The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 5th June

[werty]

Unpredictability is just a nice way of saying inconsistent and unreliable. You know who our most predictable players are? Eriksen and Kane.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

about the 3rd choice CD- isn't Foyth ready or nearing first team duties yet?

That’s a whole other discussion, and certainly one worth having, but I wouldn’t bring it into the ITK thread or A&C will probably have kittens and we would probably loose our privileges.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Toby news really does make you wonder, have we grown to the point now where players aren't convinced Utd is a step up? Were the wages on offer not much different to ours after all?

Did he not expect all of Kane, Eriksen, Dele and Poch to stay and get big pay hikes?

Is the new stadium and our superb facilities making players think twice about leaving?

Pretty damn cool when you think about it!

 

[PhezTHFC]

I feel a little concerned that our two priority signings are a, most likely, third choice CD and wide forward. Granted, we need a replacement for Llorente and Martial would be a good one, and obviously De Ligt would be a good, all be it very expensive, young third choice cd. But really I still feel our number one priority with a bullit should be a CM.

Why are they priority? Some signings are quicker to be completed than others as ITK have stated regarding world cup players are waiting and any other positions we want to fill maybe reliant on that. So just because we sign other positions first doesn't mean others aren't a priority

 

[Finchyid]

I feel a little concerned that our two priority signings are a, most likely, third choice CD and wide forward. Granted, we need a replacement for Llorente and Martial would be a good one, and obviously De Ligt would be a good, all be it very expensive, young third choice cd. But really I still feel our number one priority with a bullit should be a CM.

I am not entirely sure you can say De Ligt would be 3rd choice! We have 2 exceptional defenders but he would push dav for a place or poch will want to play 3 at back

 

[stevenurse]

As someone who had a son just over 16 months ago and called him Toby. I'd hate the thought of associating the name with a money grabbing **** who tried to mug off Poch, Levy and the whole club for a few more quid.

He's too young to know what his name is and I guess Heung Min will do instead...

On a serious note, I'd love for them to work it out. If not, then the ONLY acceptable compromise is to get our number 1 target. Period. No plan B's etc. If De Ligt is the man they are hell bent on, then get him. Don't sell Toby, miss out on De Ligt and end up with some 2nd rate stopgap. Ask the question and if De Ligt won't happen. Get Toby signed up ASAP and use the 50m on a top, top drawer centre midfielder to replace Dembele

 

[dricha1]

I’m sure should Toby have a good World Cup, there will be options other than United for him.

Does seem silly not to tie him down though, and spend the money elsewhere in the team... but then you can’t go against Poch sticking to his guns....

 

[ravo]

Interesting ITK re Toby. I'm all in favour of us saying "you had your chance, you were a dick about it, now fuck off!". That is fine. HOWEVER - it appears that this is mainly due to his dad (and greedy **** agent). So, if Toby did apologise and promise to keep his Richard Williams-esque dick father away from any further dealings with the club (and possibly change his agent), then there is probably a chance to reconcile. It may be slim, but also worth a try, as it would save us bedding another CB in. That said, we should still buy de Ligt, as we need 4 top CBs.

Super optimistic early morning post.

 

[Majick]

Well, it's not often I get one right (and I'm not ITK in any way) but I said a few days back that Alderweireld coudl end up with a new deal at a lower rate than previously offered.

I cerainly don't want to lose him, so if we have the chance I hope we do extend the deal. If we're making major changes elsewhere in the team, we don't suffer for keeping him in terms of squad consistency.

 

[Finchyid]

So this is what Toby meant with his words today, he wants to stay & it's us who are actively selling him (!!!)

Pretty easy to say that when you have screwed up and then blame someone else.

For me the toby ship has sailed, earlier comments from herc said the truth will come out, i cannot see Poch taking a u turn, when hes be quoted with words like loyalty. If he goes to Utd so be it, getting De ligt is a must

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

It’s never fucking smooth sailing, is it? Every window has more twists than a Bill Hayley revival

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I am not entirely sure you can say De Ligt would be 3rd choice! We have 2 exceptional defenders but he would push dav for a place or poch will want to play 3 at back

Because in my opinion I don’t think he is as good as current CBs and will take some time before he gets to their level. One has to remember Sanchez had to step up fast due to Toby’s injury, if Toby doesn’t get injured then Sanchez might have taken the whole season to get up to speed, if not longer. If De Ligt comes in He probably won’t get the same game time Sanchez did, and we still have Foyth in the mix. Personally I don’t see how De Ligt is on the same level as Sanchez, yes he has huge potential, but he has done nothing to be considered better or on par with Dav. Obviously the three at the back idea makes sense, but we have no idea if Poch sees that as our future.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Unpredictability is just a nice way of saying inconsistent and unreliable. You know who our most predictable players are? Eriksen and Kane.

