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Indisguise

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if the selling team move the goal post asking for higher prices then surely Poch knows how far we can go on the budget. we can't force teams to sell at the price we believed they where available at.




I really can understand the frustration, but can't understand how people expect us to spend 50m+ more than we have budgeted for. we have lost out on Sessegnon because Fulham got promoted, we have lost out on de Ligt because Ajax want nearer 70m compared to the 40-50 we thought/hoped, I saw rumours Martial for 60m, now if they sell they are looking at 70+, and early rumours had Pulsic with a release clause 45?, and they are asking for 70.

stop going into meltdown people, not just you dillspur. we heard we had £150m to spend at the start, yet every target that has been mentioned have had their price head way above, and we are no way in a position to buy them at the now prices
Some of our targets are just like will-o'-the-wisp. No matter how close we get, we never seem to be able to catch them.
 

Lighty64

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Some of our targets are just like will-o'-the-wisp. No matter how close we get, we never seem to be able to catch them.

as I said in the post you quoted, we have a budget, if the players we are after all of a sudden become much more expensive, we can't compete especially if we require a certain amount of players to replace out goings.
 

Dillspur

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I expect you would, but Poch might feel we need 4 positions covered which then leaves us in a position of not being able to buy the other 2 because you spent it on quality.

You think he would prefer quantity over quality? If so then I would start to worry.

I will not pass judgment until the window closes, but i can't imagine Poch will be happy if we end up with fillers.
 

lazypoodle

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You think he would prefer quantity over quality? If so then I would start to worry.

I will not pass judgment until the window closes, but i can't imagine Poch will be happy if we end up with fillers.

If you look at the last three seasons, if we took more points on non-Top 6 teams we would have two titles right now. Many of those games were lost or drawn due to lack of tactical flexibility or depth in the face of injuries. Our starting XI can take down Real Madrid. That's not our problem. Our problem is when we hit a slump and need to grind out points against the mediocre teams and deal with the stretches where a key player is injured.

As such, I think depth is the most impactful way to spend money on the squad right now. As much as I would love a huge marquee signing, that just means we're one ACL away from throwing our whole summer transfer window in the bin.
 

Ekmek

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If you look at the last three seasons, if we took more points on non-Top 6 teams we would have two titles right now. Many of those games were lost or drawn due to lack of tactical flexibility or depth in the face of injuries. Our starting XI can take down Real Madrid. That's not our problem. Our problem is when we hit a slump and need to grind out points against the mediocre teams and deal with the stretches where a key player is injured.

As such, I think depth is the most impactful way to spend money on the squad right now. As much as I would love a huge marquee signing, that just means we're one ACL away from throwing our whole summer transfer window in the bin.

Well many of those games we lost against teams in the lower region of the table were because of there defence beeing all 11 men playing defence deep in to there own side. What we need in those cases are players with very much individual skill that can get trough that with intelligence and technique. Look at the teams that win titles they have those skills to break through an parked buss. And those kind of players cost money alot of money.
 

HildoSpur

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If you look at the last three seasons, if we took more points on non-Top 6 teams we would have two titles right now. Many of those games were lost or drawn due to lack of tactical flexibility or depth in the face of injuries. Our starting XI can take down Real Madrid. That's not our problem. Our problem is when we hit a slump and need to grind out points against the mediocre teams and deal with the stretches where a key player is injured.

As such, I think depth is the most impactful way to spend money on the squad right now. As much as I would love a huge marquee signing, that just means we're one ACL away from throwing our whole summer transfer window in the bin.
But our first team isn't good enough to win the league if we are brutally honest. We do need to make a couple of serious signings to go up a level as a side. The ITK suggests Levy and Poch know that.
 

Trix

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Targets haven't changed!!!!!

Some of you have to remember the list has more than just a couple of players on it though, so panicking because a certain player is not coming is pointless. We will have made interest known to agents for a number of players, and just because they have hit the press it does not mean they were necessarily the #1 target, it just means that someone has spilled the beans. I will add to that there are names that have not hit the media yet.:sneaky:

I will spell it out again, there is better value in the back end of the window, which is where we will do the bulk of our business. The world cup and agents/selling clubs are jostling for position, and getting players in now means massively over paying which will have a knock on effect to anything else we do. Levy does not and will not operate this way.

