The Daily ITK Discussion Thread CHRISTMAS EDITION

[longtimespur]

I understand finance as I also run my own small hedge fund. Bottom line what I want you to grasp is beyond finance to.l a point. I think Karren BrDy summed it up best; 'The manager along with a team of people that includes agents etc, draw up a list of ideal and get-able players. It is no use being unrealistic and some/managers are. We then set out to secure the plYers with agreements in place for others if that falls through. We do our business early as best we can, as the longer the window and negotiations take is the less likely you are of signing the player. That is what we gone with Payet'. That is not her exact words but a summary of what she said. Both chairmen backed that up.

That is where I base my comments on. I cannot accept that we are so backwards (SB great example) we cannot get our business done. Summer was ok, I go with the manager on we have enough cover through Son and Clint. Son is no striker, and Clint out 2-3 months. We now do not have that luxury like we did close of summer window.

Not arguing with your points but do you not think MP wanted SB so much that we persisted until the very end of the window. Peace seemed to be the main problem as SB and Pulis appeared to be of the opinion there was an agreement in place for him to leave. IIRC

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Not arguing with your points but do you not think MP wanted SB so much that we persisted until the very end of the window. Peace seemed to be the main problem as SB and Pulis appeared to be of the opinion there was an agreement in place for him to leave. IIRC

Which makes me feel that we won't chase SB as intensively because Peace could easily have another hissy fit and block this move. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with someone else from the alleged short list, or if it is to be SB it'll happen early because I can't imagine Levy et al wanting more deadline day bollocks.

 

[Hoops]

Saha and Nelson: NEVER FORGET.

100% agree we need a striker but has to be the right one. One that fits the hard working flexible nature of the team. Someone who can sit on the bench and not rock the boat - wait for their moment and hit the ground running. We have to trust the manager he knows his training methods and the team dynamics better than most. He knows he needs someone they aren't fools but from a fans perspective in can be frustrating (I get that) but jan is also a difficult time to get the right guys in . It's crazy what a bit of good team spirit and confidence can do - really excited to see how these young players can develop. Coys.

Thats only half the story. Worst bit is we sold Corluka and Pav mid season. And then were fucked cos of injurys.

 

[Hercules]

Not arguing with your points but do you not think MP wanted SB so much that we persisted until the very end of the window. Peace seemed to be the main problem as SB and Pulis appeared to be of the opinion there was an agreement in place for him to leave. IIRC

I honestly believe with no facts, but listening to WBA's side that is was Daniel's fault.

 

[Hercules]

Which makes me feel that we won't chase SB as intensively because Peace could easily have another hissy fit and block this move. I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with someone else from the alleged short list, or if it is to be SB it'll happen early because I can't imagine Levy et al wanting more deadline day bollocks.

Couldn't agree more. If (which only they will know) SB cannot be fine early concentrate on the other targets, and get the business done early.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I can't imagine Levy et al wanting more deadline day bollocks.

eh? You are talking about Levy right? Levy and deadline day? The same Levy whose starsign dictates he can only get an erection on deadline day? The same guy who came a gnats cock away from having the day actually named after him?

There will be posturing and positioning, face saving moves, backscuttling at the highest level and inter conglomorate gloryhole action in exective slash houses across the land before this move happens. I also expect world class fingering in the back of a roller parked at the WBA training ground and possibly even a late falling out over reacharounds at away games.

All of that has to occur before we sign him, so it aint happening early.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

eh? You are talking about Levy right? Levy and deadline day? The same Levy whose starsign dictates he can only get an erection on deadline day? The same guy who came a gnats cock away from having the day actually named after him?

There will be posturing and positioning, face saving moves, backscuttling at the highest level and inter conglomorate gloryhole action in exective slash houses across the land before this move happens. I also expect world class fingering in the back of a roller parked at the WBA training ground and possibly even a late falling out over reacharounds at away games.

All of that has to occur before we sign him, so it aint happening early.

Filth. Absolute, glorious fuckbucket filth.

 

[Trix]

I honestly believe with no facts, but listening to WBA's side that is was Daniel's fault.

I suspect that's because that is what you want to believe. We were told if we matched their valuation he could leave, we did and then Peace blocked it. Everyone who was involved in the deal was surprised except of course Peace.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I suspect that's because that is what you want to believe. We were told if we matched their valuation he could leave, we did and then Peace blocked it. Everyone who was involved in the deal was surprised except of course Peace.

