The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 31st May 2012

[pistolP]

Mirror running an exclusive story tomorrow that Harry may be off to Qatar, that he feels he is being pushed out...

I will help Harry pack his things.

 

[hoodlum]

Or does he enjoy the thrill of wheeling and dealing too much to let it go?

It'll likely always be Levy>DOF>Manager in terms of opinion value, unless the DOF and/or Manager have a substantial track record of success.

 

[Spurger King]

Absolutely fantastic post, exactly how I feel as well.

Unfortunately we don't have a winner like Belichick, Ferguson, Mourinho, or Klopp in charge, we got 'Arry - and I don't believe 'Arry has a winning attitude.

It really isn't. It's a mixture of simplifications and misunderstandings.

Belichick is the kind of guy that would sale Modric to Arsenal and tell us to fuck ourselves when we whined about it (and I would whine). He'd then go out and shut us up by winning.

I don't even know where to begin. If a manager did anything remotely similar to that they'd never manage another Spurs game again....let alone have a chance to "shut us up by winning."

If by some miracle they weren't driven out by the public outcry and media witchhunt, they'd soon realise that the massive negative reaction of the fans would destroy any neat little system they may have prepared, as the atmosphere leads to pressure. Very real ways in which a hostile crowd can affect the players.

To put it simply, it's a great attitude and one I can appreciate, however it wouldn't work in the premiership in a million years - certainly not at our club.

It's pointless comparing the Premiership to the French, German and Spanish leagues. It's ignoring the subtle ways in which those clubs relate to the other teams in their divisions. This magical term 'system' is far too ambiguous. City have a system - buy the best players in the world for the biggest wages in the world - but yeah I'm sure a stoical attitude and the sale of our best players to our rivals with a "fuck you" message to the fans will make up for that monumental financial deficit...

A nice idea that conveniently ignores the reality of the Premiership.

 

[Spurger King]

LOL @ It'sBoris.

Tit for tat..bless.

 

[McFlash]

Or does he enjoy the thrill of wheeling and dealing too much to let it go?

He'll just work with (or control) the dof he employs!

I'm thinking that if H has run his course, if, I can see DL trying to get his preferred system going again. He's wanted continuity for ages but hasn't quite succeeded yet.
That's not to stop Levy trying though.

 

[ItsBoris]

It really isn't. It's a mixture of simplifications and misunderstandings.




I don't even know where to begin. If a manager did anything remotely similar to that they'd never manage another Spurs game again....let alone have a chance to "shut us up by winning."

If by some miracle they weren't driven out by the public outcry and media witchhunt, they'd soon realise that the massive negative reaction of the fans would destroy any neat little system they may have prepared, as the atmosphere leads to pressure. Very real ways in which a hostile crowd can affect the players.

To put it simply, it's a great attitude and one I can appreciate, however it wouldn't work in the premiership in a million years - certainly not at our club.

It's pointless comparing the Premiership to the French, German and Spanish leagues. It's ignoring the subtle ways in which those clubs relate to the other teams in their divisions. This magical term 'system' is far too ambiguous. City have a system - buy the best players in the world for the biggest wages in the world - but yeah I'm sure a stoical attitude and the sale of our best players to our rivals with a "fuck you" message to the fans will make up for that monumental financial deficit...

A nice idea that conveniently ignores the reality of the Premiership.

I think the 'selling Modric' thing was more about illustrating a point than saying he would genuinely do that.

"To put it simply, it's a great attitude and one I can appreciate, however it wouldn't work in the premiership in a million years - certainly not at our club."

You might as well have said "it's a great attitude to have (winning) and one I can appreciate, however it wouldn't work here because it's the exact thing we have been lacking for many years."

I believe in doing great, bold things. I believe that only people who share that attitude can do such things together, as a team. A winning attitude and determination is exactly what WOULD work. It's what Man Utd has been running on for years, it's how Chelsea won the CL against all the odds - but that would never work right?

"A nice idea that conveniently ignores the reality of the Premiership" - The best ideas and greatest people are usually the ones who ignore the so-called "reality" that others claim cannot be defied.

 

[ItsBoris]

LOL @ It'sBoris.

Tit for tat..bless.

I've only given out 2 negative ratings ever, 1 to your post just now. Personally don't see the point of calling people 'dumb' or 'disliking' what people say, but in this case I genuinely do disagree with what you said plus I was annoyed by your negative rating.

 

[hoodlum]

Stay on topic which is Harry's goin' to sleep wit the triffic fishes!

 

[Spurger King]

I think the 'selling Modric' thing was more about illustrating a point than saying he would genuinely do that.

"To put it simply, it's a great attitude and one I can appreciate, however it wouldn't work in the premiership in a million years - certainly not at our club."

You might as well have said "it's a great attitude to have (winning) and one I can appreciate, however it wouldn't work here because it's the exact thing we have been lacking for many years."

I believe in doing great, bold things. I believe that only people who share that attitude can do such things together, as a team. A winning attitude and determination is exactly what WOULD work. It's what Man Utd has been running on for years, it's how Chelsea won the CL against all the odds - but that would never work right?

"A nice idea that conveniently ignores the reality of the Premiership" - The best ideas and greatest people are usually the ones who ignore the so-called "reality" that others claim cannot be defied.

