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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 31 July 2011

matrixity

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What amazes me is theyve had a whole year to find good strikers who would accept the wages we offer and instead they keep going back for players we all know wouldnt come. I could of told Levy that Aguero, Llorente, etc.. Wouldnt sign for us.
On the other hand, maybe its all just talk to keep our real tarets out of the press and this week we will announce two or three signings.
 

ajspurs

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You would like to think we won't be wasting time on Llorente if financially he really is out of reach. At the moment it feels like we're gonna have to pay big money one way or another, or settle for the likes of Zamora...
 

stemark44

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strikers and top class ones are a dying breed imo and its a position any club must strive to get best they can. Hence why they cost so much. Modric is midfield player but even when we signed him he had proven quality and was very well regarded.

I agree we are no bigger than some teams, prob little better than hamburg. not in stadium mind. absolute quaity stadium and surrounds! But in there lies half the problem i think. Spurs fans think we are bigger and better than we actually are IMO! and if that was case we wud have signed 2 or 3 strikers by now. Rock and hard place at moment so Levy needs to pull something out of bag

It's not Levy's job to find the players we are looking to sign............that's Harry and his scouting network's job to do that.

And so far of the players we have been linked with .......I could have scouted them without leaving the house!
 

bomberH

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His man management of the players he now wants rid of has been first class you're right.

He could now find himself having to make do with those players so ostracising them is very intelligent. But no doubt that will all be someone elses fault

You a trainer at the club i take it? How else would you know who he's ostracising and who he isn't? The only player people generally seem to agree he's mistreated is Niko, but some may say it's Niko's own fault for coming back pre season 18 stone heavier than he should've been.

You said - 'His man management of the players he now wants rid of has been first class you're right' - That doesn't make sense. Just because he wants rid of them doesn't have anything to do with his man management skills. Maybe, just maybe, they're not good enough. You can be the best man manager in the world, but if you don't think the player is good enough, that's that. He hasn't mistreated any of them - he's always been 'nice' publicly about Bentley and Keane etc. There's no way anyone outside the club can know what's going on inside the club.

Also, when pretty much all the 'experts' on tv agree that Harry is a very good man manager, i'd rather take their opinion over anyone's on here. Yes, some individuals can talk rubbish, but when they nearly all agree on one thing, it should tell a story.
 

stemark44

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What would be nice is if Harry et al could indentify players who aren't going to smash our wage structure. Granted its not easy but thats were time and resources should be going.

Absolutely what are we paying our scouts for .................travelling around the world watching players and then we end up putting bids in for the likes of Rossi,Mata,Vucinic and Llorente.

Anyone of us could scout these kind of players on our fucking laptops!
 

stemark44

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and what players are those that he wants rid of???

defoe.. rarely plays and debately if harry wants him gone.
jenas does not play ever unless in middle of injury crisis.
bentley - next.
keane - next..
who are these players that he will be left with and has to deal with when none of them get a game anyway

The players Harry wants to get rid of are the players he bought to save us from oblivion.
Keane,Defoe and Crouch..........strikers that he didn't upgrade on last year when most of us knew that they were not good enough.
Kranjcar,Palacios and Bassong who he bought and now can't get anywhere near the team and want to leave.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Vucinic expected to sign for Juve 2moro...We did agree the deal with Roma at 13.5 million..Then Vucinic's agent touted him to everyone...There was always interest from other clubs so was never a dead cert...Juve came in with a better offer to Roma (paying more cash upfront than us) and offered Vucinic and his agent a better financial package... If any transfer is to happen soon it is Diarra...I mentioned this weeks ago but apparently the Journalist has claimed he was the first to mention it even before the media? :duh: Also i remember mentioning back at the start of the U21's euro's that we had club officials there watching Mata...My source has said Levy is desperately trying to pull it off but he wants the move to Arsenal....

I think the journalist was the first to call Diarra as pretty much done deal, I think that's what he meant.
 

matrixity

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Hope for a Llorente Lunes perhaps?

Dont get your hopes that high. Wont happen. Nor Rossi, Falcao, Mata, Vucinic, Benzema or anyone similar to them.
At the moment the only thing i see possible is the Diarra deal.
At least this week we hope to get rid of some of the deadwood (Keane, Hutton, Gio).
 

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You a trainer at the club i take it? How else would you know who he's ostracising and who he isn't? The only player people generally seem to agree he's mistreated is Niko, but some may say it's Niko's own fault for coming back pre season 18 stone heavier than he should've been.

