The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 8th July 2017

[yanno]

Re trading is when you agree a deal and then try to change the terms after agreeing, re-doing the trade.

Aka lying.

 

[dirtyh]

No wonder we score so many. I'd expect a full on cage match each time we got a penalty.

 

[hutchiniho]

Two ITK agreeing on the Levy retrading and his status/credibility on the circuit. He obviously feels the tweaking of deals at the last minute is beneficial to the club but I hope it's not to our long term detriment in terms of missing out on players that will get us a Trophy at point now or through clubs not wanting to deal with us in the furlture.

Also 20k a goal seems like a crazy amount of money to us but in the world of mega rich clubs I don't think this is.
Say Kane went to City or Utd, God forbid, he'd double his weekly to be on 200K a week base salary. So in just six weeks he'd Net the 30 x 20k from a incredible 30 goal season here. Lovely to have but just to point out that even a bucket load of incentive bonuses do not equal those mega basic salaries.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Aka lying.

It’s not lying, it happens all the time and it can be for a multitude of reasons. Most are based on simply running the numbers again.

With the football community being irrational babies, I can see how they would feel slighted or aggrieved but it’s just business.

Levy should have learned by now that he should only try this stuff with MBA’s.

 

[Lilbaz]

Two ITK agreeing on the Levy retrading and his status/credibility on the circuit. He obviously feels the tweaking of deals at the last minute is beneficial to the club but I hope it's not to our long term detriment in terms of missing out on players that will get us a Trophy at point now or through clubs not wanting to deal with us in the furlture.

Also 20k a goal seems like a crazy amount of money to us but in the world of mega rich clubs I don't think this is.
Say Kane went to City or Utd, God forbid, he'd double his weekly to be on 200K a week base salary. So in just six weeks he'd Net the 30 x 20k from a incredible 30 goal season here. Lovely to have but just to point out that even a bucket load of incentive bonuses do not equal those mega basic salaries.

Add in apearance fee and cl bonus. He's not poorly paid.
Yes he could earn more at the mega clubs but he is still paid a decent wedge.

 

[yanno]

It’s not lying, it happens all the time and it can be for a multitude of reasons. Most are based on simply running the numbers again.

With the football community being irrational babies, I can see how they would feel slighted or aggrieved but it’s just business.

Levy should have learned by now that he should only try this stuff with MBA’s.

The interpretation given of re trading is "when you agree a deal and then try to change the terms after agreeing, re-doing the trade."

Call me old fashioned, but if you've agreed a deal and shaken hands, then that's it.

Both parties in any contractual arrangement need to know that ultimately the other party is acting in good faith, and will not say "Yes" and then go back on their word and attempt to change the terms.

The fact that footbal is full of scumbag parasites like Raiola is obscene but a separate issue.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...-spurs-transfers.113824/page-112#post-5511316

 

[tiger666]

We've a source to look after and this shit about agenda is not only completely wrong but it's verging on ITK abuse, I know i wouldn't like to come on here and read people slagging your intentions off just because they don't like what they hear.

With all due respect, you say this then "winner" @Hercules slagging off Dragon1. I'm confused.

 

[james Stock]

What a crock. Levys degree is related to property and business development, he has overseen the new training ground, the new stadium, the appointment of Poch, and Champions League on 3 occasions.

Furthrmore we have done it on a shoestring compared to our rivals, who are lining up to buy our players. No wonder other fans laugh at us. Ingrates galore!

 

[Matthew]

Good to see the itk starting to flow now. Hopefully things are going to start happening. Also just seen on my Timehop we signed Toby two years ago today and Jan 5 years today. So I'm gonna see that as a sign today will be a good day lol.

gareth bale come on down!

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

With all due respect, you say this then "winner" @Hercules slagging off Dragon1. I'm confused.

He said 'out of order' and it was. Hardly slagging. Just goes to show how massively differently people can see things I suppose.

 

[Hoopspur]

£20k goal bonus isn't the end of the world even if we score 100 goals a season. The thing that's more concerning is that this system could lead to greed in front of goal?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

£20k goal bonus isn't the end of the world even if we score 100 goals a season. The thing that's more concerning is that this system could lead to greed in front of goal?

You'd have seen it by now wouldn't you?

 

[thebenjamin]

Every striker everywhere has a goal bonus. It's completely standard.

