITK and turn it into a meltdown, things will be fine. We'll probably challenge for the league next year & so will Yanited and Shitty

 

[Trix]

Reality check.....

It's clear some people are not quite grasping the fact that despite what we have achieved in the last 3-4 seasons we are still someway down the pecking order in comparison to some of the other big clubs throughout Europe, both financially and in stature. We have managed to claw our way up to being ultra competitive by following a strict and proven game plan as far as transfers are concerned, and that is not going to change much in the near future. Perhaps when the stadium is up and running and has consistently generated the income it has been built to provide things may change somewhat but until then don't expect a dramatic change in the way we do business.

We are looking for a better quality/pedigree of player this Summer than in previous windows but the World Cup is not helping on that front. Some agents(and this is fact) are telling their players unless they are being courted by Europe's elite to hold fire on signing for anyone. There is no rush for them to sign for anyone other than the uber clubs and from a financial POV a good WC will increase the demand and in turn the financials they can ask for from a new club. The only way around this is to pay OTT in the first place, and we don't have a bottomless pit of cash to pull from. Every player we over pay for has a knock on effect to everything we are trying to do, be it other signings or contracts for existing players.

This is not all doom and gloom, it's just the reality of where we are as a club. Everything I'm hearing points to us being a fair bit stronger come the end of the window than we are now, but it's not going to happen in the first couple of weeks of the window, and it's not going to be by us out bidding the Elite sides in Europe for the same player.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Reality check.....

It's clear some people are not quite grasping the fact that despite what we have achieved in the last 3-4 seasons we are still someway down the pecking order in comparison to some of the other big clubs throughout Europe, both financially and in stature. We have managed to claw our way up to being ultra competitive by following a strict and proven game plan as far as transfers are concerned, and that is not going to change much in the near future. Perhaps when the stadium is up and running and has consistently generated the income it has been built to provide things may change somewhat but until then don't expect a dramatic change in the way we do business.

We are looking for a better quality/pedigree of player this Summer than in previous windows but the World Cup is not helping on that front. Some agents(and this is fact) are telling their players unless they are being courted by Europe's elite to hold fire on signing for anyone. Their is no rush for them and from a financial POV a good WC will increase the demand and in turn the financials they can ask for from a new club. The only way around this is to pay OTT in the first place, and we don't have a bottomless pit of cash to pull from. Every player we over pay for has a knock on effect to everything we are trying to do, be it other signings or contracts for existing players.

This is not all doom and gloom, it's just the reality of where we are as a club. Everything I'm hearing points to us being a fair bit stronger come the end of the window than we are now, but it's not going to happen in the first couple of weeks of the window, and it's not going to be by us out bidding the Elite sides in Europe for the same player.

Thanks Trix, makes sense. What is interesting here is that a lot of our targets per ITK aren't going to the World Cup, so it's possible there are a few key targets still under wraps...

 

[mark87]

Cheers trix

 

[Trix]

Thanks Trix, makes sense. What is interesting here is that a lot of our targets per ITK aren't going to the World Cup, so it's possible there are a few key targets still under wraps...

Yeah possible mate.

 

[sausage]

No way that we're gonna pay 70 milions for a youngsters. Ludacris media claims

The rapper turned actor? Why's he mixing in with transfer rumours

 

[BringBack_leGin]

What?*

*runs out of thread screaming like Chris Rock in The Fifth Element

It was Chris Tucker...

 

[Darrkespur]

Reality check.....

It's clear some people are not quite grasping the fact that despite what we have achieved in the last 3-4 seasons we are still someway down the pecking order in comparison to some of the other big clubs throughout Europe, both financially and in stature. We have managed to claw our way up to being ultra competitive by following a strict and proven game plan as far as transfers are concerned, and that is not going to change much in the near future. Perhaps when the stadium is up and running and has consistently generated the income it has been built to provide things may change somewhat but until then don't expect a dramatic change in the way we do business.

We are looking for a better quality/pedigree of player this Summer than in previous windows but the World Cup is not helping on that front. Some agents(and this is fact) are telling their players unless they are being courted by Europe's elite to hold fire on signing for anyone. There is no rush for them to sign for anyone other than the uber clubs and from a financial POV a good WC will increase the demand and in turn the financials they can ask for from a new club. The only way around this is to pay OTT in the first place, and we don't have a bottomless pit of cash to pull from. Every player we over pay for has a knock on effect to everything we are trying to do, be it other signings or contracts for existing players.

