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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 9th June 2016

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Ossie85

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Bats is too 1 dimensional for us IMO.

He's a head-down speed merchant. I think he's about as suitable for us as Vardy is for Arsenal. Plus we've already got Njie for 'that option from the bench'

Janssen is a much more complete player - back to goal, link up play, all that that a lone forward really needs.

You clearly haven't seen him play. He's even more complete than Kane. He was the player with the most assists at Marseille. He had the better goal ratio of a sub the previous season where he played for Bielsa doing the high pressing we do in our team.
If there's one that suits us perfectly is Batshuayi
 

spurslenny

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Whoever we end up with, I'm fairly confident it will be the correct choice.

Poch has a pretty good hit rate with his transfers for us (N'Jie hasnt really had a decent enough run of games to draw a conclusion as yet IMO) and that points towards a good working partnership between Levy and MP.
 
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SpartanSpur

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Incidentally, is Batshuayi even that fast? He doesn't look slow but not seen much real pace in his youtubes...

Embolo looks ideal :(

Embolo is the one for me too, although I guess the other 2 are more established in the ST role. I think he'll end up being the best forward out of the three to be honest, but I'm almost certain that won't be here :(.
 

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I do agree with that. The fact that strikers of a similar profile were successful over here also were countrymen made it easy for me to group them together in such away, as was grouping unsuccessful striking imports from the Eredivisie.

I am not saying any striker of similar ethic origin is a guaranteed success on that basis alone. That should be obvious quite frankly.

The crux of my points were:-
A) I think Batshuayi's attributes make him more likely to succeed.
B) We should be wary of Eredivisie goalscoring records as they do not translate well.

Think a bigger point than the two you list are that Batshuayi has been playing at a senior level for about 4 seasons now with Standard Liege and OM, whereas Janssen has really only one season at AZ.

So the 'risk' is that Janssen is more 'raw' and may also take longer to become a top PL forward than Batshuayi.

However just as we saw with Harry Kane (who too many were saying 'one season wonder' at the end of his first Spurs season and start of 2nd when he wasn't scoring) Jannsen's relative inexperience may count for nought and he could be a lethal striker for us pretty much from the off, just as Batshuayi might.
 

yido_number1

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Think a bigger point than the two you list are that Batshuayi has been playing at a senior level for about 4 seasons now with Standard Liege and OM, whereas Janssen has really only one season at AZ.

So the 'risk' is that Janssen is more 'raw' and may also take longer to become a top PL forward than Batshuayi.

However just as we saw with Harry Kane (who too many were saying 'one season wonder' at the end of his first Spurs season and start of 2nd when he wasn't scoring) Jannsen's relative inexperience may count for nought and he could be a lethal striker for us pretty much from the off, just as Batshuayi might.

So many times we see players like this that start off at our level. we pass on them and then they go on to be top class players. Can remember Aubameyang, Isco and Suarez as recent examples. Hope we don't miss the boat here.

Edited (Been watching to much Flash, Cisco Ramone the latest Real Madrid wonder kid.)
 
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SpartanSpur

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Think a bigger point than the two you list are that Batshuayi has been playing at a senior level for about 4 seasons now with Standard Liege and OM, whereas Janssen has really only one season at AZ.

So the 'risk' is that Janssen is more 'raw' and may also take longer to become a top PL forward than Batshuayi.

However just as we saw with Harry Kane (who too many were saying 'one season wonder' at the end of his first Spurs season and start of 2nd when he wasn't scoring) Jannsen's relative inexperience may count for nought and he could be a lethal striker for us pretty much from the off, just as Batshuayi might.

I agree and wouldn't be too disappointed with Janssen instead of Bats. I agree the relative inexperience also adds to the risk.

A big thing I have with Janssen is that he is so alike to Harry that even if he's success he's more than likely going to be a fantastic insurance policy should Kane get injured, suspended or leave. I think Bats is more capable of being a good plan B whether from the start or the bench (and has a superb goalscoring record as a sub to boot), so if he is a success I think he has more upside to the squad as a whole.

Now maybe Janssen could still be decent off the bench due to his poaching and clinical finishing, or even as a 9 occupying defenders and attacking the 6 yard box with Kane dropping deeper.

Both potentially very good signings, but different IMO, which is why I was fully in the 'buy them both camp'. If I had to take one right now it'd be Bats however for the reasons above.
 

SpartanSpur

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So many times we see players like this that start off at our level. we pass on them and then they go on to be top class players. Can remember Aubameyang, Cisco and Suarez as recent examples. Hope we don't miss the boat here.

This applies to Batshuayi, Embolo and Janssen to be fair.
 

Nigel Spinal

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I agree and wouldn't be too disappointed with Janssen instead of Bats. I agree the relative inexperience also adds to the risk.

A big thing I have with Janssen is that he is so alike to Harry that even if he's success he's more than likely going to be a fantastic insurance policy should Kane get injured, suspended or leave. I think Bats is more capable of being a good plan B whether from the start or the bench (and has a superb goalscoring record as a sub to boot), so if he is a success I think he has more upside to the squad as a whole.

Now maybe Janssen could still be decent off the bench due to his poaching and clinical finishing, or even as a 9 occupying defenders and attacking the 6 yard box with Kane dropping deeper.

Both potentially very good signings, but different IMO, which is why I was fully in the 'buy them both camp'. If I had to take one right now it'd be Bats however for the reasons above.

The ego of the established player rocking the boat in the dressing room when he's not starting is the bigger risk.

Son and Njie are plan B
 

SpartanSpur

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The ego of the established player rocking the boat in the dressing room when he's not starting is the bigger risk.

Son and Njie are plan B

We are talking about Batshuayi not Zlatan here! I doubt he's that big of an ego, he only really established himself as a regular starter for Marseille last season.

Also with a plan B like that, it's lucky our plan A is so good! Although I do hope both improve next year.
 

Ossie85

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So many times we see players like this that start off at our level. we pass on them and then they go on to be top class players. Can remember Aubameyang, Cisco and Suarez as recent examples. Hope we don't miss the boat here.

Who's Cisco?

Suarez had several seasons under his belt with a lot of goals at Groningen and Ajax.
Aubameyang the same in France.

I think whay you are saying applies more to Bats than to Janssen
 

Spurs 1961

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So many times we see players like this that start off at our level. we pass on them and then they go on to be top class players. Can remember Aubameyang, Cisco and Suarez as recent examples. Hope we don't miss the boat here.
Is that the Cisco Kid? Personally always thought The Lone Ranger was more exciting
 
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