The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 26th May 2015

[Gaz_Gammon]

Have a look in his thread in the loan section.

But this from a Brentford fan.

https://bfctalk.wordpress.com/

Sure it wasn't his mother?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Stupid for signing Bentley, or something in the transfer?

Both....twenty times over. Better make that thirty.

 

[225]

Both....twenty times over. Better make that thirty.

Much like many of our terrible signings, at the time it was good business. He was a great prospect and an excellent footballer.

Harry didn't like him, Ramos didn't get him, and he did seem to have a love/hate relationship with himself.

It's exactly the same situation with any player we're linked with, be it Berahino, Ings, Schneiderlin etc - we don't have the benefit of hindsight, and they can either be a Kane (brilliance from nowhere) or a Soldado (brilliant elsewhere, but not with us)

 

[yido_number1]

But if Burnley have received a bud from a club they can use that figure as bargaining at the tribunal. They can legitimately say that they hit a strong bid and that pushes up the final fee.

Was discussed a while back that bids aren't considered for setting the tribunal fee. Its to do with accademy quality and some other things...

 

[DaSpurs]

Was discussed a while back that bids aren't considered for setting the tribunal fee. Its to do with accademy quality and some other things...

According to the Sky article, the fees are included in consideration by the tribunal for "substantiated interest." This makes sense, as the whole point of these compensation fees are to protect smaller clubs who find it more difficult to hold on to young players they develop. It would be all the less fair if they didn't take into account the fact that those players have varied levels of desirability.

 

[yido_number1]

According to the Sky article, the fees are included in consideration by the tribunal for "substantiated interest." This makes sense, as the whole point of these compensation fees are to protect smaller clubs who find it more difficult to hold on to young players they develop. It would be all the less fair if they didn't take into account the fact that those players have varied levels of desirability.

A big part of it is the quality of the academy. Palace for example is classed low even though they have produced some top talent.

 

[zzz]

A big part of it is the quality of the academy. Palace for example is classed low even though they have produced some top talent.

If the academies are rated, wouldn't it be a method to easily attribute an estimated cost the academy has spent on producing the player.

If one Academy has spent the better part of a couple million on a youth prospect via billable time for a multitude of staff, travel, accomodation, development facilities ect... They should expect to be reimbursed more than an academy who's youth team manager is also the bus driver and assistant grounds keeper?

 

[CowInAComa]

Ings. Seriously could I give less of a shit.

Pick Liverpool
mate, we've got bang average covered

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

If Burnley accept the bid, we'll get exclusive access to him for the next 5 weeks to discuss terms

Liverpool might then move on to inferior targets like Benteke, which will worry the Ings camp

And once it comes to July, they will likely still end up having to pay the £12m for him.

We've ensured Liverpool have to respond with a match bid, or by walking away

Mate you'e talking shite. Burnley accept bid from us. Ings doesn't sign contract with us. Once his contract is up, fee is decided by tribunal and is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO ANY BID WE MADE. It'd not hard to get a grasp of.

 

[Yid1987]

Mate you'e talking shite. Burnley accept bid from us. Ings doesn't sign contract with us. Once his contract is up, fee is decided by tribunal and is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO ANY BID WE MADE. It'd not hard to get a grasp of.

The bid does matter because it indicates potential value of a player which informs the fee decided by tribunal

 

[Bus-Conductor]

JJetset in Ings thread just now

Liverpool still red hot favourites

Thank fuck.

 

[dovahkiin]

jj has had his say in the ings thread

this is what jasper had to say
jasper on ings: we are serious about him, and seems we feel we can get him. Will we? Only him and his agent knows, but regardless of what the media may be saying there are obviously talks taking place, and as of not long ago hadn't turned us down.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Have a look in his thread in the loan section.

But this from a Brentford fan.

https://bfctalk.wordpress.com/

That's nice about Pritchard but to lump him in as "of the quality of Pritchard and Odibajo" kind of spoilt it. Odibajo's pretty shit.

 

[Lilbaz]

The bid does matter because it indicates potential value of a player which informs the fee decided by tribunal

Please read the rules they are at the bottom of the pdf from page 96 onwards.

http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2012/jul/youth-development-regulations

IT IS NOT DETERMINED BY PREVIOUS BIDS.

Any agreement between a Club and another Club (or club) as to the compensation payable on the transfer of a registration, whether pursuant to Rule 276.2or otherwise, may not take effect so as to vary the contingent compensation payable pursuant to this section of the Rules to any other Club (or Football League club).

 

[arunspurs]

Would love to pinch another one from Liverpool. Just for the sake of it

 

[Ledleys Knee]

I can't believe we're close on Ings, Trippier and Wimmer and it's not even June yet.

That would probably be more than half our incomings sorted before everyone disappears on holiday. Very impressive

 

[dwaynedibley]

Mate you'e talking shite. Burnley accept bid from us. Ings doesn't sign contract with us. Once his contract is up, fee is decided by tribunal and is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT TO ANY BID WE MADE. It'd not hard to get a grasp of.

I know what you mean, some people cannot grasp a simple fucking scenario, I wonder how some people actually function from day to day??

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Please read the rules they are at the bottom of the pdf from page 96 onwards.

http://www.thefa.com/News/governance/2012/jul/youth-development-regulations

IT IS NOT DETERMINED BY PREVIOUS BIDS.

Any agreement between a Club and another Club (or club) as to the compensation payable on the transfer of a registration, whether pursuant to Rule 276.2or otherwise, may not take effect so as to vary the contingent compensation payable pursuant to this section of the Rules to any other Club (or Football League club).

I do not think this is same procedure applicable to Ings.

See: http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2014/05/compensation-players-24-mystery/


PFCC hearings require each club to provide evidence to support their valuation of the player in question. In making its judgment the committee will take into account the costs of both clubs in operating a Football Academy or Centre of Excellence, as well as the age and playing record of the player, the length of time he was registered with his original club, the terms offered by both clubs, the status of the two clubs, the substantiated interest shown by other clubs in acquiring the registration of the player and any amounts paid by the original club to acquire the player in the first place.

 

[y1dk1d]

I can't believe we're close on Ings, Trippier and Wimmer and it's not even June yet.

That would probably be more than half our incomings sorted before everyone disappears on holiday. Very impressive

I wouldn't say we're close to the Burnley duo yet!

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

One last follow up on Ings comp - see appendix 12 to the Premier League Handbook:

1. In making a determination as aforesaid, the Committee shall take into account the costs set out in Regulation 4 and any of the following criteria:
   
   1. 3.1 the status of each of the Transferor Club and the Transferee Club;
      
      
   2. 3.2 the age of the Player;
      
      
   3. 3.3 the Training Model(s) (as that term is defined in Youth Development Rule 1.70) on which the Player was engaged with the Transferor Club;
      
      
   4. 3.4 the amount of any fee paid by the Transferor Club upon acquiring the registration of the Player;
      
      
   5. 3.5 the length of time during which the Transferor Club held the registration of the Player;
      
      
   6. 3.6 the terms of the new contract offered to him by both the Transferor Club and the Transferee Club;
      
      
   7. 3.7 his playing record including any international appearances;
      
      
   8. 3.8 substantiated interest shown by other clubs in acquiring the registration of the Player.
      
      
      
      So, any bid by us will be used as part of the substantiated interest shown, in the event Ings signs elsewhere.