The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 4th May 2018

[daryl hannah]

Not to mention the players that haven’t and will possibly go the likes of Llorente , Jansen , GKN , CCV , Onomah

And possibly Vorm and Aurier/Trippier.

 

[razzmaster]

Rather than winnners, what we need is match winners, players who will change a game or score out of nothing. We have plenty or players who have won stuff but not many who will do something special when you really need it

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Rather than winnners, what we need is match winners, players who will change a game or score out of nothing. We have plenty or players who have won stuff but not many who will do something special when you really need it

Would Poch actually play such a player? Unless he also had workrate, tackling etc.? There aren’t many of those around, and I don’t see Poch carrying a Gonola type.

No, what we’ll go for is bigger, stronger, busier types.

 

[Monkey boy]

I really hope we don't go for Andre Gomes. He's mediocre at best.

As I’ve never seen him play I read posts like this and think well he can’t be that bad if he plays regularly for Barcelona............. and then I remember Paulinho

 

[Univarn]

As I’ve never seen him play I read posts like this and think well he can’t be that bad if he plays regularly for Barcelona............. and then I remember Paulinho

He doesn't regularly play for Barcelona. I would argue their manager actually goes out of his way to not play him if he can.

 

[Makkaveli101]

You Know what these so called jokes are no longer funny and in fact quite annoying and childish. Get a new script.

It's funny because it's happened before and I don't doubt it could happen again. It's Levy. All you can do is laugh.

 

[JonnySpurs]

As I’ve never seen him play I read posts like this and think well he can’t be that bad if he plays regularly for Barcelona............. and then I remember Paulinho

The funny thing is, most of our fans that are calling him mediocre and saying they don't want him and have likely never seen him play.

If we were being linked with the Valencia version of Andre Gomes the hype would be UNREAL on here. He was running the show for Los Che at the tender age of 20. He was brilliant for them and ya know, that's why you get teams like Barcelona coming in and signing you - it wasn't an accident. That said, it's no secret that he faced an uphill battle to get game time for Barca with Busquets, Iniesta, Rakitic etc playing in CM so yes, he hasn't had a great time but that doesn't suddenly make him shit. Examples closer to home: De Bruyne & Salah at Chelsea compared to City & Liverpool versions.....slightly different.

I've seen him play a lot and he is a very good player. He would absolutely improve our squad. Let's be clear, he's not like Dembele but that's a good thing. He's more similar in style to Winks. He has very good control, skilful but his passing is the best part of his game. Our tempo is one of our biggest problems and he would massively improve that.

The key to this deal though is that he would be very affordable in the same way that Lucas was from PSG. Clearly we need to make some big signings such as Bale or Martial but as Herc has alluded to, we also need to be clever to add quality. Gomes needs a confidence boost and Poch would be the perfect man to get him back to his best. I have no doubts about it.

Hope it happens.

 

[daryl hannah]

The funny thing is, most of our fans that are calling him mediocre and saying they don't want him and have likely never seen him play.

If we were being linked with the Valencia version of Andre Gomes the hype would be UNREAL on here. He was running the show for Los Che at the tender age of 20. He was brilliant for them and ya know, that's why you get teams like Barcelona coming in and signing you - it wasn't an accident. That said, it's no secret that he faced an uphill battle to get game time for Barca with Busquets, Iniesta, Rakitic etc playing in CM so yes, he hasn't had a great time but that doesn't suddenly make him shit. Examples closer to home: De Bruyne & Salah at Chelsea compared to City & Liverpool versions.....slightly different.

I've seen him play a lot and he is a very good player. He would absolutely improve our squad. Let's be clear, he's not like Dembele but that's a good thing. He's more similar in style to Winks. He has very good control, skilful but his passing is the best part of his game. Our tempo is one of our biggest problems and he would massively improve that.

The key to this deal though is that he would be very affordable in the same way that Lucas was from PSG. Clearly we need to make some big signings such as Bale or Martial but as Herc has alluded to, we also need to be clever to add quality. Gomes needs a confidence boost and Poch would be the perfect man to get him back to his best. I have no doubts about it.

Hope it happens.

He is on camera saying he has fallen out of love with football. He doesn't want to play anymore. That is why his performances nosedived at Barca.

It appears from the video that he suffers with depression. I'm not knocking that. I'm saying we can't go spending a vast sum on someone whose head isn't right - for a key position.

