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Chris12

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So he's supposed to refuse an undoubtedly lucrative offer and be held captive to a club whose supporters and hierarchy kicked him to the dirt and shit for most of his time with us? That is incredibly selfish. I'm not advocating it and I'll hate to see him go, but he a) deserves interest from City for his performances this season and b) doesn't owe us a fuckin thing after the way the club and supporters treated him last season. If anything, we're lucky he'll still be garnering us a massively overpaid fee from a desperate City after the way we treated him.

"Fuck you, you're goddamn awful and are a pathetic excuse for a defender."

One year later:

"Alright then, one strong season, that's decent. Now stay here another year with us and refuse that offer for Champions League, genuine title challenges, and a fat salary and play for me."

Ridiculous.
How did the club treat him badly? Some of the fans were OTT and that's about it. And he deserved some of the criticism (not the over the top stuff) because he was shite last season and was hardly trying, just jogging back. One good season and that means people deserve to go to Top 4 clubs?

There seems to be this ridiculous notion going about this site that players are too good for the club which is complete and utter horse shit and the only possible and slight exception could be that of Lloris and even that is a push. Rose is not too good for us and yes it does piss me off that after one decent season he expects to be sold. Surprisingly enough, I don't support Rose or any individual player over the club and if they are going to think they are too good for my great club after one decent season, you're goddamn right I will get pissed off with them. It's ****ery in my book to think too good for a club after one decent season, especially when the season before they were utter shite for the club and then look to leave straight away.
 

yankspurs

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How did the club treat him badly? Some of the fans were OTT and that's about it. And he deserved some of the criticism (not the over the top stuff) because he was shite last season and was hardly trying, just jogging back. One good season and that means people deserve to go to Top 4 clubs?

There seems to be this ridiculous notion going about this site that players are too good for the club which is complete and utter horse shit and the only possible and slight exception could be that of Lloris and even that is a push. Rose is not too good for us and yes it does piss me off that after one decent season he expects to be sold. Surprisingly enough, I don't support Rose or any individual player over the club and if they are going to think they are too good for my great club after one decent season, you're goddamn right I will get pissed off with them. It's ****ery in my book to think too good for a club after one decent season, especially when the season before they were utter shite for the club and then look to leave straight away.
About Lloris....¿Que? The guy is a top 5 keeper in the world.
 

Blackcanary

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How did the club treat him badly? Some of the fans were OTT and that's about it. And he deserved some of the criticism (not the over the top stuff) because he was shite last season and was hardly trying, just jogging back. One good season and that means people deserve to go to Top 4 clubs?

There seems to be this ridiculous notion going about this site that players are too good for the club which is complete and utter horse shit and the only possible and slight exception could be that of Lloris and even that is a push. Rose is not too good for us and yes it does piss me off that after one decent season he expects to be sold. Surprisingly enough, I don't support Rose or any individual player over the club and if they are going to think they are too good for my great club after one decent season, you're goddamn right I will get pissed off with them. It's ****ery in my book to think too good for a club after one decent season, especially when the season before they were utter shite for the club and then look to leave straight away.

Most footballers have egos and are none too bright. Plus, quite a few will have agents in their ear wanting a pay day if a 'big' club shows interest.

There's a long, sad line of players who have taken the big leap and failed miserably, for every one who does make the grade when they try to move up in the football food chain. There always will be. Rose wouldn't be the first to think he could make it with a move.
 

thinktank

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How did the club treat him badly? Some of the fans were OTT and that's about it. And he deserved some of the criticism (not the over the top stuff) because he was shite last season and was hardly trying, just jogging back. One good season and that means people deserve to go to Top 4 clubs?

There seems to be this ridiculous notion going about this site that players are too good for the club which is complete and utter horse shit and the only possible and slight exception could be that of Lloris and even that is a push. Rose is not too good for us and yes it does piss me off that after one decent season he expects to be sold. Surprisingly enough, I don't support Rose or any individual player over the club and if they are going to think they are too good for my great club after one decent season, you're goddamn right I will get pissed off with them. It's ****ery in my book to think too good for a club after one decent season, especially when the season before they were utter shite for the club and then look to leave straight away.
Kinell Chris you're scaring the shit out of me with all this level-headedness.
 

DaSpurs

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How did the club treat him badly? Some of the fans were OTT and that's about it. And he deserved some of the criticism (not the over the top stuff) because he was shite last season and was hardly trying, just jogging back. One good season and that means people deserve to go to Top 4 clubs?