It wouldn't be a 'winning attitude' in the current environment. If we had a manager that applied that attitude this club would plummet.

I have nothing against a winning attitude and determination - and I believe this is exactly what Levy is starting to show - but do you genuinely think that selling our best players to our rivals (yes I know it's an example but it's representative of the whole attitude) because they have a sense of importance will improve us???

Other clubs know how to manage the big ego's because they have the money to keep them interested. I think the system mapped out by Happy Spur is optimistic at best, and at worst naive.

 

[Spurger King]

I've only given out 2 negative ratings ever, 1 to your post just now. Personally don't see the point of calling people 'dumb' or 'disliking' what people say, but in this case I genuinely do disagree with what you said plus I was annoyed by your negative rating.

I've given out loads of negative ratings - every single one to Welshie (see my sig) after he decided to go mental.

I wouldn't call you 'dumb' because I respect your view - that doesn't mean I don't dislike it.

I hope you're not offended as it really isn't meant to be a criticism in that way. I got 99% of my red ratings because I made a joke about the quality of the Welsh football team in FIFA for fuck's sake!

We all want the best for Spurs - but I strongly disagree with the 'system' indicated by Happy Spur. It really wouldn't work.

 

[spud]

He was in the last year of his contract ....i think. We will sell him for more that we bought him for and minus the cost of his wages probably works out that we had him for 6 months for nothing.

Which would be fair, as that's precisely what he has done for us.

 

[spud]

Not sure on AVB, someone made a good point in another thread about how he seems intelligent because of the way he speaks but he doesn't actually say anything of any note, and pretty sure his gravel voice would do me in after a while.

It's that fucking awful raincoat that would do it for me.

(Almost - but not quite - as bad as Owen Coyle's shorts.)

 

[BringBack_leGin]

You mean you don't remember singing 'The man in the raincoat's blue and white arny' with fondness?

 

[Antilokhos]

Top class managers will largely already be managing top class teams.

Sometimes you just need to take a punt on ability over status. That is one thing they do in other countries better than us.

Look at Conte at Juve. He was managing in Serie B last season with Siena.

He has just completed an unbeaten season at Juve.

Probably should have used a better example than a guy now under police investigation for match fixing

 

[Ionman34]

I would have liked Rodgers but I am doubting AVB's man management skills. I think he alienated the players at Chelsea in the same way as Ramos did.

I don't think that is entirely true TBH Loco. There were a number of players who made the point of running over to AVB after scoring (can't remember the match) to display the 'solidarity' when he was under immense pressure. The problem he had was that he alienated the 'old guard' by dropping Fat Fwank and Drogba. He was looking to invigorate a bit too quickly really, despite him telling Abramovich that this is what he would need to do and getting the (alleged) blessing to do so.

I think that if you feel that Rodgers was a good fit for us, and I did/do, then AVB should be viewed in the same light in that his philosophy is very similar. Taking his measure by how he went with Chelsea is, IMO, wrong as it is skewed by the internal politics within the club.

I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we got AVB as I think he'd have far less to do to achieve his desired style, much as many of us have said about BR, with fewer 'old guard' to alienate, if any. Don't get me wrong, I'd still be nervous, much as I would be with BR, as nothing is certain (unless it's TSO). But I still think he'd be a very good fit with our own beliefs on how the game should be played.

 

[Ionman34]

Great its all getting exciting when I won't be here

They do have internet in Miami you know Hots.

 

[Ionman34]

I think it would be Martinez if Harry left.

I wouldn't be against that. I would think he needs a bit of help with identifying the right level of player though.

What, like a decent fuckin' defender?

 

[ravo]

I don't think that is entirely true TBH Loco. There were a number of players who made the point of running over to AVB after scoring (can't remember the match) to display the 'solidarity' when he was under immense pressure. The problem he had was that he alienated the 'old guard' by dropping Fat Fwank and Drogba. He was looking to invigorate a bit too quickly really, despite him telling Abramovich that this is what he would need to do and getting the (alleged) blessing to do so.

I agree with this. I'd like to think that we wouldn't have the same problems with our older guard. Terry, Lampard and Drogba kicked up a real fuss over there. But, let's face it, none of the three have the best reputations, do they?

So, perhaps he could do well. Would he be my first choice? No.

 

[Antilokhos]

I think AVB would be a solid choice if Redknapp actually leaves. Going into Chelsea is always going to be difficult. You know the players are going to do what they want, and your boss is a criminal with no patience. He chased the money and it cost him. If he's learned from his mistakes he could be a great choice for us. He's certainly tactically astute and knowledgeable about the game outside of just the Premier League. I would be very curious to know what he's been up to since leaving Chelsea. Has he been hiding out somewhere or has he been back in the game?

I definitely do not think that Redknapp is the manager to take us forward, but I'm not going to be particularly bothered if he sticks around one more year. I would just prefer to see a long term plan in place, preferably with a tactically astute coach and a well traveled DoF.

 

[spursandbarca]

gabrielle marcotti says avb has been scouting players around europe and in brazil for what ever club he takes over next.

in all seriousness unless we are appointing Pep guardiola, Joachim lowe, jurgen klopp it isnt worth making a change as all the other managers are unproven and would be taking a serious risk. sometimes what you know is better than the unkown.