I wish him all the best, but feel it's not the right purchase for Spurs.

 

[fatpiranha]

The funny thing is, most of our fans that are calling him mediocre and saying they don't want him and have likely never seen him play.

If we were being linked with the Valencia version of Andre Gomes the hype would be UNREAL on here. He was running the show for Los Che at the tender age of 20. He was brilliant for them and ya know, that's why you get teams like Barcelona coming in and signing you - it wasn't an accident. That said, it's no secret that he faced an uphill battle to get game time for Barca with Busquets, Iniesta, Rakitic etc playing in CM so yes, he hasn't had a great time but that doesn't suddenly make him shit. Examples closer to home: De Bruyne & Salah at Chelsea compared to City & Liverpool versions.....slightly different.

I've seen him play a lot and he is a very good player. He would absolutely improve our squad. Let's be clear, he's not like Dembele but that's a good thing. He's more similar in style to Winks. He has very good control, skilful but his passing is the best part of his game. Our tempo is one of our biggest problems and he would massively improve that.

The key to this deal though is that he would be very affordable in the same way that Lucas was from PSG. Clearly we need to make some big signings such as Bale or Martial but as Herc has alluded to, we also need to be clever to add quality. Gomes needs a confidence boost and Poch would be the perfect man to get him back to his best. I have no doubts about it.

Hope it happens.

He's not the Valencia version though is he? I call him 'mediocre' because i've watched him play on numerous occasions and cannot remember ever thinking that I would like Spurs to sign him. Sometimes players who look great at 20 just don't progress and fulfill their potential and sometimes they are just overhyped in the first place.

Andre Gomes is a player who doesn't score, doesn't assist, doesn't tackle, but is very good at making short sideways passes i.e. the sort of player who makes me scream at the television like a demented fury "Get that useless **** off the pitch!"

 

[MyNameIsNicolaBerti]

He's not the Valencia version though is he? I call him 'mediocre' because i've watched him play on numerous occasions and cannot remember ever thinking that I would like Spurs to sign him. Sometimes players who look great at 20 just don't progress and fulfill their potential and sometimes they are just overhyped in the first place.

Andre Gomes is a player who doesn't score, doesn't assist, doesn't tackle, but is very good at making short sideways passes i.e. the sort of player who makes me scream at the television like a demented fury "Get that useless **** off the pitch!"

Sounds like a good fit for Arsenal...

 

[Insomnia]

Hasn’t Hercules literally just told us that he 99% isn’t coming back?

So he's saying there's a chance

 

[JonnySpurs]

He's not the Valencia version though is he? I call him 'mediocre' because i've watched him play on numerous occasions and cannot remember ever thinking that I would like Spurs to sign him. Sometimes players who look great at 20 just don't progress and fulfill their potential and sometimes they are just overhyped in the first place.

Andre Gomes is a player who doesn't score, doesn't assist, doesn't tackle, but is very good at making short sideways passes i.e. the sort of player who makes me scream at the television like a demented fury "Get that useless **** off the pitch!"

The only reason he's not that player is because he hasn't been given the opportunity to be that player. Again, I'll use Salah and De Bruyne as examples. Both very good players before they went to Chelsea but did nothing at that club through lack of playing time and being poorly handled by the manager. Both went away, reignited their careers in Italy and Germany respectively and have come back to make Chelsea fans sick as dogs and made Mourinho look a fool.

You seem to accept that the Valencia version of him was a better player than we've seen briefly at Barca so surely you can agree that he has the potential to rediscover that form and ultimately become an ever better version of that player in the same way that KDB and Salah have done.

For the record he does a LOT more than just make short sideways passes otherwise what you've been watching isn't the same thing I've been watching. Equally the stat sheet doesn't always reflect the quality of the player, never has this been more apparent with two of the best CM's Spurs have had in recent years in Dembele and Modric. In the position he plays, Gomes could have a massive impact on our tempo and how we setup, if you can't see that or want to just deny it because you don't rate the player then there's nothing further for us to discuss.

 

[fatpiranha]

The only reason he's not that player is because he hasn't been given the opportunity to be that player. Again, I'll use Salah and De Bruyne as examples. Both very good players before they went to Chelsea but did nothing at that club through lack of playing time and being poorly handled by the manager. Both went away, reignited their careers in Italy and Germany respectively and have come back to make Chelsea fans sick as dogs and made Mourinho look a fool.