 

[tiger666]

£20k goal bonus isn't the end of the world even if we score 100 goals a season. The thing that's more concerning is that this system could lead to greed in front of goal?

I think you'll find an awful lot of premier league players have goal bonuses, clean sheet bonuses etc.

 

[Steffen]

£20k goal bonus isn't the end of the world even if we score 100 goals a season. The thing that's more concerning is that this system could lead to greed in front of goal?

I doubt money is what is on a players mind when he is trying to create a goal.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

@yanno How do you think Levy has managed to build a stadium ( almost!) , a training ground, a global network of commercial and financial relationships and a group of football people ( coaches and players) that bears comparison with anything in the country if he's in the habit of lying and reneging on deals?

I think it's more probable ( and I have reason to suspect this, having dealt with him personally) that he negotiates hard and assumes that the people he's negotiating with understand the rules of business and commerce. In my experience, a lot of people in football do not understand the basic rules. They get away with a lot of shit and don't like failing to get their own way. They look for excuses and ways to blame other people when they don't get what they want.

Levy's fault, in my opinion and from experience, is that he can become pedantic and refuse to budge on a small detail of principle or price difference that could clinch a deal. It can be infuriating but I do not believe the convenient meme that says he reneges on deals. His reputation among business people is too important to him to risk in this way. I suspect it's the easy way out for those who can't deal with him.

 

[Teddy Klinsmann]

20k a goal! I wonder who that is...obviously not Sissoko.

If he was on 20k for a successful pass he still wouldn't have made a penny last season!

 

[yanno]

@yanno How do you think Levy has managed to build a stadium ( almost!) , a training ground, a global network of commercial and financial relationships and a group of football people ( coaches and players) that bears comparison with anything in the country if he's in the habit of lying and reneging on deals?

I think it's more probable ( and I have reason to suspect this, having dealt with him personally) that he negotiates hard and assumes that the people he's negotiating with understand the rules of business and commerce. In my experience, a lot of people in football do not understand the basic rules. They get away with a lot of shit and don't like being not getting their way. They look for excuses and ways to blame other people when they don't get what they want.

Levy's fault, in my opinion and from experience, is that he can become pedantic and refuse to budge on a small detail of principle or price difference that could clinch a deal. I do not believe the convenient meme that says he reneges on deals. His reputation among business people is too important to him to risk in this way. I suspect it's the easy way out for those who can't deal with him.

@Led's Zeppelin The ITK from dragon1 sez:

Only element of truth is that levy is beyond a nightmare to deal with on transfers with other clubs certain chairman will not deal with him and certain interested parties in club will not deal with him either they go over him

Levy is not shy to do a re trade ,he did it in fact a year before buying the club to sugar who told him to go f**k himself and it took him a year before sugar would deal with him again ,

So dragon1 explicitly states that potential buyers (presumably of the club) will not deal with Levy, the implication being that they go over his head to Lewis.

It even gives the example of Sugar, who styles himself as a Business Maestro, refusing to deal with Levy for a year.

So the ITK says that Levy will seek to change the terms of a deal after both parties have agreed it (something apparently called "re trading") and that this has had real consequences with certain chairmen refusing to deal wtih him.

 

[DCSPUR]

anything going on in here today?

 

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Lol, this isn't correct obviously as the guys not likely to get info about Spurs anymore, but when I read the ITK that's exactly how it sounded. Bitter and with a very very obvious agenda.

But if you assert that any ITK criticising Levy can be dismissed as simply someone with an axe to grind, isn't it just as conceivable that any pro-Levy information is spun by someone employed by his PR team? Or is that too much of a leap of faith for you? And now we're playing a dangerous game: we're actively looking to discredit an ITK if he/she doesn't provide the information we want to hear. Question the validity of the information by all means. Take it all with a pinch of salt! But questioning the credibility of the person who provides that information - in good faith - just isn't cool. When I first read Grey Fox's ITK about Bale, I must admit that info didn't add up to me; I questioned the validity of the Nike deal, because as many posters have pointed out, Bale is contracted to Adidas. But that doesn't suddenly mean that Grey Fox can't be trusted; that he's somekind of pro-Levy plant! That's just ridiculous! He's clearly past on his information in good faith, and if he had been attacked in the way the Goat had been, would it be any surprise if he said, "fuck it, I won't bother in future". And then we all miss out.