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Roscilous

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I agree with you but I feel there's a major hype going on about a player who is 18 yrs old and that clubs are spalshing out 70 milions in fees + addons. But anything is possible. Martial went to United for 80 plus something, no?

On 1 September 2015, Martial completed a move to Manchester United for £36 million, potentially rising to £58 million, on a four-year contract with the option of another year.
 

Hercules

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Can I give clarity on one of my statements please. Ajax want circa 70m for Lgit, and his agents and club have a belief they could get that, or near. Bigger clubs than us, and the financial muscle clubs like Citeh are interested. I stated about a month ago, if clubs like Citeh come in for him we have no chance. And I stand by that. Lgit has a preference for us, and that is the point I was trying to get across. And I said if a deal could be done at that price (within our wage structure-revised) we would look to do a deal (all deals are instalments based etc).

Now if that eats into half Poch’s budget for example, it is on his head. This is one of the things he means about being brave. Do I believe we would spend 70m on Lgit? No! Do I believe we would ‘consider’ such a deal for a 22 year old Messi-esq? I believe we would, as long as all the criteria’s are right. Do I believe that is going to happen? No

Do I believe we will meet gross spend of c. 170m? Yes!

Do I believe we will have to balance out by sales to keep nett spend to c.50m? Yes!
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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I agree with you but I feel there's a major hype going on about a player who is 18 yrs old and that clubs are spalshing out 70 milions in fees + addons. But anything is possible. Martial went to United for 80 plus something, no?


Surely, as with most things in life, supply & demand will ultimately dictate the price of any purchase or sale?

Many of us have wide eyes after reading that £70mil figure for an 18 year old lad, but if the clamour for his signature is as widespread as the press are reporting, that figure will probably end up not being far off what is finally agreed.
 
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I agree with you but I feel there's a major hype going on about a player who is 18 yrs old and that clubs are spalshing out 70 milions in fees + addons. But anything is possible. Martial went to United for 80 plus something, no?

I think the docs were leaked and were pretty complex, starting around £30m but had/have loads of £10m add ons for apps/goals/cl stuff.

What will affect him (Martial, as still ITK linked also) moving (potentially to us) and the fee is the fee itself - I think Monaco get more money based on how much he's sold for. He probably stands Utd at £60-70m but it could go up to £100m if he gets sold. It's probably out there on Google, and one of the things that would likely make any deal a PITA, unless we do a Vorm-style px
 

Hercules

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World Cup, plus instant inflation has seen quoted prices for players in April, now increase by a good 20%. A lot of selling clubs are employing super agents, who have their mandates to act for selling club. Quite a few potential star players are switching to these agents, or considering to do so. Trying to keep it real, and at the same time enlighten many.
 

Spurs 1961

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Can I give clarity on one of my statements please. Ajax want circa 70m for Lgit, and his agents and club have a belief they could get that, or near. Bigger clubs than us, and the financial muscle clubs like Citeh are interested. I stated about a month ago, if clubs like Citeh come in for him we have no chance. And I stand by that. Lgit has a preference for us, and that is the point I was trying to get across. And I said if a deal could be done at that price (within our wage structure-revised) we would look to do a deal (all deals are instalments based etc).

Now if that eats into half Poch’s budget for example, it is on his head. This is one of the things he means about being brave. Do I believe we would spend 70m on Lgit? No! Do I believe we would ‘consider’ such a deal for a 22 year old Messi-esq? I believe we would, as long as all the criteria’s are right. Do I believe that is going to happen? No

Do I believe we will meet gross spend of c. 170m? Yes!

Do I believe we will have to balance out by sales to keep nett spend to c.50m? Yes!

Thanks Hercs. This re-affirms that we are trying to go for quality rather then just filling squad places. The aim of only buying players who can improve us has to be correct but obviously not easy since they are relevant rare commodities
 

Spurs' Pipe Dreams

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Reality check.....

It's clear some people are not quite grasping the fact that despite what we have achieved in the last 3-4 seasons we are still someway down the pecking order in comparison to some of the other big clubs throughout Europe, both financially and in stature. We have managed to claw our way up to being ultra competitive by following a strict and proven game plan as far as transfers are concerned, and that is not going to change much in the near future. Perhaps when the stadium is up and running and has consistently generated the income it has been built to provide things may change somewhat but until then don't expect a dramatic change in the way we do business.

We are looking for a better quality/pedigree of player this Summer than in previous windows but the World Cup is not helping on that front. Some agents(and this is fact) are telling their players unless they are being courted by Europe's elite to hold fire on signing for anyone. There is no rush for them to sign for anyone other than the uber clubs and from a financial POV a good WC will increase the demand and in turn the financials they can ask for from a new club. The only way around this is to pay OTT in the first place, and we don't have a bottomless pit of cash to pull from. Every player we over pay for has a knock on effect to everything we are trying to do, be it other signings or contracts for existing players.