You seem to accept that the Valencia version of him was a better player than we've seen briefly at Barca so surely you can agree that he has the potential to rediscover that form and ultimately become an ever better version of that player in the same way that KDB and Salah have done.

For the record he does a LOT more than just make short sideways passes otherwise what you've been watching isn't the same thing I've been watching. Equally the stat sheet doesn't always reflect the quality of the player, never has this been more apparent with two of the best CM's Spurs have had in recent years in Dembele and Modric. In the position he plays, Gomes could have a massive impact on our tempo and how we setup, if you can't see that or want to just deny it because you don't rate the player then there's nothing further for us to discuss.

We obviously have different opinions. A lot of the games i've watched Gomes in are for Portugal and to say I don't rate him is an understatement . Comparing him to Salah, KDB, Modric and Dembele really isn't making your argument any more convincing. Of course some players reignite their careers and some players are unappreciated for what they bring but a lot more players do not reignite their careers and a lot more are unappreciated because they're actually a bit pony. For me Gomes is in the latter category. You feel differently. Fair enough .

 

[Insomnia]

We obviously have different opinions. A lot of the games i've watched Gomes in are for Portugal and to say I don't rate him is an understatement . Comparing him to Salah, KDB, Modric and Dembele really isn't making your argument any more convincing. Of course some players reignite their careers and some players are unappreciated for what they bring but a lot more players do not reignite their careers and a lot more are unappreciated because they're actually a bit pony. For me Gomes is in the latter category. You feel differently. Fair enough .

He sounds like a perfect signing, for West Ham

 

[JonnySpurs]

We obviously have different opinions. A lot of the games i've watched Gomes in are for Portugal and to say I don't rate him is an understatement . Comparing him to Salah, KDB, Modric and Dembele really isn't making your argument any more convincing. Of course some players reignite their careers and some players are unappreciated for what they bring but a lot more players do not reignite their careers and a lot more are unappreciated because they're actually a bit pony. For me Gomes is in the latter category. You feel differently. Fair enough .

Come on dude, you know I was making comparisons of situations rather than how the players stack up talent wise.

I haven't watched him for Portugal but frankly most international football is pretty boring I find so I wouldn't expect him to stand out with their play style.

You're absolutely entitled to not rate the player, that's fine but for those that know nothing about him I simply wanted to offer an alternative view. I can see us signing him because the link keeps coming up, there's ITK to support those links and it feels like it would work well financially. Do I think it would be a bit of gamble, yes probably, but then most signings are a bit of a gamble at the prices we're having to pay.

Ultimately though I believe he has the talent to be a very good player again, he's 24 and Poch could be the perfect manager to help him realise his potential.

 

[dovahkiin]

ali z
on bale: I can confirm that he was keen on returning to us after Madrid ( agent info)
not sure why its past tense

on martial: Doubt they will sell to us, trying to offload him abroad.
first part obviously opinion, dunno about the 2nd part

 

[Hercules]

ali z
on bale: I can confirm that he was keen on returning to us after Madrid ( agent info)
not sure why its past tense

on martial: Doubt they will sell to us, trying to offload him abroad.
first part obviously opinion, dunno about the 2nd part

I have addressed in detail the Bale situation. Martial was extremely very close to joining last summer, and we are talking. He wants to stay in EPL, di possible. But I won’t be as brave as HY calling this one.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

What I don't get re the Bale info, is why he really wants to stay. RM very rarely change their mind on a player and it does seem as though they have had enough of him. Saying that, he did start against Barca on the weekend. But really, apart from the excellent goal he was poor. I'm not surprised Madrid want rid, I am surprised Bale wants to stay

 

[Hercules]

What I don't get re the Bale info, is why he really wants to stay. RM very rarely change their mind on a player and it does seem as though they have had enough of him. Saying that, he did start against Barca on the weekend. But really, apart from the excellent goal he was poor. I'm not surprised Madrid want rid, Ian surprised Bale wants to stay

RM wants to shift him to bring another galatico in. They know he would prefer us. We have a very FIRM SET FIRST REFUSAL. Issue is he does not want to leave, and his contract (not wages) puts him in a very strong position. Thanks to his agents brilliant piece of business. They are to be applauded.

 

[rawhide]

Ahhhh.... it’s good to be back, and I didn’t really want to do any work until August anyway.

I seem to recall some ITK suggested that we’d make a special signing to mark the opening of our new stadium.

I like the names being talked about by the lovely ITKs...