This is not all doom and gloom, it's just the reality of where we are as a club. Everything I'm hearing points to us being a fair bit stronger come the end of the window than we are now, but it's not going to happen in the first couple of weeks of the window, and it's not going to be by us out bidding the Elite sides in Europe for the same player.

Thanks for this Trix. We are always more prone to late-window purchases anyway and world cup years are always slow so it isn't surprising it'll take a while. I'm intrigued by what the early-closing of the British window compared to the rest of Europe will do to our chances. I genuinely don't know if it gives us an advantage to have to be done by the 9th August or if it means English clubs will miss out on players as a result.

 

[wirE]

The rapper turned actor? Why's he mixing in with transfer rumours

"You can catch me in Rome, mac'in some broads and stickin' 'em, while you'll be at home pickin' yo boogars flickin 'em"

 

[quackers]

Thanks Trix, makes sense. What is interesting here is that a lot of our targets per ITK aren't going to the World Cup, so it's possible there are a few key targets still under wraps...

Agree with this, info suggests de light, martial, bale all of which are not going to the WC are possibles

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

The Math doesn't work if one player costs 70m,whilte the other costs 50m leaving small amount for a cm.

Priorities I suppose..

One would think the priority would be to heed the managers words and "get brave" and "Take chances". We can bitch and moan all we want about Poch's in game management, but not listening to him & not backing him could lead to losing him altogether. That would be the biggest bollock Levy could possibly drop, in my opinion.

With the greatest of respect to Hercules, hopefully this latest bit of info is slightly skewed & the reports of positive talks between Levy & Poch are more precise, and that new contract is close to being signed. No way Poch sign anything if his end of season words aren't heeded.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Reality check.....

It's clear some people are not quite grasping the fact that despite what we have achieved in the last 3-4 seasons we are still someway down the pecking order in comparison to some of the other big clubs throughout Europe, both financially and in stature. We have managed to claw our way up to being ultra competitive by following a strict and proven game plan as far as transfers are concerned, and that is not going to change much in the near future. Perhaps when the stadium is up and running and has consistently generated the income it has been built to provide things may change somewhat but until then don't expect a dramatic change in the way we do business.

We are looking for a better quality/pedigree of player this Summer than in previous windows but the World Cup is not helping on that front. Some agents(and this is fact) are telling their players unless they are being courted by Europe's elite to hold fire on signing for anyone. There is no rush for them to sign for anyone other than the uber clubs and from a financial POV a good WC will increase the demand and in turn the financials they can ask for from a new club. The only way around this is to pay OTT in the first place, and we don't have a bottomless pit of cash to pull from. Every player we over pay for has a knock on effect to everything we are trying to do, be it other signings or contracts for existing players.

This is not all doom and gloom, it's just the reality of where we are as a club. Everything I'm hearing points to us being a fair bit stronger come the end of the window than we are now, but it's not going to happen in the first couple of weeks of the window, and it's not going to be by us out bidding the Elite sides in Europe for the same player.

Thanks Trix - despite wanting to get caught up in the positive hype, I sort of realised that this would probably be the continued approach.

 

[sausage]

"You can catch me in Rome, mac'in some broads and stickin' 'em, while you'll be at home pickin' yo boogars flickin 'em"

And there's me underarming the chance to use "Move, Bitch". You disappoint me, sir

Anyway, always worth remembering that quoted fees are normally inclusive of all sorts of add-ons, so £70m might well be the "worst case scenario total", and the general fee being much lower. Not that it's for us mere fans to worry about, that's for the pen pushers

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

What?*

*runs out of thread screaming like Chris Rock in The Fifth Element

Tucker, Chris fucking Tucker. OK?

 

[wirE]

And there's me underarming the chance to use "Move, Bitch". You disappoint me, sir

Anyway, always worth remembering that quoted fees are normally inclusive of all sorts of add-ons, so £70m might well be the "worst case scenario total", and the general fee being much lower. Not that it's for us mere fans to worry about, that's for the pen pushers

I agree with you but I feel there's a major hype going on about a player who is 18 yrs old and that clubs are spalshing out 70 milions in fees + addons. But anything is possible. Martial went to United for 80 plus something, no?