There seems to be this ridiculous notion going about this site that players are too good for the club which is complete and utter horse shit and the only possible and slight exception could be that of Lloris and even that is a push. Rose is not too good for us and yes it does piss me off that after one decent season he expects to be sold. Surprisingly enough, I don't support Rose or any individual player over the club and if they are going to think they are too good for my great club after one decent season, you're goddamn right I will get pissed off with them. It's ****ery in my book to think too good for a club after one decent season, especially when the season before they were utter shite for the club and then look to leave straight away.

Who said anything about him being too good for us? All I'm saying is that he doesn't owe us an ounce of loyalty.

The fans treated him like utter shit last season. There is absolutely no excuse for the extent of it, regardless of his performances. The reaction on twitter to the announcement of his contract extension was fucking appalling. I think it commendable he shut up and kept playing for us in the first place after that, let alone put in the incredibly ball-busting displays he did this term.

The club clearly tried to replace him. There's no doubt Davies was brought in with intention to either provide competition and/or replace him. Davies left a starting spot at Swansea and apparently turned down an offer to Liverpool to come to us, so I find it very difficult to believe he wasn't coming in with impression to be at least fighting for first choice.

Regardless of your stance on the second part from the club, he doesn't owe us anything after the way he was treated by the fans last season. If he receives a fat offer to play for a title-challenging team and play CL, he owes us nothing to turn that down and continue playing for the fans who vilified him so poorly for well over a year.
 

Chris12

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Who said anything about him being too good for us? All I'm saying is that he doesn't owe us an ounce of loyalty.

The fans treated him like utter shit last season. There is absolutely no excuse for the extent of it, regardless of his performances. The reaction on twitter to the announcement of his contract extension was fucking appalling. I think it commendable he shut up and kept playing for us in the first place after that, let alone put in the incredibly ball-busting displays he did this term.

The club clearly tried to replace him. There's no doubt Davies was brought in with intention to either provide competition and/or replace him. Davies left a starting spot at Swansea and apparently turned down an offer to Liverpool to come to us, so I find it very difficult to believe he wasn't coming in with impression to be at least fighting for first choice.

Regardless of your stance on the second part from the club, he doesn't owe us anything after the way he was treated by the fans last season. If he receives a fat offer to play for a title-challenging team and play CL, he owes us nothing to turn that down and continue playing for the fans who vilified him so poorly for well over a year.
Seems like you are implying he is too good for the club by saying that he deserves to go to City if I'm going to be honest. I don't think he deserves to go to City after one decent season nor deserves to just leave the club after one decent seasons and speaks volume of his character if it's true. They brought in Davies who as you said has provided competition. Was always going to be close between the two, I'd hardly describe that as the club kicking "him to the dirt and shit for most of his time with us". Not all fans treated him as shit as the twitter ones and some on her. He was shite last season and he was lazy last season and his criticisms were deserved. Again, I guess I have to repeat this - the OTT stuff wasn't deserved, but other reasonable criticisms were very deserved.

It might be reasonable for him to go to City, but I don't like a player who expects to be sold after one decent season nor a player who seems to think little of my club, if RT tweets or that Everton rumour is to be believed then I have every right to be upset with a player who again has one decent season and is off.

Kinell Chris you're scaring the shit out of me with all this level-headedness.
Still a ****.
 

ryantegan

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[QUOTE"THFCSPURS19, post: 4620742, member: 24574"]OK so some people at the Everton game may or may not have heard Rose maybe possibly saying that he wants to leave. OK, firstly, I'm pretty sure no Spurs fans would have been sitting near Rose, and secondly, does anyone really believe that Rose would be talking about wanting to leave while he's sitting in a crowd, including many supporters. Yeah, I don't think so- I think someone is on the wind-up.[/QUOTE]
Wasnt In the crowd mate.
 

DaSpurs

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Seems like you are implying he is too good for the club by saying that he deserves to go to City if I'm going to be honest. I don't think he deserves to go to City after one decent season nor deserves to just leave the club after one decent seasons and speaks volume of his character if it's true. They brought in Davies who as you said has provided competition. Was always going to be close between the two, I'd hardly describe that as the club kicking "him to the dirt and shit for most of his time with us". Not all fans treated him as shit as the twitter ones and some on her. He was shite last season and he was lazy last season and his criticisms were deserved. Again, I guess I have to repeat this - the OTT stuff wasn't deserved, but other reasonable criticisms were very deserved.

