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The Watcher

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Didn't Kaboul make some kind of anti-semitic comment about Levy when he was looking to leave Spurs?

Or am I dreaming that?

Either way I don't think Levy would bear a grudge if the possibility to do a deal was there.

o_O I don't think Levy would have allowed him back to Spurs if that were true!
 

Spursidol

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He crossed my mind but Levy would never have him back

Why not - doubt if Levy would have taken it personally and Spurs got a good fee for him. On Spurs side bit of a let down that no good striker was brought in to replace him, but think Levy blamed our late DoF for that.
 

karennina

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Didn't Kaboul make some kind of anti-semitic comment about Levy when he was looking to leave Spurs?

Or am I dreaming that?

Either way I don't think Levy would bear a grudge if the possibility to do a deal was there.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/kaboul_i_m_so_sorry_1_1244576

Kaboul said: 'I didn't join Sunderland because of Levy at Spurs.
'He wanted to treat us all like cows. I told him I have personality and I am not your dog. That's it.
'So I told him I will not go.
'He told me to get on a flight and go. I told him I wouldn't and would go where I want.
'Sunderland are a good team, good fans and everything.
'But I don't like it when someone imposes on me like I'm a dog.
'This is life and first I'm human. You have to respect someone first.'
 

King of Otters

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I'd just like to state for the record that Portrait of a Lady is Eliot's most outstanding poem. More mature than Prufrock and less of the needless experimentation of The Waste Land. To stay on topic this extract may or may not be a cryptic.

Now that lilacs are in bloom
She has a bowl of lilacs in her room
And twists one in her fingers while she talks.
“Ah, my friend, you do not know, you do not know
What life is, you who hold it in your hands”; 45
(Slowly twisting the lilac stalks)
“You let it flow from you, you let it flow,
And youth is cruel, and has no remorse
And smiles at situations which it cannot see.”
I smile, of course, 50
And go on drinking tea.
“Yet with these April sunsets, that somehow recall
My buried life, and Paris in the Spring,
I feel immeasurably at peace, and find the world
To be wonderful and youthful, after all.”
 

King of Otters

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http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/pompey/pompey-past/kaboul_i_m_so_sorry_1_1244576

Kaboul said: 'I didn't join Sunderland because of Levy at Spurs.
'He wanted to treat us all like cows. I told him I have personality and I am not your dog. That's it.
'So I told him I will not go.
'He told me to get on a flight and go. I told him I wouldn't and would go where I want.
'Sunderland are a good team, good fans and everything.
'But I don't like it when someone imposes on me like I'm a dog.
'This is life and first I'm human. You have to respect someone first.'

Not antisemitic but not entirely complimentary either.
 

venablesphil

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Its all getting very cultural in here tonight!

And it either means Modric is going PSG or that AVB is new manager! (y)
 

matrixity

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I'd just like to state for the record that Portrait of a Lady is Eliot's most outstanding poem. More mature than Prufrock and less of the needless experimentation of The Waste Land. To stay on topic this extract may or may not be a cryptic.

Now that lilacs are in bloom
She has a bowl of lilacs in her room
And twists one in her fingers while she talks.
“Ah, my friend, you do not know, you do not know
What life is, you who hold it in your hands”; 45
(Slowly twisting the lilac stalks)
“You let it flow from you, you let it flow,
And youth is cruel, and has no remorse
And smiles at situations which it cannot see.”
I smile, of course, 50
And go on drinking tea.
“Yet with these April sunsets, that somehow recall
My buried life, and Paris in the Spring,
I feel immeasurably at peace, and find the world
To be wonderful and youthful, after all.”

Probably not even a Cryptic, but if so there was a dutch painter (from Amsterdam=Vertonghen) who was famous for painting coastal scenes and marines in Holland and UK near the 1830's who had a painting called "A portrait of a lady". He was called Hulk.
Not kidding. I now its too far fetched but was bored at this time at night.
 