Which is what makes me think we'll look elsewhere- the man's a loon and can't be trusted.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Which is what makes me think we'll look elsewhere- the man's a loon and can't be trusted.

But didn't he see the bid was blah but in a zillion instalments which was totally unacceptable.

 

[longtimespur]

I suspect that's because that is what you want to believe. We were told if we matched their valuation he could leave, we did and then Peace blocked it. Everyone who was involved in the deal was surprised except of course Peace.

So I did remember correctly,
Thanks Trix

 

[cliff jones]

More reflection on the failure to sign competition for harry last window? Haha, surely not. Everybody else's fault but ours. Not many ceos can pull that one in 2015.

The fact that everyone knows how (much more) difficult January is to get vfm makes me even more disappointed that when the last window slammmed shut the only thing levy had in his hand was his cock.

How about a big fkin fat surprise, a new years day unveiling? we haven't been six points off the pace at the halfway mark since 85...

Audere est facere it says on my leg

 

[cliff jones]

I suspect that's because that is what you want to believe. We were told if we matched their valuation he could leave, we did and then Peace blocked it. Everyone who was involved in the deal was surprised except of course Peace.

irrespective of timing and payments schedule?

 

[mpickard2087]

As far as I know we aren't a 'cash rich' club with millions sat in the bank. We aren't going to be slapping £20m+ on the table up front when buying a player, nor do virtually any other club in the world operate in this way. Transfer fees are paid in instalments over x amount of years. It looks fairly obvious to me that the WBA chairman of course knows this, he wanted to keep the player and so set an impossible demand of when the fee was paid. To criticise the club in the payment schedule aspect is bonkers, in my opinion.

 

[Trix]

But didn't he see the bid was blah but in a zillion instalments which was totally unacceptable.

Because their bid for Fazio was all upfront and with no installments involved?(rhetorical)

When Levy said the nearly all deals are done in exactly this manor he was telling the truth, Peace was just being a dick leaking all this to the press like we were trying to pull a fast one or ripping them off.

 

[Hoops]

I honestly believe with no facts, but listening to WBA's side that is was Daniel's fault.

I would imagine we have players thrown at us every day by agents. Famous ones. If Stoke can sign Xaquiri and Bojan, then I bet we have big names that would love to sign for us if we would be prepared to pay the wages.

Thats not a moan, im happy the way things are going. But I bet there are many big name that would jump at the chance to come.

 

[cliff jones]

As far as I know we aren't a 'cash rich' club with millions sat in the bank. We aren't going to be slapping £20m+ on the table up front when buying a player, nor do virtually any other club in the world operate in this way. Transfer fees are paid in instalments over x amount of years. It looks fairly obvious to me that the WBA chairman of course knows this, he wanted to keep the player and so set an impossible demand of when the fee was paid. To criticise the club in the payment schedule aspect is bonkers, in my opinion.

easy to agree with you till the main point you conclude on. You have no evidence of what we offered and when we offered it. Something spun out of the clubs or agents will be loaded with self interest. The only thing that matters in the end is the result.

We didn't get anyone in and now face a very tricky January market where value is even harder to find, unless peace swallow his own cockwwhich i can't see happening, can you?

 

[Breezer]

Which is what makes me think we'll look elsewhere- the man's a loon and can't be trusted.

That's why you try early and have other targets in place. If the WBA chairman starts playing silly games, we move on and have time to sign another striker. The whole world knows of our interest in Berahino. So no need to sign him last min of transfer window.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Because their bid for Fazio was all upfront and with no installments involved?(rhetorical)

When Levy said the nearly all deals are done in exactly this manor he was telling the truth, Peace was just being a dick leaking all this to the press like we were trying to pull a fast one or ripping them off.

We were trying to offload a flop whereas we wanted their prized asset. Peace was vocally unhappy about the terms of the deal and it's not the 1st time we've heard about our deal structures being unacceptable to various clubs. Peace has every right to act like a 'dick' when at the end of the day SB is WBA most valued player.

 

[Hercules]

I suspect that's because that is what you want to believe. We were told if we matched their valuation he could leave, we did and then Peace blocked it. Everyone who was involved in the deal was surprised except of course Peace.

I don't believe that Trix. Something just does not make sense, like threat they said our installment plan was not to their liking. There is normally no smoke without fire, and whilst not getting on the chairman's back I cannot accept that even terms were not prior agreed, and according to Jeremy Peace, we agreed price but not terms.