You said - 'His man management of the players he now wants rid of has been first class you're right' - That doesn't make sense. Just because he wants rid of them doesn't have anything to do with his man management skills. Maybe, just maybe, they're not good enough. You can be the best man manager in the world, but if you don't think the player is good enough, that's that. He hasn't mistreated any of them - he's always been 'nice' publicly about Bentley and Keane etc. There's no way anyone outside the club can know what's going on inside the club.

Also, when pretty much all the 'experts' on tv agree that Harry is a very good man manager, i'd rather take their opinion over anyone's on here
. Yes, some individuals can talk rubbish, but when they nearly all agree on one thing, it should tell a story.

TV experts who are outside our club ?

Have you ever heard a TV expert say of any manager "he's a shit manager" ?

That wasn't one of the worse statements he's made recently, but why is everything that comes out of his mouth so negative about our chances. Six months ago he was telling everyone there's no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for the title, now we're also rans behind Liverpool. This with players like Bale, Modric, VDV and him having spent more than Liverpool just have on our team in his first two and half years.
 

matrixity

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Maybe he is trying to put the pressure on DL to get the deals done and through the press he's telling DL that without those signings he cant expect him to fight for top 4?
 

stemark44

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Maybe he is trying to put the pressure on DL to get the deals done and through the press he's telling DL that without those signings he cant expect him to fight for top 4?

So he is a shy kinda guy and can't knock on Levy's door to tell him to his face?
 

matrixity

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So he is a shy kinda guy and can't knock on Levy's door to tell him to his face?

But he can put more pressure on him if he goes public with it?

All the talk about the wages: if we get rid of keane, hutton, gio, etc... Cant we have a shorter squad in number and maybe put the wages of two or three players into a top class strikers wage?
 

bomberH

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TV experts who are outside our club ?

Have you ever heard a TV expert say of any manager "he's a shit manager" ?

That wasn't one of the worse statements he's made recently, but why is everything that comes out of his mouth so negative about our chances. Six months ago he was telling everyone there's no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for the title, now we're also rans behind Liverpool. This with players like Bale, Modric, VDV and him having spent more than Liverpool just have on our team in his first two and half years.

But a few of the experts have either played under him or know someone who has and has been given good reports about Harry by them. They also tend to know the professional game better than most of us, as they've been in and around it their whole lives. Not saying there isn't the odd wanker around (Hansen constantly criticising BAE when he blatantly doesn't watch him regularly) but when pretty much all of them agree, and they also agree that he's the best choice for England manager, he must be doing something right.

He speaks too much, that's obvious. But it's a vicious circle now, as the media know this and keep pestering him. But cos he's always been a media darling, he can't say no now even if he wanted to. Plus he wants to keep them sweet for when he takes the England job. He should just say 'i've said all i can about player X and i have no further comment to make', but he won't do that. All this talk regarding not finishing in the top 4 is blatantly him trying to lower expectations, whether it's to save face or to actually help the team out. No doubt some will think it's the former, but no-one knows that for certain. There's no point in saying 'we could win the league this year' if we can't afford any player that will help us do this. He's just being realistic and pessimistic. As long as it's not rubbing off on the players (Modric is a different kettly of fish) then i'm ok by it. He doesn't say the same things to the players does he? He's not gonna walk into the dressing room, or have a meeting with the lads and say 'right, we're aiming for 6th this year'.

But yep, he does speak too much - this is his main fault in my opinion.
 

jurgen

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It is quite amusing that small time Harry even gets flack for trying to pick targets that are unrealistic and too big time for us. One thing we can agree on is that the players we could scout on our laptop would all improve us immensely. So as we are told Levy is very ambitious, what is the problem? Presumably as a club with ambitions for top 4 we go into transfer dealings united, behind the man who runs the football side of things, to try and best deliver players he feels can get us to compete with the 5 clubs around us. And in respect of players with that stature, we need to work in the context of what they expect to be paid.

Or to keep it simple - it might be the only strikers we can afford are not even a Vucinic, but someone below that level who would still cost us a decent whack in wages and fee and be risky at that. If that is the case, fine, but lets not pretend that is necessarily enough to drag us back up to the top four.
 

stemark44

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But the problem is Jurgen is that we all know we can't compete with the wages that other clubs pay.............this isn't new..we haven't recently built a 60,000 seater stadium and the last time I checked we haven't been bought by someone from the Saudi Royal family with a trillion pounds to spend.
Redknapp knows our limits therefore you would think he would be looking in the markets that we could actually buy players in!
You don't shop at Harrod's when you are on the dole!
 
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