Mouse!

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T. S. Eliot is an anagram of Toilets. The poem is called The Waste Land.

Maybe everything's gone to shit? :rolleyes:
 

karennina

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Not antisemitic but not entirely complimentary either.

Yeah - it does get more plaintive and less aggressive if you read it eight or nine times.

I'd just like to state for the record that Portrait of a Lady is Eliot's most outstanding poem. More mature than Prufrock and less of the needless experimentation of The Waste Land.

'needless experimentation of The Waste Land' - now that is confidence. Critiquing the most crucial, by recourse to crude consensus if need be given it's 1:36 am, poem of the 20th century for not getting the job done tidily enough - may your intrepidity take you where you want to go.
 

King of Otters

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I adore certain passages of The Waste Land, in particular the one quoted, but I can't escape from the fact that it is needlessly obscurantist in a way in which his earlier, superior, work isn't. Ezra Pound 'edited' The Waste Land and set about emitting words, lines and passages in order to make it more 'Modern', and, as a consequence, less intelligible. Call me old fashioned, stupid even, but I don't believe that people read poetry to be confused. I feel that any attempt to superimpose a particular literary theory after the poem has been written will ultimately be detrimental to the work as a whole. The Waste Land is mainly esteemed as some kind of gold standard for poetry....by people who don't read poetry. It's not, not by a long shot, it's a fascinating poem in many respects but it doesn't come close to matching the serenity, sincerity and integrity of Eliot's earlier work.
 

beats1

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On Manager - JJ non commital on identifying the person (perhaps for obvious reasons)
I don't know, did he not say that if we get our top target everyone would be happy so it who knows, who its is?
As said before I'm not getting excited this window so I don't get let down later:unsure:
 

Ionman34

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I would class THudd as being able to play there. A ball playing DM. Alongside a brutal ball winner.

What a central midfield that would be, Sandro screaming 'PAAAAAAIIIIIIINNNN!' with Thud shouting 'HUUUUUUNNNNGGGRRYYYYYY!' would scare the snot out of just about everyone.

They won't know if they're going to be snapped in half or eaten in two bites!
 

karennina

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I adore certain passages of The Waste Land, in particular the one quoted, but I can't escape from the fact that it is needlessly obscurantist in a way in which his earlier, superior, work isn't. Ezra Pound 'edited' The Waste Land and set about emitting words, lines and passages in order to make it more 'Modern', and, as a consequence, less intelligible. Call me old fashioned, stupid even, but I don't believe that people read poetry to be confused. I feel that any attempt to superimpose a particular literary theory after the poem has been written will ultimately be detrimental to the work as a whole. The Waste Land is mainly esteemed as some kind of gold standard for poetry....by people who don't read poetry. It's not, not by a long shot, it's a fascinating poem in many respects but it doesn't come close to matching the serenity, sincerity and integrity of Eliot's earlier work.

I at least half agree with all of that, and can't argue that the last comparison you make to his earlier work isn't true in some sense. But I do see the 'Modern' character of it as actually serving a vital aesthetic and moral purpose. After a century of capitalism ripping society to atoms, among other dislocative cultural movements since the renaissance, there needed to be a testament of the aleatory alienation, for want of better phrases, which people were living through. I just don't see how clearly resolvable imagery, and the maintenance of narrative integrity, were appropriate to convey, or adequate to amplify, this particular howl as clearly and loudly as the time morally demanded it be heard.

As I understand it, what I agree could be reasonably be called obscurantism, from one perspective, or self indulgence even, is part of what allows The Waste Land to be 'big', in a way that M.I.A.'s album Kala is big. Neither work may be as clearly executed, on a micro, line by line scale, as many other contemporary things. But there's something like a reaching or bravery, in their execution, which allows them to resonate with a whole time, revealing it to us it's inhabitants, justifying apparent inconsistencies as consonant with the meta project.

