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Stamford

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Have we made zero progress or are we (as fans) simply not aware of the progress that has been made?

We're about to find out but not improving the first eleven would be unacceptable in my opinion. We need to push on and win something and are missing some quality
 

Lilbaz

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If we can't find squad space for a home-grown youngster who is rated the best player by our coaches at every age group, particularly in a position where we badly need non-destroyer options, then I question the point of the Academy.

Not questioning the ITK, for avoidance of doubt.

It's called player trading. Example we sold townsend which helped fund the arrival of son. Players from our academy don't have to get into our first team to be useful.
 

andyp8080

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Look out for media outlets later on today, could overlap to tomorrow

Also, going against the grain here but don’t think Onomah is going anywhere despite not being on tour.

is this related to the Poch v Toby article i wonder
 

James 23

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It isn't about the wage bill.
Ali Z quote = The issue is we have 6/7 players we want out who are clogging up wages and a spot in the squad.
This was the ITK I was referring to when referring the wage bill, but if its not about the wage bill I would love to know !
 

James 23

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We have one of the best squads, are one of the best run clubs financially, have one of the best up and coming managers globally as well as the Worlds deadliest striker in our ranks and some people still aren't happy. I understand being disheartened about a lack of signings but really if we can't find players that are financially within our means that are better than the current crop are what do you expect the football club to do? We've been punching above our weight for a few years now and with the extentsions signed and lined up we've secured our ability to do so over the next few years, by then of which we'll be completely integrated into our new stadium and be a completely different animal.

This group are helping us claw back who Tottenham are, even if we don't sign a worldie we are in a shape that I've never see Tottenham be and it's a long way off the days when I first saw them with Andy Turner in their team playing Oldham at home.

People need to chill. Don't lose sight of how well our football team has done and the huge steps taken over a relatively short amount of time without an oil tycoon or blood money being invested. We've shown teams all across the land that you can achieve if you just use a bit of tact instead of throw all on the roll of a dice.

I want players but Christ you'd think we finished 8th place last year and that all of our players were shit and about 32.

One or two for growth and options, all will be good
 

Lilbaz

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Ali Z quote = The issue is we have 6/7 players we want out who are clogging up wages and a spot in the squad.
This was the ITK I was referring to when referring the wage bill, but if its not about the wage bill I would love to know !

Maybe try reading ali z quote again might help? Especially the last bit.

Wages are not that much of a problem as we have demenstrated by giving lots of players and the manager big pay rises. Problem we do have is about 30 players over 21 years old.
 
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Metalhead

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We have one of the best squads, are one of the best run clubs financially, have one of the best up and coming managers globally as well as the Worlds deadliest striker in our ranks and some people still aren't happy. I understand being disheartened about a lack of signings but really if we can't find players that are financially within our means that are better than the current crop are what do you expect the football club to do? We've been punching above our weight for a few years now and with the extentsions signed and lined up we've secured our ability to do so over the next few years, by then of which we'll be completely integrated into our new stadium and be a completely different animal.

This group are helping us claw back who Tottenham are, even if we don't sign a worldie we are in a shape that I've never see Tottenham be and it's a long way off the days when I first saw them with Andy Turner in their team playing Oldham at home.

People need to chill. Don't lose sight of how well our football team has done and the huge steps taken over a relatively short amount of time without an oil tycoon or blood money being invested. We've shown teams all across the land that you can achieve if you just use a bit of tact instead of throw all on the roll of a dice.

I want players but Christ you'd think we finished 8th place last year and that all of our players were shit and about 32.

One or two for growth and options, all will be good
Great post. The only thing I would say is that there was a concern over perhaps the last third of the season in terms of performances and a lack of guile when we were finding it difficult to break teams down. I don't know whether new signings are the answer but if it was down to a lack of options to change games then we might end up having the same issue again.
 

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First we were told there would be "value" after World Cup. Now WC is over we are told we have to manage our squad numbers. What's the excuse next? Too late to get the deals in? All getting too familiar isn't it
 

Clamour_Kid

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First we were told there would be "value" after World Cup. Now WC is over we are told we have to manage our squad numbers. What's the excuse next? Too late to get the deals in? All getting too familiar isn't it
Circumstances change, be patient. For me, THIS is the key window, new stadium, big brand and excellent performances on the pitch. After this window, if we've not improved, I'm changing my viewpoint on Levy.
 

Majick

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I suspect that there will be value - I mean, we're looking at carting out more than a quarter of the squad (although how many starts?) for tuppence ha'penny, for a start.
 

James 23

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We have one of the best squads, are one of the best run clubs financially, have one of the best up and coming managers globally as well as the Worlds deadliest striker in our ranks and some people still aren't happy. I understand being disheartened about a lack of signings but really if we can't find players that are financially within our means that are better than the current crop are what do you expect the football club to do? We've been punching above our weight for a few years now and with the extentsions signed and lined up we've secured our ability to do so over the next few years, by then of which we'll be completely integrated into our new stadium and be a completely different animal.

This group are helping us claw back who Tottenham are, even if we don't sign a worldie we are in a shape that I've never see Tottenham be and it's a long way off the days when I first saw them with Andy Turner in their team playing Oldham at home.

People need to chill. Don't lose sight of how well our football team has done and the huge steps taken over a relatively short amount of time without an oil tycoon or blood money being invested. We've shown teams all across the land that you can achieve if you just use a bit of tact instead of throw all on the roll of a dice.

