The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 9th June

[Archibald&Crooks]

Here's a brand new thread for you to discuss today's ITK

If you're thinking of posting media stories, chatting about formations or anything else that enters the vacuum between your ears that isn't precisely ITK related, don't do it. It's not a good idea, this thread isn't for that and it's likely you'll find yourself out of here.

 

[Lighty64]

Morning and hope we get some news today, though hard to beat the great news of Kane signing that new contract

 

[Gollorius]

Haven’t logged in for a few days, are the recent (unrelated) cryptics still unsolved?

 

[Parkie]

Haven’t logged in for a few days, are the recent (unrelated) cryptics still unsolved?

Well, we have sorted contracts for a keeper * (1) and striker (10) ...

*OK, not the number 1 keeper but, you know, it sort of fits!

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Haven’t logged in for a few days, are the recent (unrelated) cryptics still unsolved?

Still unsolved. But that could change over the next few days.

So guesses as to recent happenings that it 'could' apply to can stop. If anything happened that it was applicable to we'd have said wouldn't we.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Still unsolved. But that could change over the next few days.

So guesses as to recent happenings that it 'could' apply to can stop. If anything happened that it was applicable to we'd have said wouldn't we.

Thanks for fully confirming. The strong Grealish links coming so soon after made me think that was possibly one of the solutions. Having some under the radar stuff still is interesting.

 

[eddiev14]

For the next cryptic can I suggest using a GIF that’s related to the transfer.

The millennials will love it.

 

[aussiespursguy]

@carrick56 balls of steel my friend. Spamming A&C opening post!

 

[codspur]

@carrick56 balls of steel my friend. Spamming A&C opening post!

Was just thinking could be the shortest stay in this thread ever (actually wondered if it was Mrs A&C’s user name)

 

[Rob]

For the next cryptic can I suggest using a GIF that’s related to the transfer.

The millennials will love it.

I have the Emoji cryptic all lined up

 

[tierhause]

I have the Emoji cryptic all lined up

Does it involve aubergines? I'm told the kids today love aubergines.

 

[dk-yid]

I have the Emoji cryptic all lined up

 

[eddiev14]

I have the Emoji cryptic all lined up

Haha!

Be careful though. I still remember A&C’s “smileys? Fucking smileys?!” rant from a few windows ago!

 

[freeeki]

Oh I assumed the one in ten cryptic was Grealish tbh, is that not actually confirmed?

 

[RJR1949]

There’s a staggeringly good piece of ITK by Trix in the Grealish thread. Not giving names like most ITK but giving a real insider’s view of how transfer deals happen and in particular why they happen late in the window. Highly recommended.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

There’s a staggeringly good piece of ITK by Trix in the Grealish thread. Not giving names like most ITK but giving a real insider’s view of how transfer deals happen and in particular why they happen late in the window. Highly recommended.

It’s very insightful. Hopefully should silence some of the seismic, shrieking meltdowns that threaten to erupt here every window

 

[NinjaTuna]

There’s a staggeringly good piece of ITK by Trix in the Grealish thread. Not giving names like most ITK but giving a real insider’s view of how transfer deals happen and in particular why they happen late in the window. Highly recommended.

Can someone please share it in here as I'm about 30 pages behind on that thread and don't want to trawl through it

 

[tiger666]

Can someone please share it in here as I'm about 30 pages behind on that thread and don't want to trawl through it

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/jack-grealish.132973/post-5911092

That takes you straight to it.

 

[RJR1949]

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/jack-grealish.132973/post-5911092

It’s page 55 of the Grealish thread.

It’s long and I’m too scared of A&C to copy to here.

 

[parj]

I'm sure he does. Heck in fact I'm sure all managers would want the same. Fact is though we have a limited budget and it's not as simple as just "get them now". I have posted some of the issues in other posts but I will try and explain a bit one more time.

When I refer to "the players" that can mean the players themselves, the agents, their family members, and more often than not a combination of all three.

A club like ours will compile a shortlist of players that fit the need for the club. The players are no different. They will have their own list of clubs they would like to go to.....
boyhood clubs
playing time
great manager and/or players
CL football
location
financials
etc etc.

We make our interest known to the selling club and agent, and the absolute first thing they do is look to see if they can do better elsewhere(that's their job). This might take time, for numerous reasons....

A preferred club is interested but needs to sell first,
the club has an alternative they would prefer but strings the player along just in case
Difference of opinion on the transfer fee/wages between the buying club and selling club/agent
Or like now an upcoming world cup which could change the desire in their players.

We are not top of the food chain(but we are not far off) so when we are looking at squad players it's usually a pretty easy decision from the players/agents POV, but the selling club is still going to look at maximising the transfer fee by selling elsewhere first. If the player is set on joining us and the selling club can get more elsewhere this will drag it out. Then the agent might think the other team will pay more = more delays. Then there is the players family that needs persuading etc etc.

The fact is in the early part of the window we are trying to do stuff but there are hurdles everywhere. In the last 2-3 weeks of the window the players/agents/clubs pretty much know where they stand. Other clubs are needing income to do their deals, players/agents are getting edgy and prepared to take less, and most importantly the Elite clubs aren't likely to force the prices up with their interest.

It's simple really, if we want players that none of the other teams would want it's easy. If we want our top choices then all the above has to align first and that takes time to happen.

Of course it is possible to get these deals done early ala Liverpool , but the fact is they are overpaying(quite significantly), both is Agents fee's and signing on fee's to do so. I'm sure there will be numerous posters now saying "well we should do the same". Firstly Levy does not operate like that, and secondly we have a budget, a transfer kitty a war chest call it what you will, but with everything else going on regarding stadium and pay rises it does have it's limit.

If we go down the route of greasing the wheels a deal which should cost £40 mil now costs £46. That's not just £6mil off the transfer fee of the next player. Well it's only £6mill, nothing in the grand scheme of things right? Wrong because when we come to sign player 2 his agent won't do business until he gets his Brucie bonus either. If Poch wants/needs 3 players in by the time we get to player three we can't get close to affording him and we are left short.

Now all that said I'm sure the nay sayers will come diving in with "If we hadn't wasted money on blah blah blah we wouldn't be in this position" Well maybe that's true, but our approach has been to buy lots of middle of the road(financially speaking) players with potential knowing some will work and some won't. You can't list all the flops without all the successful players either. Added to that how many of the so called flops have we actually lost money on, because they may not have performed on the pitch, but if they haven't cost us financially then they aren't really a massive problem.


Poch is very aware of how things work. If he wants his top targets sometimes it comes at a cost as far as timeline is concerned.

All SC members should be forced to read and digitally sign they understand Trix post... Might reduce the amount of times we get a hissy fit from A&C