I feel like you are talking about unpredictability as a type of individual player trait, whereas the point in hand seems to be the overall teams unpredictability for the opposition, by making sure we have personnel with differing qualities.

This can only be a good thing

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Why are they priority? Some signings are quicker to be completed than others as ITK have stated regarding world cup players are waiting and any other positions we want to fill maybe reliant on that. So just because we sign other positions first doesn't mean others aren't a priority

Because Herc said
“We know our 2 priority signings we are trying hard to do (Martial & Lgit), but not totally in our hands.”
Sounds to me they are top of the list.

 

[Twizzle]

That's THREE posts I've had to delete asking ITK questions.

It's obvious a number of you still haven't read the rules. Fine. Don't bother. I'll be back in a couple of hours to ban the next few simpletons.

Nighty night.

sweet dreams

what are you wearing ?

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Definitely some back peddling going on with Toby, not sure it will make any difference but we will have to see.

In my head now all I’m seeing is a backpeddling race between Toby and the posters that asked ITKs questions and got A&C chasing them with some kind of stick

 

[werty]

I feel like you are talking about unpredictability as a type of individual player trait, whereas the point in hand seems to be the overall teams unpredictability for the opposition, by making sure we have personnel with differing qualities.

This can only be a good thing

We have plenty who can do that already. There's been plenty of games this season where we've changed formation in games. Give me a excellent player who can only play in one or two positions over a "meh" player, as Hercules put it, who can play in multiple. We don't need to sign average players to make our play more unpredictable, which is overrated in the first place.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Because in my opinion I don’t think he is as good as two CBs and will take some tim before he gets to their current level. One has to remover Sanchez had to step up fast due to Toby’s injury, if Toby doesn’t get injured then Sanchez might have taken the whole season to get up to speed. Obviously the three at the back idea makes sense, but we have no idea if Poch sees that as our future.

I think you are right about Sanchez, a factor in Toby not coming back could well be because Poch is well in on the Sanchez train.

Spoiler: Reasons why

He adds power, heading ability and exceptional recovery pace, which are extremely valuable. He's still a bit raw but getting there fast. Some could say a better defender reads the danger and doesn't need that pace but that's not always possible in a high line.

I think we'll use 3 at the back at times but not every single week. Doesn't mesh well with the current targets if we are planning on going back 3 all of the time.

We do need a 3rd top class CB regardless though, which De Ligt would be if/when Toby goes. Last season proved having top drawer back up stops a bad injury derailing a season.

 

[sausage]

I don't know if the TA situation is independent of Ligt, but I would suspect one follows the other.

If so, I can only imagine us reopening talks with TA if the Ligt deal fails to happen - seems like we've spent all season getting ready to replace him, and I can't imagine the club/MP would want to cancel the plans to bring in a young, highly regarded CB. I also can't see us having space for another, without TA going. Not without upsetting the apple cart, regarding Foyth, anyway.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I think you are right about Sanchez, a factor in Toby not coming back could well be because Poch is well in on the Sanchez train.

Spoiler: Reasons why

He adds power, heading ability and exceptional recovery pace, which are extremely valuable. He's still a bit raw but getting there fast. Some could say a better defender reads the danger and doesn't need that pace but that's not always possible in a high line.

I think we'll use 3 at the back at times but not every single week. Doesn't mesh well with the current targets if we are planning on going back 3 all of the time.

We do need a 3rd top class CB regardless though, which De Ligt would be if/when Toby goes. Last season proved having top drawer back up stops a bad injury derailing a season.

Oh I agree and I’m certainly not against De Ligt, I just don’t think he would be our second choice CB, not for a long while. He would be my choice for a replacement for Toby and I would be very happy to get him, although I must say the rumoured price is crazy. The thought that we might spend, most likely, an odd 100 mil on a CD and a WF when we really desperately need at least one, if not two, seriously good CMs does worry me, but I understand, De Ligt and Martial are deals that don’t come around very often. I just hope we don’t priorities them above a high caliber central mid and end up having to cut corners.