I want players but Christ you'd think we finished 8th place last year and that all of our players were shit and about 32.

One or two for growth and options, all will be good
You make some very valid points that I agree with, however the premier league is very unforgiving, and despite our good work it is clear that we have been punching above our weight for the last 3 years, and if we want to continue challenging for the title and securing champions league then at some point we are going to have to adapt to a more braver stance in the transfer market, if not it is inevitable that we will fall away while are rivals move ahead. This is the best squad I have ever known at Spurs with a top notch manager, and I want us to be ambitious so we can fulfil our potential.
 

Clamour_Kid

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You make some very valid points that I agree with, however the premier league is very unforgiving, and despite our good work it is clear that we have been punching above our weight for the last 3 years, and if we want to continue challenging for the title and securing champions league then at some point we are going to have to adapt to a more braver stance in the transfer market, if not it is inevitable that we will fall away while are rivals move ahead. This is the best squad I have ever known at Spurs with a top notch manager, and I want us to be ambitious so we can fulfil our potential.

I slightly disagree here. I don't think we have been punching above our weight. I also think we've been mightily unlucky every season especially when it comes to injuries. We've lost key players (Kane, Toby, Jan) at key times. Yes a larger amount of quality in the squad would have helped, but couldn't have happened back then with a low revenue.

This is the season to do that though. New stadium, larger wage structure. The attraction for players is there. I hope we can do the business.
 

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Losing toby, getting maguire, losing dembele, getting lewis cook.

Overall as a squad we are regressing.

Grealish will not be that talent. I dont mind youngsters but we should be looking at jadon sancho level, not grealish kind.

Very worrying because if i was poch i wont be happy
 

ToDarrenIsToDo

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You make some very valid points that I agree with, however the premier league is very unforgiving, and despite our good work it is clear that we have been punching above our weight for the last 3 years, and if we want to continue challenging for the title and securing champions league then at some point we are going to have to adapt to a more braver stance in the transfer market, if not it is inevitable that we will fall away while are rivals move ahead. This is the best squad I have ever known at Spurs with a top notch manager, and I want us to be ambitious so we can fulfil our potential.

We played the whole season away from home last year yet still finished above Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. We dropped 10 points from our previous season and last at the old WHL compared yet people forget about the magnitude of home advantage and the fact we didn't have it last year in the emptiness of Wembley.

I agree with you that I do think signings should be made, but offer me any squad in the Premier League and I'd still put us in the top 3.

Who would you sign to make us better then that fits within our finances and framework? Taking into account our two highest transfer fees ever paid are Davinson Sanchez at £40m and Moussa Sissoko for £30m?

Sorry but if I had the choice between no signings or £50m blown for any future deals on someone like Richarlison, I'd rather we hold firm. The only players I'm convinced will add any value to our squad based on quotas and quality needing to be met are Grealish, Zaha and or Martial, possibly someone like Kovacic as well but I haven't enough of him to pass judgement so much can't comment too much on him but the prices have to be right and relatively decent and within our means. We aren't Real Madrid
 
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And you may be right, I was speaking hypothetically based on the Goats info.

Its not something I have heard about personally but the point stands, of those we have let go we haven't regretted any. As for buy back clauses it's not something that happens outside of Spain really, and it's certainly not something I have known to happen between domestic clubs over here.

Didn't the Australian lad we sold to Swindon have such an option? Can't his name, but he had a good bit of form in on of the Asian cups a few years back and the papers briefly went hyperbolic about him.

Could possibly say that letting Crouch go (the first time) was a mistake, but there aren't too many in recent years
 

coy-spurs1882

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Didn't the Australian lad we sold to Swindon have such an option? Can't his name, but he had a good bit of form in on of the Asian cups a few years back and the papers briefly went hyperbolic about him.

Could possibly say that letting Crouch go (the first time) was a mistake, but there aren't too many in recent years
massimo luongo
 

WalkerboyUK

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We're about to find out but not improving the first eleven would be unacceptable in my opinion. We need to push on and win something and are missing some quality

It's not just about the first IX, although few need to have competition for places.
We lack options from the bench who are capable of changing a game if we are chasing it.
The problem there though is that the level of player we need to bring in isn't likely to be happy to sit on the bench.
That would allow for rotation though!!!
 
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dk-yid

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Ali Z quote = The issue is we have 6/7 players we want out who are clogging up wages and a spot in the squad.
This was the ITK I was referring to when referring the wage bill, but if its not about the wage bill I would love to know !
This issue has been covered at boring length in previous ITK daily threads. It is not about the wage bill.
 

Lighty64

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feels like we are all getting angsty as it's a Monday and we want to see progress. Good to see the ITK is hinting that things are hotting up, be it contracts, progression, or signing.

However the inner fan is at the pointing at club to hurry up, appreciate we run a water tight ship and therefore somethings are still on the low down. Obviously these deals are not just worked on in the final few days - but hoping a lot of the big-boy shopping is now done and we can get someone great in. Herc's risk section (about taking it, and holding it by getting the incomings done before external) gives me comfort that we can get our incomings done, and then have overseas loans-to-buy post UK window closing for the deadwood.

What annoys me is the likes of Everton, Wolves etc are splashing 30-50m a time on players yet we seem to bulk at these figures.

that might be because we don't value the players in that price range good enough bar de Ligt, then Ajax go and raise the bar. Richarleson is a good player but I'd not want us to spend that much on him
 
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