The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 9th June 2016

[Scott Spur]

The ITK we had suggested MB visited us and agreed terms in March.....so either he changed his mind or we screwed up the fee negotiations with Marseille and he moved on.

As for the cash side of things, we should know by now that wages are the big outlay not transfer fees.......if that was sorted then the new TV money should of been more than adequate for the fee.

Guys the new TV deal makes the £33M fee look like chicken feed compared to last year. I worry that even with all the extra cash Levy is still working on transfer fee estimates from the 80's.

 

[Japhet]

Feels like we've had our dinner money nicked again and if Levy had any hair Abramovich would surely have ruffled it up at the same time.

 

[guy]

The ITK we had suggested MB visited us and agreed terms in March.....so either he changed his mind or we screwed up the fee negotiations with Marseille and he moved on.

As for the cash side of things, we should know by now that wages are the big outlay not transfer fees.......if that was sorted then the new TV money should of been more than adequate for the fee.

Guys the new TV deal makes the £33M fee look like chicken feed compared to last year. I worry that even with all the extra cash Levy is still working on transfer fee estimates from the 80's.

33mill is not and never will be chicken feed for spurs, we don't have a bottomless pit of dirty money to call upon.

The club is run properly, money matters as like in any type of successful business.

 

[KingKay]

Levy is our OVERLORD

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Levy is our OVERLORD

Shhhhhhh you

 

[nailsy]

The ITK we had suggested MB visited us and agreed terms in March.....so either he changed his mind or we screwed up the fee negotiations with Marseille and he moved on.

As for the cash side of things, we should know by now that wages are the big outlay not transfer fees.......if that was sorted then the new TV money should of been more than adequate for the fee.

Guys the new TV deal makes the £33M fee look like chicken feed compared to last year. I worry that even with all the extra cash Levy is still working on transfer fee estimates from the 80's.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by this. If he was on £75K a week on a five year deal then it would cost £3.9M per year or £19.5M over the term which is below the £30M transfer fee that was mentioned before. We'd also offset the overall impact to our wages by selling a current member of the squad.

 

[Curtis Peterson]

If we go for the less expensive, obvious back up/rotation option route, then I would be happy. It sounds like Poch is open to switching formations or using different ones, but I like the way that we're set up and we have a lot of talent in the midfield and I'm not so sure about taking one of those spots for another striker. Batshuayi would have been a nice addition, but he is sooooo expensive.

 

[R_1001001]

I have no idea what I know. I do only know what I don't know. You know?

Crazy people don't know they are crazy. I know I'm crazy, therefore I am not crazy ... Isn't that crazy!

 

[lol]

dont really care.i have faith in poch's coaching/man management. do we really want to risk breaking up locker room chemistry? team spirit is as, if not more important than quality. just look at leicester

 

[WalkerboyUK]

The ITK we had suggested MB visited us and agreed terms in March.....so either he changed his mind or we screwed up the fee negotiations with Marseille and he moved on.

As for the cash side of things, we should know by now that wages are the big outlay not transfer fees.......if that was sorted then the new TV money should of been more than adequate for the fee.

Guys the new TV deal makes the £33M fee look like chicken feed compared to last year. I worry that even with all the extra cash Levy is still working on transfer fee estimates from the 80's.

Marseille were determined to get as much money as possible for the player.
Either they deliberately stalled on the deal to see what impact he had at the Euros and if they could squeeze a few more Euros from the buying club, or the player's agent advised him to wait and see who else would move for him.
Unfortunately the downside to that from our side of things is that it means clubs with bigger budgets may sneak in and gazump us.
Yes, we may have agreed a wage figure with the player and his agent, but again, it means nothing until Marseille agree on the selling price. If another club comes in, offers £30k per week more than we had agreed, the player is going to be swayed in that direction - no different to you going for two jobs, agreeing one but then being offered the other on a higher wage.

Fact of the matter is, we had a valuation of the player, what he was worth per week and we no longer value him at the level other clubs do.
As I said on the Batshuayi thread - it wasn't just about paying him £100k+ per week to match Chelsea offer. It was about what impact that would have on 5 other players having "highest earner" clauses in their contracts. If they are on £70k per week, that's £150k per week increase on the whole team PLUS £100k for the player himself.
I'm not sure a £250k per week wage bill increase is worth it for a 4th choice international striker, whose goal scoring exploits come in a league where PSG win the title with 7/8 games to go.

 

[Gbspurs]

Surely we all know we aren't going to spunk that kind of cash so this should be no great surprise?

I suspect the fact that the likes of Soldado flopped whilst Dier and Alli have already more than quadrupled their cost will have reaffirmed Daniels love for a bargain.

I'm happy with the way we do business. No point changing your whole business model because of a possibly temporary boost to income.

We are lucky that we seem to have a squad and manager who is on board with this and a youth set up with a number of players who could go on to be brilliant and just need the chance. Let's face it, if Mourinho was Utd manager last season then they wouldn't have discovered what Rashford can do for them.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Surely we all know we aren't going to spunk that kind of cash so this should be no great surprise?

I suspect the fact that the likes of Soldado flopped whilst Dier and Alli have already more than quadrupled their cost will have reaffirmed Daniels love for a bargain.

I'm happy with the way we do business. No point changing your whole business model because of a possibly temporary boost to income.

We are lucky that we seem to have a squad and manager who is on board with this and a youth set up with a number of players who could go on to be brilliant and just need the chance. Let's face it, if Mourinho was Utd manager last season then they wouldn't have discovered what Rashford can do for them.

