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mil1lion

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Toby has done great for us but he clearly isn't commited to what we're doing. I just hope we sell him abroad so I can wish him the best of luck. It's a good thing we did so well without him though so clearly we'll continue to progress when he leaves. We just need to ensure we get a top quality replacement because we need the quality in depth.

£100m in todays market will probably get about 3 top quality players. I hope that's what we're looking to do with the money. Quality over quantity.
 

Pedro

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Vertonghen has always been the no. 1 CB unquestionably for at least 3 seasons, and possibly longer than that. We are talking about selling a player who is 2nd best at the club for his position.
I don't get how this has a load of disagrees. Jan has been the top man for 2 seasons now, ok Toby was better for one season the year before, but of the two Jan has been the better overall while they have both been here. Some people believe the media bollox more than their eyes.
 

tiger666

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I don't get how this has a load of disagrees. Jan has been the top man for 2 seasons now, ok Toby was better for one season the year before, but of the two Jan has been the better overall while they have both been here. Some people believe the media bollox more than their eyes.

What does it matter, honestly. They're both very good central defenders. There isn't an awful lot between them.
 

Pauleta01

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£100m investment suggests it is net spend. Otherwise it is not an investment. There has also been some comments slipped in by Balague in he BBC interview that Poch has had to convince the club to be brave and sell some established stars.
So conceivably we could be looking at £200m spend if Dembele, Toby and others leave. In that space 4-5 £40-£50m players will undoubtedly improve the squad, hopefully add pace. And see at least 2 of them become established stars! I think Poch recognises now is the time to turn over the squad a little, you can go stale with pretty much the same team for over three years. Utd under Fergie always changed the squad about every three years to keep it fresh.

As for Toby, the ITK has been clear he burnt bridges with Poch after pulling back on a deal Poch went to the board to get him last summer. By all accounts you get Poch’s trust from the outset but if you betray it there is no going back!
 

Ghost Hardware

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sometimes you just need to read info a little bit more closely and not skim it.

absolutely love this site, but the amount of people that skim threads then post on a topic on the negative side when the info could actually be positive is unbelievable.

I mean @Archibald&Crooks over the last couple of days has posted numerous times that the 2 cryptics are not: CONNECTED, WILL BE ANNOUNCED WHEN THEY CAN AND NOT BEFORE, yet people still waist their time asking the same questions. (now I know why my post count is so low over my near on 8years
I realise it said over, but over 100 mil could mean anything 101 mil or a 150, although I doubt that. And I was purely saying 100 mil doesn’t get you very far these days which is crazy. I am also sure we will spend a large sum of the money we make from sales on replacements.
 

Pedro

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Sound like 100m net spend to me, herc alluded to Apx 70m net spend following a 150 - 170 gross spend. Kinda ties in. What's 30m between friends.
 

Roynie

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ITK (Update 11) had it that we were going to spend £150m on top of whatever we got from outgoings. Now that would get us maybe 3 very good signings and that's without the money released from outgoings. Now we all know things can change, pinch of salt and all that, but it seems to me that there is quite a bit of forgetful memory syndrome on here. Alternatively, could it be some are changing the amounts to support their pessimistic view of life?
 

Parkie

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ITK (Update 11) had it that we were going to spend £150m on top of whatever we got from outgoings. Now that would get us maybe 3 very good signings and that's without the money released from outgoings. Now we all know things can change, pinch of salt and all that, but it seems to me that there is quite a bit of forgetful memory syndrome on here. Alternatively, could it be some are changing the amounts to support their pessimistic view of life?
Significantly, Herc (I think) said that Poch would have the money upfront rather than having to sell before buying this year. With the World Cup and the earlier close of the window, that makes massive sense. It also would seem to signal a change from Levy.
 

Yid-ol

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ITK (Update 11) had it that we were going to spend £150m on top of whatever we got from outgoings. Now that would get us maybe 3 very good signings and that's without the money released from outgoings. Now we all know things can change, pinch of salt and all that, but it seems to me that there is quite a bit of forgetful memory syndrome on here. Alternatively, could it be some are changing the amounts to support their pessimistic view of life?

The last ITK was over 100 million, doesn't say how much over it and the original said 150 million. Now 150million is over 100million so we don't know that they both could be correct?
 

lukadownthelane

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We should get about 100m in sales this summer I reckon so it has to be net. That should plug the holes in the squad.
 

archiewasking

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I know this ship may have sailed, but the I shot the sheriff cryptic sounds to me like Martial ie Marshal. Sorry to keep you all waiting for my take on this, but thinking takes me longer these days.
 

tommyt

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I know this ship may have sailed, but the I shot the sheriff cryptic sounds to me like Martial ie Marshal. Sorry to keep you all waiting for my take on this, but thinking takes me longer these days.

No need to apologise as it hasn't been suggested yet, so definitely worth the wait!

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Lighty64

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I realise it said over, but over 100 mil could mean anything 101 mil or a 150, although I doubt that. And I was purely saying 100 mil doesn’t get you very far these days which is crazy. I am also sure we will spend a large sum of the money we make from sales on replacements.

but £150m get's you further, and sometimes there are bargains out there. Because they don't have 50m price tags, they don't all end up being a Sissoko. there are no guarantees whatever price you pay, that they turn out to be WC.
 

Lighty64

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I know this ship may have sailed, but the I shot the sheriff cryptic sounds to me like Martial ie Marshal. Sorry to keep you all waiting for my take on this, but thinking takes me longer these days.

I think it's too simple, especially if A&C created it, I mean cabbages took forever, and he wouldn't want us to have an easy life, because we all make his life hell:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 

worcestersauce

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Just read the ITK then looked on this thread only to see that almost everybody ignored the ITK and just picked out a number.
The ITK said over £100million not a £100million, my recollection from earlier ITK was £150million plus money from sales which can buy a fair bit of quality and the important thing about Hertyids ITK is that it confirms that the club is splashing the cash which is an absolute seachange in our approach.
 
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