It might be reasonable for him to go to City, but I don't like a player who expects to be sold after one decent season nor a player who seems to think little of my club, if RT tweets or that Everton rumour is to be believed then I have every right to be upset with a player who again has one decent season and is off.

If you're interpreting it as I think he's "too good for Spurs and good enough for City" then that's your own interpretation, and sounds like a bit of overly sensitive Napoleon Syndrome if I'm honest. I'm not saying he's "too big" for Spurs, I'm saying he doesn't owe us anything after the way he was treated.

"Doesn't deserve to just leave the club after one decent season" and it "speaks volume of his character if it's true?" So what you're saying is that the fans can vilify the everliving shit out of a player, absolutely bombard social media with horrid comments about him, greet the announcement of his contract extension with incredible hostility, and it "speaks volume about his character" if he doesn't want to stay and play for those fans? Really mate? We have the right to insult a player to that extent and then expect him to want to turn down an incredible salary to stay for us, let alone condemn him for wanting to leave after such treatment? And because a minority didn't say those horrible things, that justifies your stance and he should have just ignored those terrible comments made by the rest?

The reactions weren't just "OTT" mate, they were utterly appalling. The reaction in particular to the announcement of his contract extension was nothing short of disgusting. That was the single only day I was ever ashamed to be associated with Spurs. I can't believe I'm reading that someone is saying his character should be condemned after what he's given us this year because he doesn't want to stay and play for those fans when he's been offered an incredible deal. That is just well out of line.

I don't think he's "expecting to be sold" because he reached some threshold of greatness, but rather because he's received contact of interest from one of these clubs, and they've likely told him they'll be willing to match prices quoted by Levy in order to get him. That's a massive, massive difference.
 

THFCSPURS19

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[QUOTE"THFCSPURS19, post: 4620742, member: 24574"]OK so some people at the Everton game may or may not have heard Rose maybe possibly saying that he wants to leave. OK, firstly, I'm pretty sure no Spurs fans would have been sitting near Rose, and secondly, does anyone really believe that Rose would be talking about wanting to leave while he's sitting in a crowd, including many supporters. Yeah, I don't think so- I think someone is on the wind-up.
Wasnt In the crowd mate.[/QUOTE]
Where was he then?
 

EnfieldYiddo

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and Alli, Carroll and Fredericks. They won't solve our problems, but they will improve our squad.
Agree on latter two but how could you possibly not be excited about Alli?! It's no small feat to score the amount of goals he did from midfield even in the lower leagues... Throw in the fact he is 19, his potential is huge.
 
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THFCSPURS19

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Agree on latter two but how could you possibly not be excited about Alli?! It's no small feat to score the amount of goals he did from midfield even in the lower leagues... Throw in the fact he is 19, his potential is potentially huge.
If the question is indirectly posed to me, as spurs9 was replying to my post, then I am extremely excited about Alli.

(I'm not quite sure what your post meant because nobody has said they are not excited about him :p - unless it's rhetorical :cautious: )
 

Dirty Ewok

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What happened in here?....I wander off for a bit and come back to us selling off all sorts of players...
 

spurs9

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Agree on latter two but how could you possibly not be excited about Alli?! It's no small feat to score the amount of goals he did from midfield even in the lower leagues... Throw in the fact he is 19, his potential is huge.
I think you have misread my post, I was saying all 3 would improve our squad (along with Pritchard & Wimmer, who @THFCSPURS19 had already mentioned in the post I was replying to).
 

Sweech

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I thought Rose was one of the supposed "favoured ones" along with Lloris and Kane for Poch.
 

spurs9

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Can see City being aggressive. We have no beef with them and they would undoubtedly pay handsomely to get a quality homegrown player, especially with Milner now leaving.

Sucks IMO. Have been very impressed with Rose's performances this season. Stunning turnaround though from Spurs scapegoat in a disappointing season to a year later likely to end up at Man City. Would hate to see him go, but good on him for the work he did in his improvement. Absolutely deserves it IMO.
And Boyata too,as well as Lampard not being there on loan and Sinclair signing permanently for Villa.

I count 5 HG players over 21 Hart, Wright, Clichy, Richards & Guidetti. I think Wright will be leaving though as his contract end this year and he is 37. They only have 19 non HG players (20 if Valencia don't sign Negredo) over 21 though.
 
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