None of Eliot's other work played such a vital role in society as the Waste Land because it all involved either an approach from, or a retreat to, steadier ground. Just like high level politics and highly popular pop music have to forsake the comforts of the provably real for the universality of theatre, I think Eliot was able to go out on a limb and reach, almost, the entire anglosphere, with vital stuff, which wouldn't have been possible if hed insisted on maintaining certain other standards extant in his other work.
 

Ionman34

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come on lads, Its only fair that Jay gets to share his own opinion. It might not be the same as others but i guess everyone is entitled to their own. Lets not berate him for it. Maybe we should club together and get him some anti depressants though. Dan's probably got a backlog somewhere not needed anymore that we could buy cheap.

He is fully entitled to his opinion nailsy, but if he is prepared to post it as a counter to the majority, he then has to be prepared to accept the negative response. In all fairness he hasn't moaned about any of the replies so it seems he was fully prepared.

The simple fact is that he has knee jerked wrt Bejam as A) he hasn't been confirmed yet, B) we are all guessing what position he would play IF he signs and C) Modric is still a Spurs player. Pretty much the same with AVB really as he wasn't really as unsuccessful with Cheatski as some would have us believe.

It's the negativity as a foregone conclusion that causes the adverse reaction, reasonable concern would be shared by more than a few of us I reckon.
 

HappySpur

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So I expect soon, we will start to get the chronic complainers who spam about spam. Seeing as I was bitch slapped for asking people not to talk about a game, and accepted my admonishment, I no longer care what people post here. That's the mods job and if they see fit, they will stop tangents.

So I will bet 100 pounds we can't go 24 hours without somebody spamming about spam. Last night it got pretty bad and mean-spirited. By 9:45 EST tomorrow if there is not one piece of "shut up"ery, I will promptly pay Rob. But if there is (and that angry/bitter retort you're about to post counts), I am spending it on nipple botox. Also, if you post a similar bet about no spam within the 24 hours, I won't pay. But I would accept that bet after 9:30 tomorrow if anybody will back it up with real cash. That obviously doesn't count for mods. And mods, Rob approved this.

The point of this exercise is to stop the incessant bleating about how to police this thread when the Mods do a fucking fantastic job as it is. When Ever [sic] or A&C speak, all things stop. When non mods speak, it just starts flame wars. No good for anybody here.

So remember, Rob has to move the server and that costs money. And 100 pounds goes a long way.

I'm going to bed. This bet is 14 hours in. To be honest, by the time I get into work tomorrow and have time to check this it's not worth my effort to continue the charade.

so the jig is up. This bet was paid before it was made. Feel free to check with A&C or Rob.

I contacted Rob and asked him how finances were going. I decided to give 100 based on the response, and then asked if I could run this experiment. And it worked well. Without any posts about how it was policed, the thread worked well and never needed mod interventions. People even had fun. Our only aggro was an hour when JTY was getting under people's skin. But that happens in any forum like this..

I love this site and, like you, I am welcome to help out financially as much as I can. What my 100 gets me.....probably a little leniency when I write up some batshit insane post. What my 100 will never get me....ability to dictate policy. They would never allow me that, and it's why I had to contact them to even run this.

Anyway, I'm not dick enough to take away 100 from my favorite site over some random comment. And I can't imagine that A&C/Rob would allow me to openly wager such. But the fact that they would allow this experiment says epic amounts about them. You guys are rock stars! I mean that. No other site would allow such things to go down. And you should wake up everyday, as I do, thankful for such a great site. Seriously

I paid this bet off 14 hours ago, but am happy to be able to say that I lost. And it was a good day of fun for the most part. And it was a 100 well spent. Hopefully we can continue on a fun day.

Cheers

and the next time you think to try a social experiment, check the exchange rate. Rob openly laughed at my discovery of the dollar's weakness after I gave. He should have though, because it was funny discovering that 100 was $160USD. :eek::D
 
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