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Waxman

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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, and its not strictly itk but....

Kane has been picked for the nextgen squad this season, they have fixtures on 22nd august and early Sept, so I guess that rules him out of our back up striker position...
 

etchedchaos

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There are a lot of new members saying similar things.

"I can't believe we haven't learnt our lessons about signing players early ..."

If they're not available, you can't sign them. No matter how much we want to. I find it terribly annoying that it's perceived as ALWAYS OUR FAULT. Because more often than not, it isn't.

We've signed one of Europe's most sought after defenders to sure up our centre halves. We need a centre forward and the names that are being looked at are obviously taking time.

Just have some fucking patience will you? Just let it play out. THEN start casting aspersions and theories.

Let's be honest Stoof being a Spurs supporter means putting up with alot of melodrama from other fans. It was this bad during the Vertonghen saga and that had absolutely nothing to do with us. Hell, if we had signed all our targets before preseason training I've no doubt there'd be mass panic about some glaring new hole that had recently surfaced.
 

Kingellesar

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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, and its not strictly itk but....

Kane has been picked for the nextgen squad this season, they have fixtures on 22nd august and early Sept, so I guess that rules him out of our back up striker position...

Good spot, guess that means he won't be sitting on the bench. Any other youngsters who went to America in it?
 

Mr Pink

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Mancini was there watching yesterday. Concerning

That's probably why they've produced the article, in fact I would say that;s definitely the reason. They're just speculating....without thinking - fail, daily fail.
 

SpurSince57

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You didn't really.

We have yet to achieve outright CL qualification. We have made the qualifying round once. That meant we couldn't even budget for being in the CL because we may have been knocked out before we even made the group stage (we nearly were) - not that making the CL outright once would make a lot of difference because contracts last 4/5 years normally, so you can't make a plethora of big commitment signings based on one years projected revenue.

You also seem to ignore the fact that Redknapp spent over 100m in his first three/four windows and largely bought a bunch of players who were decent but limited. Nearly 50m went on Keane, Defoe and Crouch for example. Meaning not just transfer cash, but also a lot wages were tied up.

It seems a shame to contradict you when we've been agreeing so much lately, but unless my sums are very badly wrong he spent not much more than £100m in his entire tenure:

http://www.topspurs.com/thfc-transfers.htm

The bulk was in the first couple of windows, but I defy anyone to disentangle our financial relationship with Pompey; how likely is it that we'd have seen the money they owed us? It's unlikely we'd have re-signed Keane had Defoe not got injured five minutes after we re-signed him, and we basically wrote off money we hadn't seen from the Scousers. Crouch was about as good as we could have got three years ago.

The first paragraph I do agree with.
 

HappySpur

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Im surprised we havent learnt from previous transfer windows by getting most of our business done before the 1st game of the season. 3 games and a possible easier 9 point haul if we had everything done prior to those games.

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Saying that the transfer window is quite slow anyway.


Honestly as much as I fret, this window will go down in history as the middle point between two eras I think.

The free wheel spending is dying out and you have the few manufactured clubs in Chelsea and PSG sinking their teeth into that bloated carcass as it gets dragged away by a combination of false threats by a spineless Frenchman and the more austere threats of economic hardship. Banks aren't lending freely, so it's hard to get cash for deals. This means very structured ones and even then, they can't be outrageous. It takes everyone ages to get anything done. I think the reason Germany is the only country that is still active, is that thier infrastructure is built around cheap buys, complex structuring of deals and finishing them before the season begins. And that's the new era: lower prices, many payments, perhaps player swaps. And everybody wants to buy in that era and sell in the previous. We are just as guilty as anybody. And this will be the summer we look back upon and go...."oh that's why"

Sucks. But it's the reality. And to Levy's credit, he has done 5 deals in/out already. Better than most. In fact, we've spent (gross) joint 3rd on players with Untied his year.

And it's spartan everywhere

We've spent only 1 million Euro less than Anzi, who plunked most of their cash on Lacina Traore. Rondon is the 4th most expensive signing in Russia this summer. He was only 10

Jordi Alba has basically been the only purchase in Spain all year. The money he generated have made Valencia spend a league leading 17 millon euro. After those two, no team has spent more than 6 and Real is in last.

Bayern brought in Shiqiri so early we forget about him, but he's still their most expensive signing, I think. Gladbach has been the big spender in Germany. Read that again and wonder when we time-warped back to 77.

Italy has been more busy than we realize, but it's all small deals. Paulo Dybala is the most expensive player so far at just 12 million euro. Or 3X more than AC Milan have spent the entire summer

And France are the big spenders. But take out PSG and 60 million Euro between 19 teams has been spent TOTAL. Marvin the Martian is the big signing outside of Paris.

So this is the new reality. I think Levy realizes it. At least I hope he does.
 

Spursidol

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Not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, and its not strictly itk but....

Kane has been picked for the nextgen squad this season, they have fixtures on 22nd august and early Sept, so I guess that rules him out of our back up striker position...

Last season Kane played in the first game of Next gen Series, before Coulibally took over as main striker, whilst Kane played in Europa League and then on loan at Championship Millwall - the NextGen games were too junior for him to aid his development.

The NexttGen squad just announced consists of all 28 under 19 eligible players that Spurs have on their books in the Professionals, Academy Year 3 and Academy Year 2 playing groups. Take it as a mark of his development that Kane, whilst still qualifying as an under 19 player is on the fringes of the first team squad. That is why Kane has been playing as part of the first team pre-sesason matches and not Spurs X1 matches.

The most likely strikers for u 19 NextGen Series teams are Souleymane Coulibally (when not playing foir under 21's) and Shaquille Coulthirst - I am betting on the latter.

If anyone wants to look at the NextGen squad, I posted it here the other day http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/next-gen-series-under-19s.89103/

This coming season Kane will either be in the first team squad (possibly mainly playing Europa League and Premiership subs bench) or maybe on loan to a lower Premiership side.
 

Living Legend Colm G

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Upgrading Benny with a loan player is not a priority for us though, in fact it's the least of our worries. Goals win games!

I'm not interested in a loan. I would take Coentrao + cash for Modric over Sahin as we can then spend the money on Moutinho & have a world class left back.
 

Spursidol

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Can we read anything into this story on Inter Milan ? http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3276...294933/official-zapata-joins-ac-milan-on-loan Key phrase is they have filled their non EU quota.

On the face of it, this removes them from bidding for Leandro - and also suggests they have given up bidding for Dzeko (think Bosnia is outside EU).

Despite Daily Mail, I cannot see Man City trying to buy another striker in Leandro when Ade and Dzeko are already on their disposal lists.

So who else is in the running to buy Leandro, Ade or Dzeko - anyone know ?
 

Spursidol

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I'm not interested in a loan. I would take Coentrao + cash for Modric over Sahin as we can then spend the money on Moutinho & have a world class left back.

Why ? We need the Modric cash to help buy a STRIKER or two.

Remember the bit of the squad which is nost in need of reinforcements ?
 

tobi

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I find it hard to believe that Real would loan out Coentrao, he rotates with Marcelo at LB and progressively got better last season.

Mourinho loves two players per (most) position and loaning out Coentrao would force him to get another LB - doesn't make sense.
 
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