The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 26th May 2012

[Harry_Snatch]

Since when did we become too good to try to pluck players from the lower leagues?

Last time I checked players like Joe Hart started with clubs like Shrewsbury. If we had a bit of foresight we could have bought one of the best goalkeepers in the world for £600k back in 2006. I bet people would have said "Joe Hart? Fuck that. He's a League Two goalkeeper! What the hell? We're Tottenham fucking Hotspur, dammit!!!"

Agree with this. but then so does the club. Bale, Lennon, Walker, Dawson they were all plucked young from lower league clubs. some of our young gk's coming through are well thought of by Parks as well.

 

[hybridsoldier]

Since when did we become too good to try to pluck players from the lower leagues?

Last time I checked players like Joe Hart started with clubs like Shrewsbury. If we had a bit of foresight we could have bought one of the best goalkeepers in the world for £600k back in 2006. I bet people would have said "Joe Hart? Fuck that. He's a League Two goalkeeper! What the hell? We're Tottenham fucking Hotspur, dammit!!!"

Yeah but Joe Hart was 19/20 back then, Steven Fletcher is 25. Also Joe Hart wasn't a complete secret, Man United tracked him and could have had him for £100,000 but Fergie wasn't sure.

I didn't see nobody complain when we splashed out £8m on Dawson and Reid and the same amount for Naughton and Walker.

You pluck players from the lower leagues when they can still develop.

In the case of Fletcher he isn't even a lower league player, the guy has been in the PL last 3 seasons and you can't blame him for his club's relegation. I just think the expectations is so much lower at those team, and nobody put you under the spotlight if you go 8/9 games without a goal. Over there, when fit, he plays all the time and the play is focused around him as the goalscorer - he wouldn't get as many chances at Spurs as he'd probably be a sub coming on for the last 10 mins or so. I don't think he is clinical enough.

 

[HappySpur]

I know a lot of people can give Dan a hard time, and Dan, to be fair, you push buttons.

But has anybody ever noticed Dan's knowledge of Agents. It can come in very handy and he deserves some props for being there with that info from time to time.

Cheers

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Yeah but Joe Hart was 19/20 back then, Steven Fletcher is 25. Also Joe Hart wasn't a complete secret, Man United tracked him and could have had him for £100,000 but Fergie wasn't sure.

I didn't see nobody complain when we splashed out £8m on Dawson and Reid and the same amount for Naughton and Walker.

You pluck players from the lower leagues when they can still develop.

In the case of Fletcher he isn't even a lower league player, the guy has been in the PL last 3 seasons and you can't blame him for his club's relegation. I just think the expectations is so much lower at those team, and nobody put you under the spotlight if you go 8/9 games without a goal. Over there, when fit, he plays all the time and the play is focused around him as the goalscorer - he wouldn't get as many chances at Spurs as he'd probably be a sub coming on for the last 10 mins or so. I don't think he is clinical enough.

Clinical is one thing he is mate. He has the best chance conversion % in the league.

 

[AngerManagement]

I know a lot of people can give Dan a hard time, and Dan, to be fair, you push buttons.

But has anybody ever noticed Dan's knowledge of Agents. It can come in very handy and he deserves some props for being there with that info from time to time.

Cheers

Time to start an "Ask Dan Ashcroft again " thread

 

[hybridsoldier]

Clinical is one thing he is mate. He has the best chance conversion % in the league.

I don't think so:

http://www.eplindex.com/14787/premier-league-team-year-1112-opta-stats-part-3-strikers.html

Not the worst striker around but definitely not the best chance conversion. The same as Ade actually and Ade is a bloody awful finisher even though the rest of his game is brilliant.

 

[DanNolan]

using the above article, have people spoke about the fact lennon obviously was the main difference between our good and bad form this season? I dont think hes got the credit he deserves, if remy is comingin as a direct replacement i think money is better spent elsewhere

 

[DanNolan]

To add to my earlier point in http://www.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Winger-Comparison-1.png
Look at Lennons cross completed %,hes iproved hugely. Why on earth isnt he on the plane to the Euros

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

using the above article, have people spoke about the fact lennon obviously was the main difference between our good and bad form this season? I dont think hes got the credit he deserves, if remy is comingin as a direct replacement i think money is better spent elsewhere

Remy won't be a replacement though. This gives us options.

 

[ryantegan]

Remy won't be a replacement though. This gives us options.

Exactly

We need to move on from the idea that x will replace y and then we sell y.

It's a squad game

 

[septicsac]

Fletcher on the cheap as 3rd/4th choice would be ok, especially if Saha and defoe move on. Would be good to keep ADE and add likes of Leandro or Remy first though

 

[DanNolan]

it is a squad game, however harry is our manager which unless he is forced through injury.... means that players who are sub that have cost a lot is a waste of money? Can you see Remy up as a 1?

 

[OmarsComing]

WHO IS BERRYL THE NAME WAS MENTIONED IN ON OF THE SC ITK THREADS

TYIA

 

[smudger]

WHO IS BERRYL THE NAME WAS MENTIONED IN ON OF THE SC ITK THREADS

TYIA

ITS VERTONGHEN

 

[AngerManagement]

ITS VERTONGHEN

How? why? is this another Dave situation?

 

[StartingPrice]

How? why? is this another Dave situation?

It's a Dave groundhog day

 

[Ndombers]

Whos Dave?

 

[tommyt]

Whos Dave?

You don't know itk?

Time for a new username





Italian Dave, with the great left foot. Beryls lover no less.

 

[marvel]

Dave is Remy. Someone's phone autocorrected Remy to Dave and the name stuck.

 

[hybridsoldier]

using the above article, have people spoke about the fact lennon obviously was the main difference between our good and bad form this season? I dont think hes got the credit he deserves, if remy is comingin as a direct replacement i think money is better spent elsewhere

Great point. When fit, Aaron Lennon had a really good season and has some really brilliant games. I know Bale is awesome but Lennon does not get any credit for the shifts he puts in.

Everyone keeps assuming Fletcher will be cheap, why? Charlie Adam cost Liverpool £8m from relegated Blackpool. Your looking for £8m-10m for Fletcher I reckon. Why? He has 2 years left on his contract and Wolves have parachute payments meaning they don't need to sell yet.

Anyway it seems he is gonna go to Sunderland, where he will probably score 12 goals! So we can close the door on that