The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 6th January 2015

[eViL]

I'm hoping with Mitchell was already scouting a list of replacements for Schneiderlin should he

I'm hoping that Mitchell had already developed a substantial list of replacements should schneiderlin had left last summer. He's certainly looking like the real deal now but I can't accept he's the only player we can find to improve us with similar attributes, after all that's why we poached Mitchell in the first place?

Maybe Mitchell identified that there was no better player in Schneiderlin's position and that's why they refused to sell?

 

[DaSpurs]

i think, or pehaps rather hope, those taking the trouble to agree with you are jumping onbthe Dembele is lethargic bandwagon? He has been full of energy and progressive in our last two games. i agree he has an annoying lack of vision and passing range, but his other strengths compensate for that. He can beat a man and strike a ball, thats my logic. more than you can say for either Ade or Solly.

Beg to differ on Harry. Why do you say hes not creative? If we ha d players running past him a la Mason v United hes plenty creative. Have you seen him play behind Bera for the u21s or behind a big man?

Bentekes off a long break but Villa really are shite, and play like the away team even at home. i think hed be great for us.

How many goals we scored in the league this season?

Dembele's lethargy is a bandwagon trait to notice? Christ man, my little sister who have up the game at 10 could beat him to a 50/50 ball. I honestly cannot believe I'd even need to defend such a stance. He can strike the ball? Give me one vid of him actually lifting the ball off the ground while at Spurs on a strike. Pathetic for such a big man.

In Kane's performances of creativity, you'll note the similarity that they are all games in which the opposition actually came at Kane's side and have him space. With Spurs against the smaller sides, most will hunker down immediately and compact as soon as possible because they know how easily it befuddles us due to our lack of space creation from deep. Kane can certainly thread a pass on the trot in the open well enough, but he is not the type who can pick the lock against a compacted box or orchestrate enough movement to manipulate channels. What he can do in those situations is create space for himself to have a go on goal, a trait of a No 9.

 

[UncleFool]

I ask this with naive openness but is Danny Ings actually any good? I’m not wholly convinced and, though I share the point of view that we need greater potency from our forward options, is Ings the man?

His record this season, in a struggling side, is decent. But he’s only played half a season in the top flight and, though right now he looks this business, we all know how streaky strikers can be. His 1 in 3 goal record is, mostly, outside the top flight and there are a number of other forwards who have boasted similarly impressive records only to falter when they hit the big-time. And a move to us would constitute Ings hitting the big-time.
I’ll happily be proved wrong and will shout and cheer with the rest should Ings, in our colours, score a bucket-load, but I’d be tempted to keep an eye on him and see what he’s like when he’s not bulging the net. Goals gloss over defects in forwards. I’m no expert but I’d welcome discussion on Ings’ build-up qualities, his general attitude and his goals to chances ratio.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Dembele's lethargy is a bandwagon trait to notice? Christ man, my little sister who have up the game at 10 could beat him to a 50/50 ball. I honestly cannot believe I'd even need to defend such a stance. He can strike the ball? Give me one vid of him actually lifting the ball off the ground while at Spurs on a strike. Pathetic for such a big man.

In Kane's performances of creativity, you'll note the similarity that they are all games in which the opposition actually came at Kane's side and have him space. With Spurs against the smaller sides, most will hunker down immediately and compact as soon as possible because they know how easily it befuddles us due to our lack of space creation from deep. Kane can certainly thread a pass on the trot in the open well enough, but he is not the type who can pick the lock against a compacted box or orchestrate enough movement to manipulate channels. What he can do in those situations is create space for himself to have a go on goal, a trait of a No 9.

Sunderland away this season when he smashed it against the post and was our best player on the park

 

[DaSpurs]

Sunderland away this season when he smashed it against the post and was our best player on the park

Exciting, but he didn't manage to control possession in that one enough did he? He offers no penetration or guile whatsoever, and now he can barely defend. Handsome fella who I'm sure we'd all love to have a smoke with, but I've had more than enough of his lack of pace, movement, and lack of ideas to compensate. These lumps who are not mobile or dynamic enough to open smaller sides up, but also not defensively sound enough to prevent us from being scored upon (the physical presence that is Dembele has managed to lose more tackles than he's won this season), are currently holding our progression hostage. Our midfield needs some serious improvement if we're to push on in the near future.

 

[ever]

really? this thread has managed to turn into the merits or demerits of moussa dembele ?

take it to his thread/spurs chat, basically anywhere but here

 

[DaSpurs]

really? this thread has managed to turn into the merits or demerits of moussa dembele ?

take it to his thread/spurs chat, basically anywhere but here

In the last line it was brought 'round to relevance, but fair enough I'm done with the conversation.

 

[ever]

In the last line it was brought 'round to relevance, but fair enough I'm done with the conversation.

no it dosent, not at any point has your postings had anything to do with ITK

 

[spurs9]

Isn't it a squad game nowadays?

We need more than starting XI players.

Absolutely, I was just referring to our strongest team and it was in response to a poster saying he thinks we are buying Ings to play with and in front of Kane.