1. bargains flop, and we've had a LOT flop. (they are bargains most of the time because of quality)
2. not sure what you mean by the manager being on board with this when it was the manager who wanted Michy?

 

[garryparkerschest]

Surely we all know we aren't going to spunk that kind of cash so this should be no great surprise?

I suspect the fact that the likes of Soldado flopped whilst Dier and Alli have already more than quadrupled their cost will have reaffirmed Daniels love for a bargain.

I'm happy with the way we do business. No point changing your whole business model because of a possibly temporary boost to income.

We are lucky that we seem to have a squad and manager who is on board with this and a youth set up with a number of players who could go on to be brilliant and just need the chance. Let's face it, if Mourinho was Utd manager last season then they wouldn't have discovered what Rashford can do for them.

I'm not as disappointed as I thought I'd be after thinking about it logically.

Totally agree with the stance the club is taking. It's not like he would walk into the first team and be our number one , like Willian or even Hazard would have. He was being brought as back up to Kane, who is proven in our league and you just don't spend that much money on a back up.

We really do need a back up striker though, I would love us to have Vincent Janson in our ranks. He meets the profile that our club targets.

 

[Mattspurs1982]

Seems weird that a guy who's supposedly worth £33m has only played 30 mins at the euros for Belgium in a game where they had wrapped up the result (and he even appears to be behind Benteke who I think appeared before him). He also seems to be behind Origi and Mertens who appeared before him when they were chasing a game. £33m?? Hmmmm....

 

[Nigel Spinal]

1. bargains flop, and we've had a LOT flop. (they are bargains most of the time because of quality)
2. not sure what you mean by the manager being on board with this when it was the manager who wanted Michy?

Maybe when Poch heard him being all bill big bollocks (like JJ suggests) he dropped his interest as quickly as he did with Berahino after he demonstrated his mental weakness?

Being hungry and malleable seem the two most important attributes for Poch. When a player starts displaying an individualist ego, its not going to work

 

[tiger666]

1. bargains flop,

Ridiculous statement. Dier and Alli were bargains. Andy Carroll cost Liverpool a fortune so he must have been great ..

 

[TH1239]

It's amazing to see how everyone on this thread now thinks Batshuayi isn't remotely good enough for us and is so concerned about the financial outlay. We spent 33 million pounds on Njie and Son, neither of whom was a guaranteed starter last summer, and NO ONE here harped on and on about what a massive financial risk it was signing these guys and giving them multi-year contracts. Even after both of them had disappointing first seasons, there is little talk about what poor value they were for the money spent and instead everyone is stressing patience and certain they'll come good, even though neither one will likely be more than a cup rotation player in the coming season if all are healthy.

The simple fact of the matter is that Batshuayi fit a very specific need for us (go back many months here and see the numerous posts I've made about him, for those of you who are adamant that very few here even have seen him play). One of the best goal scorers from the bench in Europe (9 in 20 the last two seasons for Marseille), has played for the manager who more or less created Pochettino's high pressing, vertical passing footballing system, knows 4 key members of our squad, has the ability to play as a wing forward if needed, and has the pace and power to get in behind defenders and hold the ball up as a lone striker. If it was possible to have signed Batshuayi earlier in June for the mooted 28 million pounds, then I believe we should have done so.

The other two options don't share those aforementioned positive characteristics. Sanabria scored 8 of his 11 goals last season in 3 games. The bottom teams in La Liga play openly and playing somewhere like Asturias carries with it very little pressure to perform. The move to England for him would be a massive culture shock (if you want a striker from Spain, we'd be better off going for Borja Baston). Janssen had a great season in the Eredevisie and could be a decent buy if he got lots of game time, but I worry he will struggle to make an impact as a substitute in this league where they don't give you anywhere near the space as they do in Holland. He also isn't particularly pacey, can't play as a wing forward, and there will be an adjustment moving to a new country with teammates he doesn't know.

Ultimately, the proof will come during the season. I had high hopes that we'd also sign a high level attacking midfielder like Boufal on top of a Batshuayi, but given how reticent we are to pay any kind of major fee, I suspect that's out the door entirely (I predict we'll sign Yunus Malli if we sign a third player this summer, as he is very cheap in the current mark with a 7 million pound release clause and very low wages).

 

[PhezTHFC]

Seems weird that a guy who's supposedly worth £33m has only played 30 mins at the euros for Belgium in a game where they had wrapped up the result (and he even appears to be behind Benteke who I think appeared before him). He also seems to be behind Origi and Mertens who appeared before him when they were chasing a game. £33m?? Hmmmm....

Wilmotts is also not a very good manager of a game. Appears to pick favourites but your point is also true if he was a stand out player surely he would have been picked ahead. I think it's a bit of both as he is still very raw

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Ridiculous statement. Dier and Alli were bargains. Andy Carroll cost Liverpool a fortune so he must have been great ..

ridiculous statement? you can't make a statement saying that players who cost 30m + flop therefore we shouldn't buy them when we all know we have signed players for 15 and less who have flopped. I'm just stating the slippery slope

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Wilmotts is also not a very good manager of a game. Appears to pick favourites but your point is also true if he was a stand out player surely he would have been picked ahead. I think it's a bit of both as he is still very raw

Additionally, the point about national team squads is such a cherry picking argument. Plenty of posters state that they prefer Wimmer to Vertonghen, the former struggling with breaking into Austria's team, the latter being a hands down starter in a highly competitive Belgian team. Which is it, do we believe in our own judgement more than national coaches, or do we decide on our opinions based on the decisions of national coaches?