This is not all doom and gloom, it's just the reality of where we are as a club. Everything I'm hearing points to us being a fair bit stronger come the end of the window than we are now, but it's not going to happen in the first couple of weeks of the window, and it's not going to be by us out bidding the Elite sides in Europe for the same player.

Martial, de Ligt and Sessegnon have no WC so I guess we try for those early and hope not be outbid. Not a question, just a thought
 

Lilbaz

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Can I give clarity on one of my statements please. Ajax want circa 70m for Lgit, and his agents and club have a belief they could get that, or near. Bigger clubs than us, and the financial muscle clubs like Citeh are interested. I stated about a month ago, if clubs like Citeh come in for him we have no chance. And I stand by that. Lgit has a preference for us, and that is the point I was trying to get across. And I said if a deal could be done at that price (within our wage structure-revised) we would look to do a deal (all deals are instalments based etc).

Now if that eats into half Poch’s budget for example, it is on his head. This is one of the things he means about being brave. Do I believe we would spend 70m on Lgit? No! Do I believe we would ‘consider’ such a deal for a 22 year old Messi-esq? I believe we would, as long as all the criteria’s are right. Do I believe that is going to happen? No

Do I believe we will meet gross spend of c. 170m? Yes!

Do I believe we will have to balance out by sales to keep nett spend to c.50m? Yes!

You should know this place by now people love a drama. You could aay it is sunny outside and some people would lose their shit thinking it's the first sign of the apocalypse. We all apreciate the info. Good bad or ugly.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Just something to keep in mind when you think of player prices this summer: Our league revenue was £55.9M in 12/13; this past year our league revenue was £144.4M
 

SpartanSpur

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So basically the good news is we are in for some serious talent, and don't want to go down the speculative route again. Focus is on ins rather than outs, but we will still try and balance the books somewhat.

The bad news is it's gonna be bloody difficult to wrap some of the deals up.
 

Lilbaz

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So basically the good news is we are in for some serious talent, and don't want to go down the speculative route again. Focus is on ins rather than outs, but we will still try and balance the books somewhat.

The bad news is it's gonna be bloody difficult to wrap some of the deals up.

If you are going for elite players you will be in competition with elite clubs.

Think we will face some disappointment this window but will get in some players. Think everyone will need to be patient and wait till the window closes before deciding whether it was good or bad.
 

dirtyh

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If you are going for elite players you will be in competition with elite clubs.

Think we will face some disappointment this window but will get in some players. Think everyone will need to be patient and wait till the window closes before deciding whether it was good or bad.

this is the key point for me. As you say we're never going to get our first picks for every position we want to fill and it'll be interesting to see what we do now if and when we don't. Will there be 2nd/3rd choices or do we stick steadfastly to the quality over quantity model that we now seem to be following (and rightly so).

Obviously we need squad depth but as we've seen in the past, there's little value having players on decent wages who are squad fillers and nothing more. Personally i'd rather a smaller higher quality squad (obv running the risk of injuries meaning we could be short) than a deep squad but with more than enough 'fillers'.
 

raymundo-iow

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Shake a leg of lamb at the bastard and he might come around.

What's worrying me with this is that we seem willing to get rid of a lot of players. Too much squad turnover is never good.


Tell that to man city who cut a lot of players from there squad and 1st team and replaced with quality. If the spine of the team is good and strong it is fine.
 

Hercules

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Just now sharing my own views. I rate Lgit very highly, but not at 60m. 50m yes. I think Foyth’s value would of been similar had he been at Ajax. I think he is going to be a very special talent.

Our ceiling per player should be 50m, and think with all the names I am hearing we are interested in, that is possible. A risky gem at the age off 22 is not the risks we took before, as this particular one out of two players has proven on a bigger stage (hint).

We have to be smart, and take calculated risks on the right profile players. If Fulham are not promoted, I believe our first signing is possibly to be Sess. What I don’t want us to do is ‘F’ off Poch, going into August, with a few days (less than I think from memory 9 days). From what I know, the manager does not want to be bedding in say 3-4 players in August. My opinion is 2 at best, he doesn’t mind.

The above is my educated opinion, and why we have to watch how this pans out.
 

jimburns1973

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Just now sharing my own views. I rate Lgit very highly, but not at 60m. 50m yes. I think Foyth’s value would of been similar had he been at Ajax. I think he is going to be a very special talent.

Our ceiling per player should be 50m, and think with all the names I am hearing we are interested in, that is possible. A risky gem at the age off 22 is not the risks we took before, as this particular one out of two players has proven on a bigger stage (hint).

We have to be smart, and take calculated risks on the right profile players. If Fulham are not promoted, I believe our first signing is possibly to be Sess. What I don’t want us to do is ‘F’ off Poch, going into August, with a few days (less than I think from memory 9 days). From what I know, the manager does not want to be bedding in say 3-4 players in August. My opinion is 2 at best, he doesn’t mind.

The above is my educated opinion, and why we have to watch how this pans out.

16 pages of arguments on net/gross spend and you drop a 'hint'. See you in another 16 pages when the guesswork is dying down :LOL:
 
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