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

Exciting, but he didn't manage to control possession in that one enough did he? He offers no penetration or guile whatsoever, and now he can barely defend. Handsome fella who I'm sure we'd all love to have a smoke with, but I've had more than enough of his lack of pace, movement, and lack of ideas to compensate. These lumps who are not mobile or dynamic enough to open smaller sides up, but also not defensively sound enough to prevent us from being scored upon (the physical presence that is Dembele has managed to lose more tackles than he's won this season), are currently holding our progression hostage. Our midfield needs some serious improvement if we're to push on in the near future.

The same player that came on against Chelsea and was excellent in our best performance for a long long time ? The same guy pardew said he had to change the shape and the personnel at half time because "he was bossing our midfield" not bad for the last two games from moussa that. When the opposing manager is changing systems and players because of you , you know your doing ok.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

In the last line it was brought 'round to relevance, but fair enough I'm done with the conversation.

Good effort

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

is Danny Ings actually any good? .

"Good" is always a comparative concept. Thus, when you ask, are you in your mind comparing to Kane, or Soldado or Adebayor? Woops, I'm out of present Spurs-alternatives....

 

[DaSpurs]

The same player that came on against Chelsea and was excellent in our best performance for a long long time ? The same guy pardew said he had to change the shape and the personnel at half time because "he was bossing our midfield" not bad for the last two games from moussa that. When the opposing manager is changing systems and players because of you , you know your doing ok.

We'll continue in the "midfielders" thread.

 

[PhezTHFC]

Ings would satisfy me but I don't believe he is what we need long term. Would he frighten other defenders no. Am not saying we need a big name but I think it's too soon to say he is what we require. I will whole heartedly cheer and support him and am not after a big name either I just want someone that we know will score at the higher level even Hernandez would suffice(please don't discuss him using it as an example).

I like naughton but we need the space and there are others better than him now

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Dembele's lethargy is a bandwagon trait to notice? Christ man, my little sister who have up the game at 10 could beat him to a 50/50 ball. I honestly cannot believe I'd even need to defend such a stance. He can strike the ball? Give me one vid of him actually lifting the ball off the ground while at Spurs on a strike. Pathetic for such a big man.

In Kane's performances of creativity, you'll note the similarity that they are all games in which the opposition actually came at Kane's side and have him space. With Spurs against the smaller sides, most will hunker down immediately and compact as soon as possible because they know how easily it befuddles us due to our lack of space creation from deep. Kane can certainly thread a pass on the trot in the open well enough, but he is not the type who can pick the lock against a compacted box or orchestrate enough movement to manipulate channels. What he can do in those situations is create space for himself to have a go on goal, a trait of a No 9.

I would bet he wins more 50/50s than the majority of our team. I'm really not sure where you're getting that from, maybe we can get your sister in the team. I cut dembele a bit of slack because I love him as a pure footballer. He's got faults obviously but so have virtually every one of our players. He's got a physical presence and the ability to take the ball under pressure and not get flustered. For me anyway that's quite an important Ability. The fashionable thing on here now seems to be getting rid of the ball early but unless you have the ability/confidence to take the ball under pressure, be able to manipulate, have it run across you're body etc and face the opposition the early balls will just end up passes/hospital balls back to where it came from and you just always end up playing the way your facing. Early balls are great but only if you have the ability to open up the pitch. I like mason and bentaleb but I'm yet convinced they can really do that

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Ings would satisfy me but I don't believe he is what we need long term. Would he frighten other defenders no. Am not saying we need a big name but I think it's too soon to say he is what we require. I will whole heartedly cheer and support him and am not after a big name either I just want someone that we know will score at the higher level even Hernandez would suffice(please don't discuss him using it as an example).

I like naughton but we need the space and there are others better than him now

What use is there in having someone who has scored at the highest level if they're not going to fit in Pochettino's style (e.g. Soldado). I know you said don't discuss him, but Hernandez really is a bad example to use.

 

[Hoopspur]

Ings would satisfy me but I don't believe he is what we need long term. Would he frighten other defenders no. Am not saying we need a big name but I think it's too soon to say he is what we require. I will whole heartedly cheer and support him and am not after a big name either I just want someone that we know will score at the higher level even Hernandez would suffice(please don't discuss him using it as an example).

I like naughton but we need the space and there are others better than him now

Well he put the frighteners on our 2 CH's in the league game at WHL. Not sure whether you were there to see? Caused all sorts of problems for them - I appreciate he didn't score but was fast, direct and very hard working. First time I've seen him in the flesh (ooh err) but was impressed. Would fit Poch's work ethics perfectly. I believe he will be a good PL striker in the next few years and we should snap him up if we can. Will he play Wednesday or will the clubs use the fixture for a face to face about any deal?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Hernandez please don't discuss him.

Agreed. Let's not discuss him.

 

[DiamondLites]

We have tried to go down the marquee signing route and it never ends well. I'm more than happy for players to be recruited because they possess the traits required to make the 'system' work effectively as opposed to going for big names and shoe horning them into a style that doesn't bring out their best abilities

 

[Insomnia]

Where's the itk discussion thread gone?