IF players can be brought in early they will, but apart from Grealish I am not hearing anything is close, but hey that is how I was told it was going to pan out from the off, so as far as I'm hearing everything is still on track. (y)
 

Japhet

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I expect you would, but Poch might feel we need 4 positions covered which then leaves us in a position of not being able to buy the other 2 because you spent it on quality.

Where would we need 4 players though? Toby, Llorente and Dembele might move on and would need replacing (and hopefully Sissoko), but in players like Foyth, Walker-Peters, Moura, Lamela and others in the pipeline like Oakley-Booth, we have quite a lot of depth/options. Grealish, IMO, would add a lot of depth on his own and cover a couple of key areas.
 

dagraham

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Targets haven't changed!!!!!

Some of you have to remember the list has more than just a couple of players on it though, so panicking because a certain player is not coming is pointless. We will have made interest known to agents for a number of players, and just because they have hit the press it does not mean they were necessarily the #1 target, it just means that someone has spilled the beans. I will add to that there are names that have not hit the media yet.:sneaky:

I will spell it out again, there is better value in the back end of the window, which is where we will do the bulk of our business. The world cup and agents/selling clubs are jostling for position, and getting players in now means massively over paying which will have a knock on effect to anything else we do. Levy does not and will not operate this way.

IF players can be brought in early they will, but apart from Grealish I am not hearing anything is close, but hey that is how I was told it was going to pan out from the off, so as far as I'm hearing everything is still on track. (y)

I am not as hung up on getting players in early as others. It would be great if we could, but I’m more concerned with who we sign, rather than when we sign them.

I really want us to buy some creative players this window, rather than athletes, which is why I’m quite pleased about Grealish and not so pleased with the Barrios link because we just don’t need that type of player imo.

And my only real concern about timings is if we end up panic buying late on like we did with Sissoko.
 

mmillerlight

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I am not as hung up on getting players in early as others. It would be great if we could, but I’m more concerned with who we sign, rather than when we sign them.

I really want us to buy some creative players this window, rather than athletes, which is why I’m quite pleased about Grealish and not so pleased with the Barrios link because we just don’t need that type of player imo.

And my only real concern about timings is if we end up panic buying late on like we did with Sissoko.
When we do not get players in early all we do is say they need a full pre season to get up to Pochs methods.
 

dagraham

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When we do not get players in early all we do is say they need a full pre season to get up to Pochs methods.

Yeah I agree it’s important, but I’d still rather sign a better player at the end of the window than an inferior one a month before.
 

SpartanSpur

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Would you rather wait and hopefully get the players we want, or give a full pre season to anyone who may be easily available early on?

Totally agree with this. Even more so now the window closes before the first PL game. Especially in a preseason that is disrupted by the world cup too. Get the right players. Now is the time to get the best we can.
 

mmillerlight

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Would you rather wait and hopefully get the players we want, or give a full pre season to anyone who may be easily available early on?
I think it’s something the club really need to consider and evaluate. If we buy the better player late and he can’t get used to Pochs conditioning or methods then is he still the better player? Perhaps the following season, yet we all know examples of players who were bought late or in jan who were unable to give an immediate impact at the desired level. Then you need to consider how this effects our points at the end, not to mention high wages for a year when the player has not been such an asset on the field for us. We’re talking small margins, maybe we buy less players or less costly early in specific cases. Obviously Poch already knows this.
 

Trix

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I think it’s something the club really need to consider and evaluate. If we buy the better player late and he can’t get used to Pochs conditioning or methods then is he still the better player? Perhaps the following season, yet we all know examples of players who were bought late or in jan who were unable to give an immediate impact at the desired level. Then you need to consider how this effects our points at the end, not to mention high wages for a year when the player has not been such an asset on the field for us. We’re talking small margins, maybe we buy less players or less costly early in specific cases. Obviously Poch already knows this.

We have bought in inferior players like this before and what happens? They don't get picked and are sold or loaned the following season and we are still looking to fill the void. Financial constraints mean it is what it is.
 
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wrd

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Would you rather wait and hopefully get the players we want, or give a full pre season to anyone who may be easily available early on?

Best players we have signed recently are Son and Sanchez who were both late on
 

mmillerlight

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We have bought in inferior players like this before and what happens? They don't get picked and are sold or loaned the following season and we are still looking to fill the void. Financial constrains mean it is what it is.
I completely get this which is why I didn’t throw in why don’t we just do what city do. Generally I’m on board with our transfer tactics. Im just pointing out to another poster that it can be quite valuable getting a player in early.
 
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